I realize it has no play-off implications, but, just out of curiousity, what are the predictions for the Luther/DBQ game this weekend? DBQ has had a solid season and really looks impressive. However, the Norse have been on a roll lately. I've gotta pull for my boys and say Luther 31, DBQ 28.

Quote from: ihavesomething2say on November 05, 2007, 11:58:33 AM

Quote from: badgerwarhawk on November 05, 2007, 11:48:30 AM
A featured running back's primary job is to gain yards rushing.  List as many runners and go back as far as you like and the fact remains that one running back tops them all at doing what they're on the field to do and that running back is Justin Beaver.  He's not only broken the all time rushing record he has shattered it.   He's done it with opponents stacking the box and setting up defensive schemes specifically aimed at stopping him.  

There are several good backs in the league this year but Beaver stands above all of them.   That's my opinion.  

Goo....Coach of the Year:  Lance Liepold  

My coach of the year: Eau Claire's Glaser

Liepold has done a great job but he inherited all the talent.  Glaser turned a team around that didnt have a good season last year.

I agree for COY, Glaser has done great things for Eau Claire this year. Not only did he turn things around at Eau Claire this year, but with the adversity they faced throughout this season (Osborn's injury in preseason, then going through what, 4 or 5 QB's?) Glaser has been able to keep the Blugolds on track.

Coach B at DBQ ought to be COY. He took an aweful Dubuque squad that would MAYBE get one or two wins a few seasons ago, into a team that went 6-4 (5-3 IIAC) last year, and is 6-2 already (4-2 IIAC) this season, in a very tough conference from top to bottom. The question I pose, though, is has DBQ turned the corner? Is this winning for them going to continue in future seasons, or will they revert back to the old Spartans after Jackson graduates this year?

Quote from: Just Bill on October 29, 2007, 02:38:12 PM

Quote from: LC65 on October 29, 2007, 02:11:08 PM
UMHBalum-n-CenLa,
Good points, well taken.

Bill,
I am speaking from experience here. Taking the Blue Chip recruits out of the equation, if you were to ask the more talented high school players in Wisconsin where they were going to play next year, (with they exception of a few that have the grades to get into Madison and try to walk on, or the few that go D-I out of state) most of them would most likely tell you UW-Whitewater, UW-La Crosse, UW-Eau Claire, etc.; a WIAC school.  I now coach in the south and NONE of my players (talented or not) are talking about going to ANY ASC school. Most of them are planning on going to the local Community College and then trying to get a D-I offer from the Multiple D-I schools (Big XII, SEC, and Conf. USA) in the area. Will some of them end up at an ASC school?, probably, but it sure won't be anyones first choice, like Whitewater or La Crosse is for a lot of Wisconsin players. Again, nor do we have any D-II schools to take away from out D-III programs. Also, you have to look at Whitewater's recruiting area. It sits between Madison and Milwaukee, and is just north of Chicago. It's a great school in a prime location for anyone from those areas who want to keep playing but maybe don't have the quite the talent of D-I. Also, if we took the bottom teams from the ASC and the bottom teams from the WIAC, I'd take River Falls or Platteville over Louisiana College or Howard Payne any day!

I don't disagree with a single point.  However, it's foolish to predict the outcome of one single game based on this.  It doesn't make a bit of difference to the players and coaches which league might have a slightly more favorable position.

Read back through the post-game comments.  Did anyone say, "Boy, UMHB would have had a shot if Wisconsin would just have some D-II programs."  Of course not.  The game is decided on the field.

Come on Bill, the argument I present here is MUCH more valid than that rediculous "grass" argument. Secondly, as a coach, when playing Non-Conference games, we're ALWAYS analyzing our opponent's conference and saying things like, "Well guys, they may be 4-6 but don't take them lightly, look at who they played." Or "Yeah, they're 8-2, but who have they played?" Everyone looks at strength of schedule!!!

UMHBalum-n-CenLa,
Good points, well taken.

Bill,
I am speaking from experience here. Taking the Blue Chip recruits out of the equation, if you were to ask the more talented high school players in Wisconsin where they were going to play next year, (with they exception of a few that have the grades to get into Madison and try to walk on, or the few that go D-I out of state) most of them would most likely tell you UW-Whitewater, UW-La Crosse, UW-Eau Claire, etc.; a WIAC school.  I now coach in the south and NONE of my players (talented or not) are talking about going to ANY ASC school. Most of them are planning on going to the local Community College and then trying to get a D-I offer from the Multiple D-I schools (Big XII, SEC, and Conf. USA) in the area. Will some of them end up at an ASC school?, probably, but it sure won't be anyones first choice, like Whitewater or La Crosse is for a lot of Wisconsin players. Again, nor do we have any D-II schools to take away from out D-III programs. Also, you have to look at Whitewater's recruiting area. It sits between Madison and Milwaukee, and is just north of Chicago. It's a great school in a prime location for anyone from those areas who want to keep playing but maybe don't have the quite the talent of D-I. Also, if we took the bottom teams from the ASC and the bottom teams from the WIAC, I'd take River Falls or Platteville over Louisiana College or Howard Payne any day!

