Quote from: TheEHC52 on September 04, 2007, 04:38:32 PM
And it appears I was wrong.  I sent a quick email to one of my former professors and he informed me that the enrollment numbers are right at 940.  Apparently there has been quite some turnover in the upper classes and not as many freshman showed up as expected.  Overall, Emory had budgeted for over 350 new students and only got 270 frosh, plus about 40 transfers.  I guess the hype from the spring was just that.

a good friend of mine who still works on campus said that the number was just over 900, so it looks like this information is accurate. UVA Wise getting so many kids from the coalfields at a lower cost has really hurt enrollment. Imagine what numbers would be if Montgomery did not have 125 freshmen coming in for football each year 

my understanding is that the stadium improvements were part of the deal in getting Montgomery. The art center is more towards improving enrollments, but they would make much more headway if they had decent living facilities. Cockroaches won't stay in Hillman and Stuart!

according to the last Alumni Magazine, EHC plans to build a brick wall around the stadium with a ticket booth at one side and a field house on the other, with an expansion of the visitor seats and a field turf field, all named after Coach Fred Selfe. I love the idea (except for the field turf), but I am curious how they plan to pay for it with a dwindling enrollment base (word is, they are teetering below 900 students...1/8 of the campus are football players.)

It is nice to see the tribute to Coach Selfe. It was bogus that they did not change the name of the facility when he died, rather than just dropping a big rock near the field and putting his name on it.

As for EHC on the field, I am excitied for the potential of this season. I think the influx of Richlands kids from a big time winning program certainly helps. Ringstaff and Jennings look like they could really be good RB's for the program. Maybe they can convince Austin Fuller to de-commit from Va Tech and stay home 

Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on August 17, 2007, 09:06:52 AM

Quote from: SU97 on August 16, 2007, 09:53:39 PM[...] So what happened prior to 2001 that sparked the winning tradition and recruiting dominance that BC now enjoys?  It sure cannot be a "history of winning" prior to this century. [...]

But he would be the first to say that by 1999, even 1998, he had the "right" kids.  They were just young.  Also, if you look at the scores from the 1999 games, you'll see we were 13 points from being 8-2, and 5-1 in the conference.  But we lost those games because we were young.

And remember the whole reason I began this topic; winning is more important to a recruit than facilities.  It definitely wasn't our facilities that brought Jason Lutz, Davon Cruz, Matt Huffman, Lonnie Parker, and Ryan Bailey (all eventual All-Americans who played their first year in '98 or '99).

Mr. Barhart is correct. We were a blocked field goal away from losing to Bridgewater at home...I can't remember if it was when we (EHC went undefeated) or the next season, but the pieces for success were in place back then. They just needed to learn to play. They defintely were our most physical opponent in conference besides Catholic those last two seasons I was in school

I suppose it was Coach Clark who sold those players (and others) on his system and the potential of the program to be a winner.

I played during the same time down at EHC (1997-1999), here are some thoughts

CUA

RB Anthony Notarfranceso was an absolute load. 

E&H
RB: Oliver Jordan was an incredibly elusive runner for D3 football. His game when I was a sophomore vs Washington & Jefferson was something I will remember for the rest of my life. They just could not get a hand on him. Andy Stanley would have been something special if he had not torn up his knee, and in 98 he still finished 2nd in the conference on one good leg. Ernest Cheatham and the DRS could have probably started at RB for any team in the conference at that time except for Catholic.

QB: Aaron Brand was awful, single handedly costed us the ODAC title outright in 97. I loved playing with Tommy Crigger. Aaron Fuller at WR made both of them look good often.

OL: Mikey Hughes was terrific before he tore up his shoulder. Kevin Rogers was without parralell, and while he never got credit, I always considered Frank Hailey to be one of the best "thinking men" O linemen in the conference

DL: Jamie Harless was dominant... just ungodly. While Mike Kasnove, Chris Barbour, Earl Jefferson were all damn good players... Harless was above and beyond. Probably the best defensive player in the conference along with Chuck Davis.

LB: Loved Larry Arwood, but John Caramody was the best LB I played with. The guy looked nothing like a football player (tall, skinney), but he was terrific.

DB: I did not play with T Nelson, but Peedee Peterson was a special talent. Best DB in the conference IMO


Randolph Macon: The other elite program at the time. Like I said earlier, Chuck Davis was an absolute animal. Chappell was a great QB, and Michael Becker was awful tough on all those screens, but he was not a down field threat. Go back and look at the YPC. Tim Armoska was an animal. All hustle, all the time

Guilford: I can still hear the Junior Lord chants

Hampden Sydney was a non entity back then, and all I remember about W&L was the cowbells and them managing to let us back in the game in 98 when they had a 20-6 lead late in the 4th quarter. Batcheller was the most talented QB in the conference, but he had no weapons. Nice guy though.

