DP, with 3 kids under the age of 8, getting to games is a little tougher these days.  The webcasts for the most part are a nice way to still catch some MIAC B-Ball action though.  I have also started taking my oldest to a few games which makes it easier for the wife leaving for a 3 hr chunk.

Gusties...holy crap?!?!??  That's a tough one heading off into the long dreaded Christmas break.  I remember as a player it being the worst time of the season every year.  You finally get into the MIAC season and start getting on a regular M-W-S game schedule to then have it come to a halting stop.  On top of having a few weeks without a game, your practices turn back into conditioning practices.  I think it makes a lot of sense for coaches to schedule a few of their non conference games during this break to keep their teams mentally in "game mode" (which I know some do).

I was able to catch the BU/SJU game.  I was very impressed with Schmidt and Risinger.  Even though Risinger only had like 12 and 9 for the game, he had a couple monster dunks with one tip in dunk coming in a huge moment late down the stretch.  He made a lot of key plays that really helped SJU either keep the momentum, or swing it over their way.  He also played 44 mins  and really impacted the game in many ways that didn't show up in the stat sheet.  Nice size and very athletic.  I actually thought SJU should have gotten him more involved in the game then they did on the offense side of the ball.

Schmitt was impressive as well.  Nice stroke and very quick.  His game reminded me a little of Wojta's but with a better shot outside the ark.  He easily could get his shot off whenever he wanted and he was hitting.  GoldandBlueBU, I agree that Wojta played the best defense on him and it would have been huge if he wasn't on a short leash.  SJU is a tough team and the rematch should be fun in Arden Hills.

My biggest criticism on Bethel so far has been Tusler.  He needs to play smarter and with more passion if BU wants to make a run for the title this year.  He too often plays with a lackluster approach that leads to poor decision making and hurtful TO's or fouls.  If he would have played up to half of his potential on Saturday, BU could have came away with a win.  He needs a player or a coach to get on him a bit and pick up his effort/focus.  I have seen 4 games now this year and he has had spurts in all of them where he looks mentally out of it and makes some huge mistakes.  Hopefully he can get this figured out and start playing more like he did last year. 

I also think the decision to not start Wojta at the beginning of OT was a huge mistake by Novak.  BU came out and had 2 terrible shots (practically heaves at the end of the shot clock) in their first 3 possessions and just looked a little lost.  The offense was night and day better when Wojta was in the game and it cost Novak by not starting him.  SJU then hits 3 three's in their first 4 possessions in OT and 2.5 min into OT the game was all but over with SJU up 9.  He put in Wojta 2:30 min into OT but it was too late.  If he can come in 2:30 into OT, he can start and play 5 mins.  That was the dagger in my mind.  Hindsight is always 20/20 though.  I just was mad not seeing him start OT and I was afraid it was going to cost them and it did. 

I still loved their fight and they had their opportunities down the stretch in regulation to win that game.  SJU is always a tough place to play, but they played well and made it a great game.

With what has transpired over the first part of the season, it seems that the MIAC is going to be a 4 team race for the top spot between STU, SJU, BU, and Carl.  I don't think Olaf cracks the top 4 this year and it wouldn't surprise me at all if STU doesn't wear the crown come end of season.

Happy Holiday's to all!

Wojta had Microscopic surgery on his Meniscus.  I heard he was on pace to return after the Christmas break.

First time BU has ever started 7-0.  Hard to believe with all the cup cake non conference games we used to play in the past.     I still get to a handful of games each year and I really enjoy the fast pace of play that Novak has implemented.  I also love the addition of the 30 second shot clock and how much that impacts the game. Would have made pressing full court every possession make a lot more sense to me.

Looks to be another dog fight for that 2-4 position like it is most years.  Maybe this will be the yr the Tommies get knocked off as the regular season champs.  Would be refreshing to see a different school at the top one of these years. 

Sorry to disappoint Drake   but I have been out of town for the last two weeks and am trying to catch back up on everything.  I have seen a few of Bethel's games online this year, but haven't had a chance to go to any of them.  So I don't know what the injury's are for these guy's.  I will see what I can find out though and will be sure to come to the board right away.  

