Quote from: Gregory Sager on July 15, 2009, 06:18:35 PM

Quote from: larry_u on July 15, 2009, 01:23:03 PM
So it really only appears that Carroll and St Norbert would abe able to accept a senior transfer.  However if said player wanted to stay for a 5th year, even though he would only have one year of eligability, pretty much any school would take him.

That's true, inasmuch as Hoch (or senior transfers in general) is the subject of the conversation. However, as regards my response to Roop's assertion:

Quote from: Gregory Sager on July 14, 2009, 10:23:25 PM

Quote from: The Roop on July 14, 2009, 08:09:01 PM
In writing most institutions require 50% of your credits to be earned at that school before they award a degree. However, there are a lot of <wink wink> unwritten policies within certain conferences. Especially when they think they are the Ivy League of D3.

Evidence, please. I'm not aware of this being a requirement at most institutions.

... and his subsequent research, this is what we find:

Beloit: Yes, Roop's "50% of credits must be earned at the degree-granting school" thesis is upheld by Beloit's stated requirements.
Grinnell: Yes
Carroll: No
Illinois College: No
Knox: ?
Lake Forest: Yes
Lawrence: Yes
Monmouth: No
Ripon: No
St. Norbert: No


That's four "yes" schools with regard to the 50% transfer restriction, five "no" schools, and a question-mark school. And that's just within the academically-exclusive MWC, to say nothing of all the other four-year college and universities out there in the country. This is plainly not a widely-established graduation requirement in American higher education. However, to give due credit here (no pun intended), a tip o' the cap to Roop for undertaking what must've been some pretty boring school-catalog research.

Quote from: The Roop on July 15, 2009, 01:41:23 PM
The biggest recurring theme I discovered in my research was "up to the discretion of" somebody. What exactly that means is any ones guess. I will always maintain that he gets a better deal if he stays in conference than going elsewhere. In conference he likely gets the "discretionary nod" whereas going elsewhere, probably not.

My thoughts as well. It's all a matter of, "Here are our rules, which show how exclusive we are, and we shall uphold these rules to the letter ... except for cases in which we decide not to uphold them." In other words, it's "four legs good, two legs bad" unless the pig administrator in charge decides it's "two legs good, four legs bad".

The four schools that are "yes" along with one other make up the  "academically-exclusive" portion of the MWC.  

Roops rumor, while vague, is true.  

Quote from: The Roop on March 17, 2009, 10:24:55 AM
The NRO grapevine usually has about a 7-10 day turnaround in the off season but I've recently chummed the waters regarding a transfer rumor I stumbled upon recently. Should hear something in a couple days.

Would that be a transfer in  or a transfer out 

I have heard that BC is working very hard on one of the bigs from Beloit Memorial who will be playing at state this Thursday. 

Quote from: jeffdc on March 01, 2009, 11:20:27 AM

Quote from: titan2000 on March 01, 2009, 10:19:31 AM
If anyone from Grinnell can tell me what the students were yelling at us last night when we were up 20, sounded like "_______ school" I would appreciate it.  The students were not good at annunciation.  But we got to say "woosh" 46 times so we have that going for us, which is nice.

They were saying 'safety school'....as it is well known that many LU students tried to get into GC, but couldn't make the cut. 

Ah yes, the wit ot the GC student body.  A big part of why I will never complain when the Monmouths of the world roll up 69 on them in football.  Of course then after the game they can amuse each other with stories about how they almost got in to Carleton or Middlebury depending on what part of the country they are from. 

Grinnell actually hit the 100 mark with about 10 minutes left then went 4 corner and dropped back in to a non pressing zone on defense for much of the rest of they way.  Beloit played well at times and the young kids show flashes of what the future could be like.

Watching the System at the Flood is always my favorite game of the year.