Bridewater: They were really down when I started in the program, but Lutz gave us fits while they rebuilt the program. They had a DE that was tough, but I can't remember his name.

who was Todd Woods back up this year?

I am a little late, but congratulations to the Wasps on a terrific win. Coach Montgomery has finally established his system with the team, and they are winning the way EHC traditionally has won, by running the football, controlling the clock, and playing tough defense. When the present talent matures and he gets more into the pipeline, watch out!

I find it interesting that EHC Pride came on here to gloat, isn't he the same guy who was bashing Coach Montgomery for not throwing the ball enough? 

remember kids, throw for show, run for dough!

Congrats to Bridgewater as well. The difference in the quality of kids you put on the field is 100 times better than in my day. Better football players, and better people! Best of luck to you guys against W&L.

Quote from: Olinemom on September 05, 2006, 11:02:56 PM

Quote from: ehcfball on September 05, 2006, 09:43:37 PM
let me change the first sentence to "in the last 5 years we havent had the runningback"

You need a bunch more Nolan Jeffries in many positions, but that isn't likely to happen.  He's off coaching football back home.  Now that was a football player and a nice, nice young man too.  Of course I think he's special because he's from my home town!!!

I had the privilege of playing with Nolan for two years. Class guy. Where is he coaching at now?

Quote from: ehcfball on September 05, 2006, 02:34:55 PM

Now I never said Dewey was a genious if you will go back and look at it. I said Monty was a defensive genious. I just stated that when Dewey was in control of the offense we were doing great things. I know that he had his favorites, but we were putting up lots of points on the scoreboard. I cant say anything about Dewey in the 90's, but I had no problems with him when I played. I just cant see why Monty changed a primarily passing offense with a QB with tremendous confidence to a running style offense. As you stated, the offensive line pass blocked well but struggled to run block. If it were me, I would pass the ball more which would open up the run and make the draw a great play when the opposing team pulled men out of the box to coverage. This would also open the screen out of the backfield. But, I am not the coach.

But yes, I know that Monty has the team stronger than ever. The Wasps will work harder than ever and it will eventually pay off. And, Marshall Doss is one heck of a player. He has the attitude to do whatever he wants to on that field, if he can stay on that field. This means staying healthy and out of trouble.

why change the pass happy offense under Lusk?
EHC's record under Lusk from 2001-2004  was HOW MANY GAMES UNDER .500? EHC won 11 ODAC titles with a 75/35 run to pass ratio in all but seasons under Gary Collier in the 80's and Shannon Johnson in 2000.

If you will look back, every team that won the ODAC since 1994 either had an 1000 yard rusher or lead the conference in total rushing. Emory rolled out JD Davis, Oliver Jordan, Andy Stanley, David Schammel, Ernest Cheatem, ect ect. Catholic's first year in the league was able to win the title largely thanks to the efforts of Anthony Notarfrascatero (I am probably brutalizing his name, but he was a hell of a power back), and Bridgewater has been dominant behind a terrific mixture of great running backs and passing. Every "pretender to the throne" since the mid 90's (Randolph Macon back in my day, HSC over the last couple years) has been a predominantly pass oriented offense that failed them at big moments. EHC revirted to the pass happy system because they quit recruiting quality offensive and defensive linemen and tailbacks (thank you President Morris for cutting financial aid) and the pass offense was the only way they were able to remain competitive, but it destroyed the core ethic of the team, and Coach Montgomery was left to pick up the pieces.  All the traditional D3 powers function with offenses where the run sets up the pass, even at schools with great passing traditions like Mount Union. If EHC wants to return to greatness, they may not need to line up in the I and run  35 times a game, but they need to be able to run the ball in key situations.  The offensive line currently being better at pass blocking is not a justification for being more dependant on the passing game. Coach Wellenhoffer's job is to make those guys better RUN and PASS blockers. I think Josh is a good guy, but I (and several other ex players in the endzone) were shocked by how poor the line exhibited basic fundamentals like a proper stance, coming off the ball low, and drive blocking.

There is a reason you hear the phrase "throw for show, run for dough."

also, Marshall Doss is one heck of a football player. He was everywhere on Saturday, far and away the best Wasp on the field. Expect him to have a terrific season at MLB if he can stay healthy this year

Quote from: ehcfball on September 02, 2006, 03:12:04 PM

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Quote from: ehcfball on September 01, 2006, 11:17:53 PM
whats up guys...i am new to this...but as life long player and fan of the game I love opportunities to discuss the game with men such as yourselves.


I would like to say that EHC is my team, although they have been down the last couple of years under Coach Wacker and new coach Don Montgomery. The Wasps will sting the ODAC again.

I do have some questions that will probably be answered in tomorrows opener v. Marrietta.

1. Why does Montgomery play the same 5 linemen the entire game at Marrietta when they obviosly needed a rotation? Not to say that they were not good, but they were tired and the team needed something different against a defense with so much speed.