Can't really tell how good Bethel is going to be this year with the injuries they have had, but the experience the young guys are getting this early in the year could bode well for them in the long run.  There are a few things worth noting though.  Greg Meyer is a decent ball player and has played some really good minutes for a freshmen.  I am excited to see how he can develop over the next few years.  With his size and athletic ability he could be a good MIAC wing for many years to come.  Besides the horrendous shooting display against SJU, I like what I have seen from Vavra this year so far.  It will help when some of these other guys come back to take off some of the pressure he is feeling, but he is taking it to the whole pretty well right now.  I would like to see him build/show more of a mid-range game as he seems to either shoot the 3 or take it all the way to the hoop.  I would love to see him work on a one or two dribble pull up.  Lastly, I know Robertson has been hurt, but he needs to step it up.  I don't know what his off season workouts have been, but he hasn't seem to improve much over the last few years.  With his Strength and experience there is no way he shouldn't be ave 16 or 17 and 8 a game as a Senior.  He is averaging right now what he was averaging as a Freshmen over at River Falls.

I still think Bethel will finish in the Top 4 with a first round home playoff game this year.

Bethel down 3 with 52 seconds left playing without Nate Robertson and Taylor Hall...

Augs up 3 with 9 sec left...Hamline has the ball

Bethel is up 89-16 with 9 minutes left...the second half has been running time.  Yes, I will write that again...running time!

Crown would have given a better game...Westy...why?   You are better off having another practice than this.

Quote from: Drake Palmer on November 19, 2009, 12:06:26 PM
Until the schedule opens up, and we have  more to discuss than how much Hamline has improved , here's some food for thought...

After conferring with several league historians and former players, an arbitrary

MIAC All Decade Team 2000-2009

First Team

Troy Bigalke – St. Johns
Mark Buri- St. Thomas
Doug Espenson – Gustavus
Isaac Rosefelt – St. Thomas
Ben Van Thorre – Macalester

Second Team

Andy Gilbert – Bethel
Zach Johnson – Carleton
Tim Madson – Bethel
Erik Jackson – Macalester
Bryan Schnettler – St. Thomas

Third Team

Luke Linz – Concordia
Joe Scott- St. Thomas
Sean Sweeney – St. Thomas
Chris TeBrake- Gustavus
Tom Conboy- Macalester

I just realized I didn't comment about the all decade team like I was meaning to...

I also would take fork over Conboy any day.  I think all in all you did a good job with the all decade team, but I would make one other change besides Fork.  I would take Tim Brown every day of the week before Tebrake.  That is not even an argument in my mind...Tim Brown was a stud. 

Quote from: Drake Palmer on November 19, 2009, 12:06:26 PM
Until the schedule opens up, and we have  more to discuss than how much Hamline has improved , here's some food for thought...

After conferring with several league historians and former players, an arbitrary

MIAC All Decade Team 2000-2009

First Team

Troy Bigalke – St. Johns
Mark Buri- St. Thomas
Doug Espenson – Gustavus
Isaac Rosefelt – St. Thomas
Ben Van Thorre – Macalester

Second Team

Andy Gilbert – Bethel
Zach Johnson – Carleton
Tim Madson – Bethel
Erik Jackson – Macalester
Bryan Schnettler – St. Thomas

Third Team

Luke Linz – Concordia
Joe Scott- St. Thomas
Sean Sweeney – St. Thomas
Chris TeBrake- Gustavus
Tom Conboy- Macalester

I Will be out of town this weekend for the open tip off tourney at Bethel so won't have feedback on that, but I am excited to see who steps up for them this year.  I think the two obvious ones are Vavra and Robertson, but who is going to step up as that third or even fourth threat?  I really do like Eric Hugo but he has had issues with both his feet which kept him from playing last year.  I am curious to see how his feet hold up through the long beating a season can be.  If they do hold up he could be a player for the next few years here in the MIAC.  He is a great kid with a great work ethic and has a great shot.  He also is a player that can create for himself and he has a great pull up jumper.  Then there is Taylor Hall the transfer from Bemidji.  Don't know anything about him except that he got some decent playing time as a freshmen and averaged 10 points or so on a D2 team.  That is pretty solid for a freshmen and he should transition nicely to the MIAC.  I guess I don't have any real expectations for Bethel this year.  I guess not much would surprise me.  They could be 10-10 and barely make the playoffs or they could really gel and make a push for 1st place. 

All in all it should be little closer at the top this year compared to last year I would think.  Obviously St Thomas is the team to beat, but between Car, Bet, GAC, and even St Olaf and Ham, I think it is going to be a tight race this year.  Even the Cardinals could finally have that good season we have all been anticipating them having over the last few years.  Maybe I am crazy because I just named over half the MIAC that could possibly battle for that top spot, but I really think it is going to be a year like that.  I think 16-4 will probably win the MIAC this year.

