Hey I know it is a long time since I Posted. Does Kilted Rat still post? I believe he was in the Navy last time I posted. I just thought of him and wondered how he was doing.

Not having seen Wartburg play I didn't comment on their chances but having seen IW play I thought the Knights could win.  They dominated and I am happy for the Knights and IIAC.  Concentrate now Knights and keep it rolling!

From what I heard the Dutch have played well the first two weeks.  Hanging with and could have beat Oshkosh week 1 and handling Augustana last night bodes well for a much improved team from last season.  A tough non con schedule in my opinion has and will help the Dutch in the IIAC campaign. 

I don't know much about Central but Millikin Reports today. 

Preseason picks

Loras L-If Loras wins watch out for the Duhawks

Coe in a close road win

Simpson wins-If they don't could be a long season in the IIAC for the Storm

Wartburg gets a good road win.  If the O struggles to get points not a good sign.

Luther wins this is a homer pick as I know nothing about Presentation

Platteville beats BV.  If BV wins this might be a sleeper in IIAC

Lacrosse beats UD.  UD lost a very good QB and will struggle for points early in season.  If I'm wrong about this UD will make a good run in IIAC

I will pick Osh Kosh over the Dutch as this is the preseason.  If I see the Dutch or hear of improvement in the Dutch I may change in the pickems.  Good test for the Dutch and if they do win this might be the year of the Dutch!!!!

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ACL injuries 40% higher on turf

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/01/us-football-idUSBRE84002Q20120501

No one is claiming turf is any safer. Performance is better on turf due to the increased and consistent traction. Obviously with the ability to better plant and move, the higher the likelihood of injuries.

So, D3 football is supposed to appease the spectators and coaches ....."better plant and move" at the expense of the student/athletes we encourage come to our supposed academic colleges ?  Future knee replacements, etc. 

Come on guys........IIAC has to be better than that.   

If the AD at your school wants to sacrifice kids so be it.  Just don,t sanction it.

I cant tell because of your punctuation, but are you saying the bolded statement as a question or statement?

Ill address both possibilities:

No, D3 is not supposed to appease coaches and spectators. D3 is for players who love to play the game, and want to perform it to the best of their abilities. If turf helps players perform better, then turf is the way to go.

We can't live in a bubble wrapped world. If you don't like turf, there are plenty of schools who still have grass...go there.

and before you relate the current culture of safety to this scenario. Neurological injuries don't compare to bum knees.

Please clarify you statement about injuries.  Are you saying bum knees are better or worse?

Now for something really outlandish

BV 10-0

Loras 9-1

Luther 8-2

Coe, UD, Wartburg, Central, and Simpson all 5-5. 


This is in the realm of when pigs fly ( not including the GIECO pig on a plane  )

This is good news for Hanus.  Vandenburg is not outstanding competition so he may have a legit shot at making the NFL.  Good luck and would look forward to seeing him with the Vikes at the dome this year.

Quote from: spurrier on April 23, 2013, 10:06:01 AM
headed to the nati on thursday for spurrier jr's graduation. . .i would like to sincerely thanks the citizens of the great state of ohio for footing the bill for the last five years

Congrats,

A proud day for you.  A happy one too as there is no debt to assume from Jr getting his degree.   

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To keep this a true D3 discussion I will ask this in two parts.  Discussed in the past, but possibly time to review again for both groups.

Questions:

1)  Should the IIAC expand?  If so, what colleges/universities should be invited?

2)  Should the Big 12 expand?  If so, what colleges/universites be invited?

My answers to follow after I give it more thought.  At this point, I'm thinking a little out of the box.

warthog is giving this A LOT of thought...it's been a couple of weeks 

Well with Warthog it could be one of two things.  Age or to much beer.  Both make you forgetful and chances are he forgot.   

dld & DF2004:  I hadn't completely forgot, but my mind has been over taxed with all sorts of scarey images of the LaPorte City Catwoman that I saw a couple weeks ago.  I haven't been able to concentrate since then.  Let me get through Easter.  Perhaps a long car ride will allow me to clear my brain and deal with the matters at hand.

Don't imbibe too much or you'll forget again! 

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Quote from: warthog on March 13, 2013, 11:12:42 PM
To keep this a true D3 discussion I will ask this in two parts.  Discussed in the past, but possibly time to review again for both groups.

Questions:

1)  Should the IIAC expand?  If so, what colleges/universities should be invited?

2)  Should the Big 12 expand?  If so, what colleges/universites be invited?

My answers to follow after I give it more thought.  At this point, I'm thinking a little out of the box.

warthog is giving this A LOT of thought...it's been a couple of weeks 

Well with Warthog it could be one of two things.  Age or to much beer.  Both make you forgetful and chances are he forgot.   