UMHBalum-n-CenLa and Bill,
Hope that crow tastes good! Since both of you view my observations as way off base, what would you like to blame the loss on, the weather, maybe the length of the grass???

MHB won't beat Whitewater. The elements may play a factor, however, I feel that the educational system of Wisconsin and Texas will be the determining factor.  In Texas (and the South in general) there are so many DI, DII, NAIA, and Community Colleges in each state, that anybody who is decent typically goes to a scholarship school. In Wisconsin, on the other hand,  the only major scholarship football program is UW-Madison. If you are not talented enough to be a Badger, you go to a DIII school. The WIAC, in turn, gets premier athletes, that perhaps in other states, would be going to scholarship schools. Having grown up in Wisconsin, and now living in Mississippi (where I've watched both Millsaps and Mississippi College play), I simply think that the talent level in the WIAC is better than that of the ASC.

I was at the Saints/Bills preseason game in the Dome. Fred Jackson scored the Bills only touchdown. He looked pretty good. Hope he makes the cuts!

The new field turf was out on the market around the time that Stout converted their field.  I remember going on campus visits in HS and Simpson College down in Iowa had the new style turf, and I am pretty sure that was when Stout was just building that new stadium.  But I could be wrong.  But I know that Simpson had the turf in 2000. Does anyone remember the year that they completed that new stadium?

BD Bob,
I would agree that Stout's emmotions were high, and as you said, they had a reason for being jacked up. And it's one thing to give you buddies a high-five or a chestbump in the endzone after a score, but Stout's celebration went far beyond that. Some of the actions that Stout did would more than likely get a flag in a Pro game, for example, pretending the ball is a gun and shooting other teammates, which happened in the 3rd quarter when Stout was already up by some 30 pts. Stout has been on the losing end of some games, and I garuntee that they would get pissed if teams did that crap to them when they are beating them by 30 pts. The Stout team could have shown a little more dignity and respect for their opponent;  they were already beating them on the scoreboard. If Stout played half as hard as they showboat, they would be National Champions.

I played my 4 years of college ball down in the IIAC and this is my first fall that I have free, so I spend my Saturdays going to college games around the area. This past Saturday I went to see the Stout/River Falls game and in all my years of seeing D3 college football games, I've NEVER seen a team as cocky, arrogant and undisciplined as UW-Stout. They had two personal fouls for unsportsman-like conduct on Saturday, and could have had several more for excessive celebration after touchdowns and trashtalking on the field. After EVERY score there was some choreographed dance, even involving some guys who had nothing to do with the success of the play. It's one thing to be pumped up after you score, but this went far beyond simply being excited. As a neutral fan, I was getting angry with the lack of sportsmanship, lack of discipline, and the arrogant cockyness of the Stout players.  They were already pounding RF on the scoreboard, this was simply rubbing it in. I could understand a little bit of cockyness if they were actually a powerhouse team, but they're not. The last time they made the play-offs was in 2000 (every player on the Stout team now would have still been in high school) and they aren't going to make them this year (especially since they lost to E.C., and still have LaX and WW to play). They are not nationally ranked, or undefeated. My point is that they are an AVERAGE football team, they have NO reason what so ever to be as cocky as they are. And as for coaching, I am shocked that any coach would allow his team to act like that on the field. I don't know what kind of program Strop is running over there at Stout, but as a WI high school coach, I will not send ANY of my players to that program after what I saw on Saturday. That's not what D3 football is about. To put it bluntly, they were a disgrace to the game!

Dutchfan2004 - I agree, #10 (Pearson) is very talented, and he sometimes gets overlooked because of how good Sherdan. Were you at the game this weekend? I'd like to hear how Central looked. All I've seen are the stats and scores.

As for the IIAC getting two teams in, It's possible, but I don't think it will happen.  The WIAC has two teams ranked 6th (Whitewater) and 11th (La Crosse) here on D3, the MIAC has St. John's ranked 5, and yes, we have two teams ranked, but they are only 23 and 25. And Central still has to play Wartburg. It could happen, no one ever knows who is going to win in the WIAC. But I just don't think it's very likely.

Dutchfan2004,

I could be wrong, but I really think you will be surprised this weekend at the scores of the Luther/Central game.  Many thought the Luther/Wartburg game was going to be a low scoring game, and look how that turned out. With the offense that the Norse run, it is one that makes a football game a war of attrition. Whoever has the ball last is going to win. I know that Central has a tough D. However, when the Norse play this style of football, other teams are forced to play it with them. Like I said, I could be wrong about the score this week, but don't be surprised if it is a game where over 50 pts. are scored by the two teams.

Two extremely important games in the Conf. race this week, and both are going to be battles. Here's my picks

Coe over Wartburg, 17-14 on a field goal with 45 sec. to play

Luther over Central, 28-24: The T-Bone 5000 back up and running

Cornell over UD, 21-7

Simpson over Loras, 31-17

B.V. crushes Waldorf, 42-10

Oh, and Sherden has another day over 100 yards

And if it's possible for UD to lose in a bye week, I predict it will happen