I'll throw out that question.  What do you think the winning record will be for the MIAC Champion this year? 

I say 16-4....

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Quote from: sumander on March 01, 2009, 12:28:40 PM

Quote from: BETHEL34 on March 01, 2009, 09:24:55 AM

Whoa, I never said that the fans were the sole reason for madson's play, I just simply said that they got into his head, which in my opinion is true.  Obviously Lonnie is an amazing defender, and is the main reason Madson didn't play to his abbilities.  But I do think that the fans had an affect.  If you disagree, then that's fine.  How can you honestly say Kudos to Lonnie and the Tommies (NOT THE FANS)?  Do you think that home court gives no advantage?

Home court gives you an advantage because as a player you can feed off that energy like MM said, not because they are able to get in the heads of the opposing players...and you really think Lonnie all of a sudden was playing defense harder on Madson because he heard the air ball chant???  Wow...sounds like a fan that needs a realization check on how much impact they really have.  Sure it is your opinion, but I have to say a terrible one with no real background to back it up.

Sorry, I just re-read that and that was a little harsh.  All I was trying to say is that as a player you don't even hear the crowd for the most part.  You are so focused on what you are supposed to be doing and playing hard that you block all that crap out.  I know you would like to think you can get in a players head as a fan, but for the most part you can't.  The game and your team is always bigger than anything apposing fans can say or do. 

Quote from: Drake Palmer on March 01, 2009, 02:40:45 PM

For the most part, nice write up Bet34, although I disagreed with you on several of your closing comments.  Having said that, we missed you on the board this season.  A well fought, but tough loss for the Royals. 

One comment which I questioned & made me scratch my head was your thoughts about the Tommies in the NCAA -

...but I just don't see that happening when you have to rely so much on your full court pressure and your 3's to win a game come tourney time.

So I went to the MIAC stats site & made an interesting discovery.

UST led the league in 3-pt shooting % at 39.2%, followed by GAC at 38.9% & CORD @ 38.1%.

I don't think that statistic in & of itself is a huge surprise, but it's the actual number of trey attempts that mildly surprised me.  In the back of my mind I was thinking, "yeah the Tommies would probably be one of the league leaders in 3FG attempts," but that is not the case at all.

Carleton led the league in 3FG attempts at 412 & 33% hit rate, followed by STO with 369 attempts (why -  ?!?)  & 33%, & SJU with 361 3FG attempts & 34.3% success rate.

The Tommies were 10th in the league in attempts with 291 trey attempts & GAC was 11th with 270 3FG attempts.

So what this tells me is several things:

One, statistically the Tommies used the trey as a "hammer" to break a game open as opposed to using it as their primary scoring option.  Their primary scoring option is their Defense which they use to create turnovers & hopefully create easy baskets in transition. 

Secondly, because of the threat of the three, it opens up the inside for McCoy to go one on one, or create additional interior scoring opportunities because of their excellent passing abilities. As I've said before they're one of the best passing teams I've seen.

Third, it could also be argued that because they were beating teams so decisively you never really got to see them in half court offense that often which would expose their offensive shortcomings.  I'll leave that argument for Willy or others to carry on.

However, Bet34 is right, if a team can get past the Tommies' press, UST can be vulnerable to a big, physical team in a half court setting. So far, those big physical teams didn't quite have the guard play to offset the Tommie quickness.  But I see a few storm clouds over to the east,  UW-Platteville, Whitewater, plus Puget Sound (UPS) & Whitworth with their speed to the west.

Looks like I miss spoke about them relying on their 3's...I guess that was coming from the first game that BU was at the shoe this year where STU had to hit 4 or 5 tough 3s in the last 7 mins to erase a 14 point lead...if 1 or 2 of those didn't go Bu wins that game.

Quote from: Drake Palmer on March 01, 2009, 02:40:45 PM

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For the most part, nice write up Bet34, although I disagreed with you on several of your closing comments.  Having said that, we missed you on the board this season.  A well fought, but tough loss for the Royals. 

Thanks for the kind words...with work, moving, and have a baby I just didn't have time to post this year.   