I agree with you about UD not being in trouble by losing there all conference QB.  I don't think they are in trouble.  I think that there are taller hills to climb because of it though.  I think that the toughest player to replace on the field is a 3 or 4 year starter at QB because they get all of the playing time.  My son told me once that the QB gets better with playing time.  I believe it cause I witnessed it.  You can get all of the practice time and see everything in practice but game speed is different.  That's where a great playing comes through.  Hanus and Hansen showed that.  Seasoning, maturity, growing up call it what you want but a QB needs playing time and coaching.  I am sure that the young men are getting coaching now but they are short on the other part.  In trouble no UD is not in trouble.  Questions yes there are many questions about all of the IIAC teams.  Nobody saw Suckow leaving Coe till it happened.  That is what is so different about D3.  A student is here one year and may be gone the next.  D1 is that way but mostly due to grades.  There are transfers now and again but they usually go down not sideways.  If I have mislead here I am sorry.  I did not mean to imply that UD was in trouble they just have some questions to answer and they may have the answers already.  Thats why the games are played.

Quote from: doolittledog on March 12, 2013, 01:01:46 AM
Maybe you're both right here. 

Willie correctly points out that UD replaced all conference QB Jermar Jackson with all conference QB Colton Hansen, who was then replaced with all conference QB Wyatt Hanus.  UD fans shouldn't feel the need to crawl inside a whiskey bottle and never come back out.  History suggests there could be another great QB waiting in the wings for the Spartans.   

notlongago correctly points out that Central was able to beat UD after losing Zweifel. 

I'll point out that while UD slipped from 9-1 to 5-5 last year, the offense went right about its business, despite the loss of Zweifel.

2011 - 489.9 yards per game
2012 - 456.1 yards per game

In 2011 Hanus threw for 317.3 per game
In 2012 Hanus threw for 316.5 per game...after losing NCAA all time leading receiver Zweifel, UD career 3rd leading receiver Fleming, UD career leading rusher Spaulding.  Also the right side of the O-line graduated two 4 year starters. 

If Hanus could lose all that and come back with pretty much an identical year throwing to freshmen, sophomores and juniors with pretty much no experiance...only losing a TE to graduation, then next year with pretty much the entire receiving corp and offensive line returning should provide a soft cushion for whoever the new QB at UD is. 

Now, with all that said, maybe next year in football could be like this past year in basketball for our conference.  Last place could beat 1st place on any given night.  Who knows how it will play out.  That's why we watch the games.

That is a good point about the QB's and who knows if the next one will accomplish the same.  The point here is we are talking about this season and memory serves Hanson and Hanus did not make all conference their first season.  That goes to my previous post.  This season could be a growing season for the UD QB.  If there are enough other players on the field to help the UD QB develop they can have a successful season.  To me that will be the key.  I am not from Missouri but my Wartburg son is so I will steal a line from that wise old sage on the IIAC post pattern page "SHOW ME".  ( Where did he or she go?)  I am not being a downer for the UD faithful just pointing out the history and realities of the position the UD offense is in.  It is a load for this young man or men that are competing for the job.  I don't doubt that the coaching will be there and they will coach up their young men.  The question for me is experience.  Can their QB's learn fast enough to carry the load that Hanus carried and is the QB on his level.

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Sept. 7 Wis.-Oshkosh PellaW Dutch dominated their 2nd String last year 
Sept. 14 Augustana (Ill.) Rock Island, Ill. W Dutch seem to have their # lately
Sept. 28 Albion (Mich.) Pella W??? No idea what Albion returns, but its Pella
Oct. 5    Dubuque Dubuque W DBQ gunna miss that QB
Oct. 12  Simpson Indianola L just a hunch
Oct. 19  Buena Vista Pella W Home advantage
Oct. 26  Luther Pella W
Nov. 2   Loras Dubuque W
Nov. 9   Wartburg Waverly L Last minute game.....again.
Nov. 16 Coe Pella W win for the conference title.

Just like Dubuque was not going to replace Jermar Jackson.
Just like Dubuque was not going to replace Colten Hansen
Just like Dubuque will not be able to replace Wyatt Hanus
Something tells me Coach Z has a few tricks up his sleeve 

We had this discussion last season, and I said without Zweifel, Central would win. They did. This season, as things stand now (several 5th year seniors returning for central, recruiting classes as they are, etc.) I am saying w/o that QB, central will again.

Come on man....enough is enough. Central won the game this year on the scoreboard, I get that. But watching the game, they got dominated by UD for the most part. UD didn't capitalize when they needed to and central had lady luck on their side with the play that I will forever title the "fluke".

And again, my opinion but take into account central playing on homecoming and 1st conference game, etc..... emotion helped lift them to victory. Had they played at UD this year, I would bet it would have been closer to the previous years game. I just wasn't impressed with central the past 2 years, sorry. They have some talent but so do 5 other teams in the conference and we are years removed from the schipper days when central was an intimidating force on the field.

But, I am looking forward to this years rematch, you bet your bottom dollar.

Willie U

Willie U,

Haven't seen the game and I doubt I ever do.  A W is a W and an L is an L.  The only stat that matters is the scoreboard at the end of the game.  Most of the Dutches games they were out gained in 2005.  They went 9-1 that year.  I am not saying Central will win the UD game haven't followed either team that closely but replacing a three year starter at qb is a very tall order.  If UD beats Central and they could it will be through the hard work of the coaches and new qb. The one thing that favors UD is they are at home for the new qb's first IIAC start.