2. In game 2 at home I saw 3 different linemen, all of which stayed in the game the entire time. Why doesnt Monty get a rotation going for those guys?

3. Why in the world would he leave a lineman in the game when he is getting killed when he had guys that had started in previous games sitting on the bench. He had a decent starting 5 for Marrietta, then throughout the season all of the 1st 5 were benched. He had one guy in there, that couldnt have weighed 200lbs soakin wet, gettin creamed by a huge defensive lineman when he has a couple 300 pounders that can play sittin the bench. I dont understand his offensive line scheme.

But, tomorrow will tell the tale. Will Monty have a big strong line or one that looks like a couple of giants with midget friends?

I suspect Coach Monty has his reasons.  I don't doubt any move he makes, his record as a DC speaks for itself.  Most likely had depth issues and questions last year with players who did not "get it" yet, but this is just speculation.  Year 2 should be better with more of Monty's Recruits and another year of his conditioning under their belts.  The man was way ahead of his time as a strenght and conditioning coach at Mount Union.

Yeah I know what you mean. I know Coach Montgomery and have played for him. I know his defensive mind is rivaled by none. But, I do question his offense. When Dewey was Offensive Coordinator the offense was in the national top 10 in total offense, but the deffense was probably in the last 10. Montgomery is a defensive genious but a rookie on the offensive side. He played as an offensive lineman and a small one he was. I know that he was a great player in his day and that he understands the offense. I just dont think you should fix something that isnt broken. But i believe in due time he will take the wasps back to the top. I just hate it when people say that things will get better when he gets his people in there. Well what about the guys that are there now. They can win games in the ODAC.

Dewey Lusk an offensive genius? Are you kidding me? I played under Lusk for 4 years, and while he was many things, offensive genius is far from it. Come on, this is the same guy who lined up Nathan Tuck against Fish (an All American DB from Davidson, can't remember the 1st name) and kept forcing Tuck the ball... no motion, nothing to keep him away from Fish one on one. It was the most stupid, pigheaded waste of a talented offensive player I ever saw. Lusk constantly elevated players who were "his boys" or Gamms and buried guys who were much better players. Remember, under this clown Todd Mounts sat the bench while WES ROBBINS, yes, WES ROBBINS started for a year. The same guy kept Richie Rodes, who any DB that played for EHC in the late 90's that Richie was one of the toughest guys to cover on the team, and yet we saw no hands Henri Fitzgerald start over him for 2 years. Lusk not being part of the program is the BEST CHANGE that came with Coach Montgomery coming to EHC.

as for EHC on Saturday.  Defensively they look much better in the front seven. Their scheme generated pressure, and they looked physically stronger at the point of attack. The lack of true athletes still plagues them, especially at defensive end and secondary. Their secondary can't cover man to man, and with the Marietta QB scrambling, they just did not have much of a chance. The entire team looks physically stronger, so it seems like Coach Montogomery's weight program did work. They exhibited much more heart than I saw at any point last year.

Offensively, it was good to see the new wide receivers contribute. Stewart and Jackson did not seem to do much, but other kids stepped up. Woods still is not any kind of a threat on the run, and appears heavier than last year. He was a little shakey early on and got better. The line pass blocked well, but struggled again in the run blocking. Their stances were just awful looking...like a midget league team. #64 at center looked decent, but the right side of the line was brutal throughout. If #74 is their best option at RT, they are in a world of trouble. His navel ate grass all day while "attempting" to run block, but I don't think he touched a soul. Gillespe looked great on his touchdown run, but he really struggled the rest of the day and did not seem aggressive attacking the holes that were there. Caleb Moore ran harder, but did not break any big runs.

I see improvement, but with Adam Dowe in the house, it just reminded me of how far removed this team is from the 87-2000 glory days.

EHC has won 3 D3 Playoff games (3-5 record in the D3 Playoffs overall)

Quote from: casper on August 26, 2006, 03:30:24 PM
Emory "won" 17-0.  Going on second hand info.  D was great all day and may be returning to the prominence we used to enjoy defensively.  Our backs ran hard and got up field.  All comments seem positive.

Very, very early but that's encouraging.

who is going to be the primary back for the Wasps this year? I am going to be back home visiting family so I will catch the home opener against Marietta, and I would love to find out what to expect. I don't think I can handle watching them getting smoked like last years opener.

however, some SWVA kids who were locks to go to EHC no go to UVA-Wise... the $20K per tution doesn't help either.

So far I have been able to find 2 kids from Pulaski County...a good program, and the kids who played the the VHSL game.

does anyone have info on EHC's recruiting class for this year. I know they got a WR from Rural Retreat who is supposed to be very good, and an offensive lineman from Haysi named Josh Haynes who played in the VHSL all star game. Sadly, that is all the info I have been able to find up here in DC. Help would be appreciated!