Quote from: sumander on March 01, 2009, 12:28:40 PM

Quote from: BETHEL34 on March 01, 2009, 09:24:55 AM

My prediction on the Tommies in the NCAA tourney...they will be bounced out in their first or second game.  There are too many teams out there in the tourney that will be able to beat there press and when it comes down to a half court game they will get out manned inside and get beat pretty bad...double digit loss when they go out in their first or second game.  I hope I am wrong and would love to see them win it all, but I just don't see that happening when you have to rely so much on your full court pressure and your 3's to win a game come tourney time.  With all that said though, good luck to the Tommies!  Represent the MIAC proudly!

34, wondering how many of those teams you have seen personally?

From a distant observer sounds like a touch of sour grapes!

Maybe a small touch of sour grapes  .  Sure, I have only seen one D3 game outside the Miac this year, but Bethel's press break is absolutely horrendous and that is what cost them the game.  Augsburg put a terrible press on us last WED night and we almost let a 10 point lead slip away to them in the last few mins.  Take a look at the La Crosse game against the Tommies this year.  Looks like they didn't struggle with the press that much being that the Tommies had 0 fast break points for the whole game.  I just don't think the full court pressure that the Tommies put on so well against the MIAC this year that lead to so much of their success is going to have as much of a impact on the quicker, bigger, and better coached teams that they are going to run into in the Tourney.  And with that being said it is going to come down to who executes better in the half court and that is where I see the Tommies are going to struggle when it comes to some of these WIAC teams.  As we saw when they went against a 10-15 WIAC team that took them to OT on their home court earlier in the year.  Sure it is one game, and I do hope I am wrong here, but I just don't see them going very deep.

Quote from: TommieFan2012 on March 01, 2009, 01:23:55 PM

Quote from: BETHEL34 on March 01, 2009, 09:24:55 AM

Quote from: TommieFan2012 on March 01, 2009, 03:04:32 AM

2012...you got to be kidding me.  You don't have a clue what you are talking about.  You obviously have never played basketball in front of a crowd before...as much as you would like to think the fans can get into a players head you are pretty much dead wrong.  It might happen to a young immature player, but never to a player of Madson's ability and maturity level. 

Last night's game was very very physical all night long out on the wings.  The refs were letting a lot of reaching left and right and Lonnie was banging Madson hard all night.  There were multiple stretches throughout the game that Madson was just gassed and you don't see that very often from him.  Lonnie did an amazing job on him on every possessing never taking one off.  Every time Timmy would drive and set up his stop and then turnaround jumper the Tommies would send a double team at him.  Man, Frits really knows how to coach.    Kudos to Lonnie and the Tommies (NOT THE FANS) for pounding on Timmy all night and taking him out of his game.

To the game as a whole it pretty much came down to Bethel not being able to break the press.  It was so frustrating to watch as a Bethel fan.  Sure it is a great press, but come on that many to's is absolutely rediculous and that was the name of the game.  I feel like if that game came down to a half court game Bethel wins that game by 8-10 points.  Bethel's half court play in the last 3 games against the Tommies has been better overall, but then the 20-30 points they give up on TO's gives Tommies the huge edge and eventually the W.  It lets the Tommies play free and relaxed just playing off of instincts when you have 5 or 6 straight fast break layups or dunks.  Every single possession Bethel had to work their butt off to even make it across half court and when they rarely managed to do that you felt like that was a win in itself but yet they hadn't put points up on the scoreboard yet.  Absolutely brutal...
Congrats to a great Career to Madson, Moberg, and Laugen...I look forward to playing in many of men's leagues with you guys. 

My prediction on the Tommies in the NCAA tourney...they will be bounced out in their first or second game.  There are too many teams out there in the tourney that will be able to beat there press and when it comes down to a half court game they will get out manned inside and get beat pretty bad...double digit loss when they go out in their first or second game.  I hope I am wrong and would love to see them win it all, but I just don't see that happening when you have to rely so much on your full court pressure and your 3's to win a game come tourney time.  With all that said though, good luck to the Tommies!  Represent the MIAC proudly!

Whoa, I never said that the fans were the sole reason for madson's play, I just simply said that they got into his head, which in my opinion is true.  Obviously Lonnie is an amazing defender, and is the main reason Madson didn't play to his abbilities.  But I do think that the fans had an affect.  If you disagree, then that's fine.  How can you honestly say Kudos to Lonnie and the Tommies (NOT THE FANS)?  Do you think that home court gives no advantage?