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Quote from: Willie University on March 07, 2013, 10:39:54 AM

Quote from: notlongago on March 06, 2013, 05:44:44 PM
Sept. 7 Wis.-Oshkosh PellaW Dutch dominated their 2nd String last year 
Sept. 14 Augustana (Ill.) Rock Island, Ill. W Dutch seem to have their # lately
Sept. 28 Albion (Mich.) Pella W??? No idea what Albion returns, but its Pella
Oct. 5    Dubuque Dubuque W DBQ gunna miss that QB
Oct. 12  Simpson Indianola L just a hunch
Oct. 19  Buena Vista Pella W Home advantage
Oct. 26  Luther Pella W
Nov. 2   Loras Dubuque W
Nov. 9   Wartburg Waverly L Last minute game.....again.
Nov. 16 Coe Pella W win for the conference title.

Just like Dubuque was not going to replace Jermar Jackson.
Just like Dubuque was not going to replace Colten Hansen
Just like Dubuque will not be able to replace Wyatt Hanus
Something tells me Coach Z has a few tricks up his sleeve 

We had this discussion last season, and I said without Zweifel, Central would win. They did. This season, as things stand now (several 5th year seniors returning for central, recruiting classes as they are, etc.) I am saying w/o that QB, central will again.

Replacing a player is tough enough but replacing a 3 year starter at quarterback is very tough.  The quarterback learns much more from playing time than practice time and without playing time he doesn't progress.  That said if UD can surround a new qb with some great players he can be successful.  Time will tell if he can fill Hanus' shoes.  On the surface notlonago's prediction does hold water but predictions are not always correct that is why the game is played.

Quote from: doolittledog on March 09, 2013, 03:16:35 PM
I never really understood the whole "winning outright titles" argument.  I'm sure Central still counts their shared titles in '02 and '05. 

I agree Coe isn't there yet, but looking at the last 4 seasons I think you can start to see if they can continue at this pace over the next few seasons you could see the Kohawks starting to seperate themselves from the rest of the pack.  It is a big if though. 

Over the past 4 seasons Central, Coe, Dubuque, Wartburg each have a conference title. Overall in conference play we have...

Coe          27-4...1 title, 3 playoff appearances...only losses are to Central, Dubuque, Wartburg
Central     24-7...1 title, 1 playoff appearance...includes a loss each to BVU and Simpson
Wartburg  23-8...1 title, 1 playoff appearance...includes a loss to BVU and twice to Simpson
Dubuque 18-13...1 title, 1 playoff appearance...includes a loss to Luther and twice to Loras

Do you think BVU and Simpson can stay up?  Why or why not?  I want to hear your opinion...you are usually fairly accurate 

I don't mean canning a coach.  Do you think there will be unrest among the fan base if each of those schools go 3-5 years without a conference title?  Their fan bases expect more than the other schools in the IIAC.  If Central fails to win the league this year they will become the 1st senior class to leave without a conference title since 1973.  If Wartburg can't win a title over the next 2 seasons they will be the 1st senior class since 1998 to leave without a conference title.  Again, some big ifs there...but you know, it's the off season!   

And, uh, food and drinks...where are the best places??? 

My response was directed at your specific question and I quote "Is Coe threatening to become The Power in the conference".

To be "THE POWER" I think that a team needs to be the outright champ.  If there are multiple teams tying for the conference championship how can there be "THE POWER"?  "THE" is singular is it not?  So my post was to address your question.  If you look back at the tally books you will see that Coe has one only one outright championship in the IIAC.  That is not to run Coe down at all, that is to address your question of are they threatening to become "THE POWER".  I am not here to say that cochamps are a bad thing at all or denegrate a cochamp.  I was trying to answer your question.  A champ is a champ shared with one, outright, or with 4 other teams.  The W-L records used to determine that speak for themselves.  I think of a team being dominate is the Mount Unions, UWW, SJU (in the past) St Thomas now.  Is Coe an elite IIAC program I'd have to say yes by their body of work over the past 10-12 years.  Are they "THE POWER"?  Give me another 3-4 seasons and I will answer that question if the good Lord is willing.


As far as BV and Simpson both staying in the top half I would have to say no.  That is not a knock on their programs at all.  Do the math.  If Central, Wartburg, Dubuque, and Coe (and that is not a given in this conference) are competitive and remain at the top someone has to be on the bottom.  If there is one "POWER" and everyone is fighting for second place then they can remain in the top half due to ties.  Mathematically I don't see it happening with wins and losses but if 4-5 teams beat each other up then there could be 6 teams in the top 4 spots due to ties.  If we have another season that is a six team race for the AQ then that will be exciting for the IIAC as a whole but IMHO that does not bode well for the AQ for the playoffs as that means we are watering down our teams unless our teams are all 3-0 coming out of nonconference play.  If UD comes out 3-0 with their nonconference schedule look out I don't like the rest of the IIAC's chances.