A question for the LU fans out there, are there any concerns about your coaches abilities as a recruiter?  It would appear that Lawrence has three Freshman on their roster along with three Sophmores.  While playing time might have been an issue with the strong Senior and Junior classes that they have, I would have thought that the success that LU has had over the past decade would have led to larget incoming classes.  Perhaps its a non issue but it does seem curious.   

Am I correct that at least five players of Beloit's roster from last year who were not Seniors are not listed this year?  No huge losses but Weber played well late in the season and Isham and Heer would have added a little maturity to a roster that looks to have two Seniors, Two Juniors (one of whom did not play last year) and Two Sophmores. 

I do like what the coach has brought in for his first recruiting class but they will have to grow up in a hurry.

Those Beloit fans who believe that the President of the college has been an obstacle to basketball success will get to see what type of attitude the new one brings next year.

Quote from: gcfan33 on February 24, 2008, 03:03:28 PM
Also of question is whether Carroll players will be allowed to push, shove, and hack at the Grinnell point guards like they did when GC played there recently.  Most of the GC turnovers were as a result of being hacked to death by clutch and grab defense by Carroll, who looked like they practiced it all season without punishment.

I have been as big a defender of the System as any non-Pioneer over the years but have to draw the line when a Grinnell fan talks about "push, shove and hack without mentioning that it is the sole defensive strategy of Grinnell and has been since the System was implemented.

Carroll has posted their roster and you have to give Schultz some credit, the guy can recruit.  Carroll lists 12 freshman along with a 13th new player who played football last year but will be playing his first year of BB.

Of the 14 players on last years roster who were underclassmen it looks like six have not returned including half of last years freshman (3 of 6) 

Systemfan,

With all due respect I had let it go until this post was made:

"Beloit last in the coaches poll...how could that be. they have the new coach who will save them. seriously i sure hope they're not last. "

If it makes you feel better I promise to never initiate a topic about the former BC coach on this board.  I will not however simply let  the past be rewritten by someone who was involved very closely with the failures at BC. 

Quote from: d3bbfan on November 01, 2007, 02:13:01 PM
Well Dolph lets just hope for the sake of all BC fans that the addmissions and the AD support the new coach better than they did the prior one or he will fair no better.....belive it or not I really am hoping for the best. i would love nothing better than BC becoming a power again in the conf.

So now you set up a "strawman" where if the new coach wins it is because he is receiving all the support that the old coach never got.  No chance that it could be because he turns out to be a better coach and recruiter.  This parralels your position that had the old coach been left in place things would have been great this year.  Neither can be disproven so regardless of how Vraney does you will be safe in your beliefs.

Quote from: d3bbfan on October 31, 2007, 09:01:10 PM
Beloit last in the coaches poll...how could that be. they have the new coach who will save them. seriously i sure hope they're not last. everyone knows where i stood on the coaching change but im still a Bucs fan so i am wishing them all the best.

My memory is a bit fuzzy, remind me how Beloit did in the MWC their first year under their previous coach.  How about the second year?  Which year did they win their first MWC championship under him?  How did they do last year after nine years to build a program with that top notch group of assistants that had been assembled? 

Quote from: systemfan86 on October 18, 2007, 03:31:59 PM

Quote from: Hoops Fan on October 18, 2007, 11:27:42 AM

Quote from: Dolph Stanley on October 18, 2007, 10:00:57 AM
Have a feeling that Augustus Karisch may be the "jewel" of the GC recruiting class. 

The kid sure comes in with a resume.

Just curious, given that he's coming from Texas, how do you know about him? I did a Google search after seeing your post and he seems to have received some awards, but I wouldn't have known to look for him.

In this case, from his travel team.  Was talking to someone who mentioned the kid was heading to a small school in Iowa to go to college and that his game was very well suited for their style of play 

Have a feeling that Augustus Karisch may be the "jewel" of the GC recruiting class. 

Interestingly, this brings to three the number of ex UW players who now have head coaching positions in the MWC.  Vershaw was by far the most known of the three as a player.