Home court gives you an advantage because as a player you can feed off that energy like MM said, not because they are able to get in the heads of the opposing players...and you really think Lonnie all of a sudden was playing defense harder on Madson because he heard the air ball chant???  Wow...sounds like a fan that needs a realization check on how much impact they really have.  Sure it is your opinion, but I have to say a terrible one with no real background to back it up.

Quote from: TommieFan2012 on March 01, 2009, 03:04:32 AM
Tonights game was a display of how much of a factor home court advantage can actually be. BU's free throws were terrible in the second half when they were facing the sea of white.  After Madson threw up that air ball, you could tell that the constant shouts of "air ball" every time he touched the ball for the rest of the game were affecting his play.  Even after he made some great plays, including a 4 point play, the fans did not let up on their shouts to him.  And after Laugen fouled out, the chants of "left right left right.... SIT DOWN!" were priceless.  My 3 highlights of the night: Joe scott on his 2 consecutive fast breaks.  Big Al's huge block! Anders' few dunks, the best of which being one that was negated because of a UST TO, an allyoop from BJ with an insane one hand throwdown.

An interesting tidbit I found out tonight, all of you complaining about Yorky's reffing, he also refs D1, and has 2 games in the big ten tourny this year.  Obviously with these credentials he is qualified as a D3 ref.

2012...you got to be kidding me.  You don't have a clue what you are talking about.  You obviously have never played basketball in front of a crowd before...as much as you would like to think the fans can get into a players head you are pretty much dead wrong.  It might happen to a young immature player, but never to a player of Madson's ability and maturity level. 

Last night's game was very very physical all night long out on the wings.  The refs were letting a lot of reaching left and right and Lonnie was banging Madson hard all night.  There were multiple stretches throughout the game that Madson was just gassed and you don't see that very often from him.  Lonnie did an amazing job on him on every possessing never taking one off.  Every time Timmy would drive and set up his stop and then turnaround jumper the Tommies would send a double team at him.  Man, Frits really knows how to coach.    Kudos to Lonnie and the Tommies (NOT THE FANS) for pounding on Timmy all night and taking him out of his game.

To the game as a whole it pretty much came down to Bethel not being able to break the press.  It was so frustrating to watch as a Bethel fan.  Sure it is a great press, but come on that many to's is absolutely rediculous and that was the name of the game.  I feel like if that game came down to a half court game Bethel wins that game by 8-10 points.  Bethel's half court play in the last 3 games against the Tommies has been better overall, but then the 20-30 points they give up on TO's gives Tommies the huge edge and eventually the W.  It lets the Tommies play free and relaxed just playing off of instincts when you have 5 or 6 straight fast break layups or dunks.  Every single possession Bethel had to work their butt off to even make it across half court and when they rarely managed to do that you felt like that was a win in itself but yet they hadn't put points up on the scoreboard yet.  Absolutely brutal...
Congrats to a great Career to Madson, Moberg, and Laugen...I look forward to playing in many of men's leagues with you guys. 

My prediction on the Tommies in the NCAA tourney...they will be bounced out in their first or second game.  There are too many teams out there in the tourney that will be able to beat there press and when it comes down to a half court game they will get out manned inside and get beat pretty bad...double digit loss when they go out in their first or second game.  I hope I am wrong and would love to see them win it all, but I just don't see that happening when you have to rely so much on your full court pressure and your 3's to win a game come tourney time.  With all that said though, good luck to the Tommies!  Represent the MIAC proudly!

I am sorry, but if you have any relation to the school whether it is being an alumni, or you have kids that go there, or even down to working at the school at some point,  you should not be able to ref/ump any sporting event for that school. 

I have yet to read one person on this board besides a Tommie backer that says Yorky is a fair and decent ref...of course you are going to say that if you are a Tommie fan.  I am sure Yorky is a good person, but you can't say that having two kids attending St Thomas doesn't play in his mind when he is on the court.  Absolutely ridiculous that he can ref such a big game like last night's game...very poor MIAC very poor.  Let's just hope for Bethel's sake that he isn't there Saturday night...but something tells me that he will be.

