So what has happened to the Thiel football program??  When coach leipheimer came they rebuilt for a couple years and had a couple really good seasons in 04 and the undefeated year in 05.  Usually programs can build on successes but that has not happened.  Anyone close to the program or anyone else have any thoughts?

Well I guess some sympathy to Bigern then because he played center and it would have been hard to beat out Thiel's center for all PAC through those years, he was pretty good.

Bigerner,

What did YOU do when you were at W&J?  Did you ever make all conference?  Were you an average player on an above average W&J team?  I would be willing to bet the second question is true.......... it's funny because the people who come onto these boards and talk up a storm like you do usually never did much in there playing days, and they try to make up for it by talking a lot.  I'm sure your playing on the field never backed up all your talk..... actually... I'm sure of it

TMC was picked to finish 4th, not 3rd.

1. Washington & Jefferson (22) 196 10-2 (6-0)
2. Waynesburg (4) 148 6-4 (5-1)
3. Thiel (3) 147 5-5 (4-2)
4. Thomas More 115 6-4 (2-4)
5. Grove City 73 3-7 (1-5)
6. Bethany 68 4-6 (2-4)
7. Westminster 67 2-8 (1-5)

The offensive coordinator left to be the head coach at Albright and the defensive coordinator left to be a coach at Maine

If the Thiel offensive line doesn't start playing better it might be a LONG year for the Tomcats

They gave up 6 sacks and the team rushed for negative yardage--Ouch......

Interesting that the kickoff predicts W&J, Thiel, and Waynesburg all to finish with a 5-1 record in the conference.  I think thats a pretty good prediction.

Looks like Thiel lost their Offensive and Defensive Coordinator from last seaon-

Marzka is at Albright as the new head coach
Rossi is at D1 Maine as a defensive assistant

I'm sure Leip will take over as D coordinator
Reiser, the old O-line coach will take over as offensive coordinator

I'm sure we will see some changes on both sides of the ball from the Tomcats

That 1990 Allegheny team that won the Championship has ties to the PAC

- The defensive coordinator was Jack Leipheimer (head coach at Thiel)

- The Offensive Center is now the Offensive Coordinator at Thiel

- The Tight End is now the Offensive Line Coach/Strength coach at Thiel

- Also a few other former players of coach leips that didnt play on that team but afterwards followed him to Thiel to coach- I know of the defensive coordinator for Thiel now and I think a couple others

They know what it takes to win and I think they did a great job of turning a program around that probably nobody thought could ever win

Ernie,

W&J is in way over their heads against UMHB.  Their offense WILL NOT move the ball.  If they didnt move the ball against CNU how would you expect them to move it against this team?? Just wondering where you are getting your reasoning from.  Also, if they gave up that many yards against CNU, expect more this week.  Long day for the Presidents- Congrats to them though because they have played above their talent level and ability all season, they are commended for that.

Or, If you take Thiel's schedule from last year with the out of conference games being OWU and Bluffton at the beginning, again Thiel is probably 7-2 right now.

CC,

I agree about the potential "upset" brewing for this weekend.  Although I dont know if it will be much of an upset.  You take Albion and Alfred off of Thiels schedule and plug in two of the non -PAC teams that CMu played and Thiel is most likely 7-2 right now with a close losses to W&J and Waynesburg.......and working on an 8-2 season.

CC,

Even if Thiel wins CMU still makes the playoffs, although I would think they might lose home field advantage to W&J if both are 9-1?

Talkin about the best Corner in the PAC.........quietly but surely it is Steve Boyle from Thiel

PASSES DEFENDED    Team Cl  G Brup  Int Total Avg/G
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1. Steve Boyle.... THI  SR  9   10    5    15  1.67
2. C. Schwamberger GRO  SR  9    8    4    12  1.33
3. Ryan Mullen.... W&J  JR  9    5    3     8  0.89
    Cory Walsh..... W&J  SR  9    6    2     8  0.89
5. Anthony Taylor. WAY  SR  9    2    5     7  0.78
    Aaron Bane..... W&J  SR  9    6    1     7  0.78
7. R.J. Faldowski. BET  JR  8    2    4     6  0.75
8. Mike Baker..... GRO  SO  7    3    2     5  0.71
9. Chris Willis... TMC  SR  9    4    2     6  0.67
    A. Quarterman.. THI  JR  9    5    1     6  0.67


INTERCEPTIONS      Team Cl  G  Int  Yds TD Int/G Long
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1. Anthony Taylor. WAY  SR  9    5  120  0  0.56   53
    Steve Boyle.... THI  SR  9    5   32  1  0.56   32
3. R.J. Faldowski. BET  JR  8    4   57  0  0.50   25
4. C. Schwamberger GRO  SR  9    4   58  0  0.44   58
5. Nick Cherish... W&J  SR  9    3   65  0  0.33   39
    Jake Wilczynski WES  SO  9    3   39  0  0.33   21
    Ryan Mullen.... W&J  JR  9    3   25  0  0.33   15
8. Mike Baker..... GRO  SO  7    2    0  0  0.29    0
9. Terence Toone.. TMC  JR  8    2   48  0  0.25   28
10.Brandon Zeman.. BET  SO  9    2   90  2  0.22   55

In response to the post by Wes.......

last 4 years PAC champs

Waynesburg in 2003
W&J in 2004
Thiel in 2005
most likely W&J in 2006?

meaning Mendel has 2 out of 4 PAC championships?? Or did I make a mistake in what I just wrote...just curious