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Ok, so I am a Tommie fan (obviously, hence the name) and I do think that it is strange that they have him reffing UST games.  he has been a ref for longer than his kids have been in school here, so I dont think he should just be let go, but I do think that he should be reffing different games.  With that said, I don think that he has done a bad job reffing. He also did the SJU game, but I havent seen anybody complaining about that.  But just in case you bethel fans were wondering, he is not doing the game on saturday, his sons already bought him tickets to the game.  just something to keep in mind, he didn't ref either of the other two UST/BET games either.  I am hoping for a good solid game on Saturday, with plenty of emotion and excitement.  I expect my boys Nicolai, McCoy, Scott, Robinson, and Viau to throw it down though.  Good luck Bethel, and whoever wins, they obviously deserve a spot in the NCAA tourny, and I will be rooting for them to make a deep run!  I hope that Bethel gets a bid even if they lose, lets show the NCAA just how good we are!
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That is not the case...he was indeed refereeing the BET\UST game at the Shoe and he was absolutely terrible.  I wasn't going to say anything as I don't want to make excuses, but I bet he made 12 calls for UST compared to 4 for Bethel.  At one point I was counting it was so bad.  He gave Madson his second foul in the first 5 mins of the game on a terrible call. And then Vavra comes in and is playing really well and Yorky gave Vavra both his fouls in the first 3 mins he was on the floor.  That put both of them on the bench for the majority of the first half...am I making excuses for the loss, no, but man he was lopsided.  I guess it makes a little more sense now.  

Quote from: abominable_snowman on February 26, 2009, 11:04:51 PM

Quote from: wabbit on February 26, 2009, 06:22:05 PM

Quote from: TommieFan2012 on February 26, 2009, 05:53:54 PM
Actually, he has 2 sons that go here, but from what I have seen, he has for the most part been a decent ref.

Boy that sounds impartial...

So how does one get to be a ref in the MIAC anyway and does anyone watch over them to see how they are doing? Do they get graded at the end of the season?

1.  officials are evaluated by coaches. 
2.  officials are evaluated by assignors. 
3.  there are probably some other miac folks that put their 2 cents in as well for ratings. 

some if it is who you know, but you have to put in some time as a ref.  At a certain time, you put yourself out there to be seen and if you impress the observer - you're in.

i've had a couple run-ins with the "yorkys".  In my experience they  came across as very good guys, with a lot of respect for the game, and viewed wearing the stripes as a practically sacred duty.

I am sorry, but if you have any relation to the school whether it is being an alumni, or you have kids that go there, or even down to working at the school at some point,  you should not be able to ref/ump any sporting event for that school. 

I have yet to read one person on this board besides a Tommie backer that says Yorky is a fair and decent ref...of course you are going to say that if you are a Tommie fan.  I am sure Yorky is a good person, but you can't say that having two kids attending St Thomas doesn't play in his mind when he is on the court.  Absolutely ridiculous that he can ref such a big game like last night's game...very poor MIAC very poor.  Let's just hope for Bethel's sake that he isn't there Saturday night...but something tells me that he will be.

Quote from: Willy Wonka on February 19, 2009, 01:41:58 AM

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Quote from: Willy Wonka on February 18, 2009, 10:48:57 PM
Bethel 87, GAC 72

Cousin Ball: A secret agreement to let the player you're defending score at will if he/she does the same for you.
Van Sickle: 9/15 for season-high 27 points
Madson: 10/18 for 28 points

Sets up an interesting showdown Saturday between SJU and GAC to determine who's the biggest loser of the final two weeks.

AO - Just stop. For the love of everything holy, please stop.

Madson and Van Sickle didn't guard each other once all night...

Exactly

If you're saying they didn't ever matchup, I find that a little hard to believe. GAC guards have switched liberally for at least the past decade. While they have started using zone for the first time in years, I doubt the switching philosophy has changed since I saw them play in January...

I was saying they never matched up.  I was very surprised myself when watching the game that GAC wasn't switching much at all.  GAC definitely doesn't have the athletes this year that they have had in the past decade and that is what I pointed to when I didn't see them switch on every screen like they normally do.  I can't remember one time where Van Sickle was guarding Madson.  It was always either 12, 24, and a few times 20. 

Quote from: Willy Wonka on February 18, 2009, 10:48:57 PM
Bethel 87, GAC 72

Cousin Ball: A secret agreement to let the player you're defending score at will if he/she does the same for you.
Van Sickle: 9/15 for season-high 27 points
Madson: 10/18 for 28 points

Sets up an interesting showdown Saturday between SJU and GAC to determine who's the biggest loser of the final two weeks.

AO - Just stop. For the love of everything holy, please stop.

Madson and Van Sickle didn't guard each other once all night...