Quote from: CMR on December 12, 2016, 03:15:35 PM

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 11, 2016, 09:39:30 PM

Quote from: CMR on December 10, 2016, 03:45:14 PM
Embarrassing, totally embarrassing, losing to a 1-5 Averett team.  RMC hits a new low, not seen in this program in many years.  Responsibility starts at the top.

This seems a bit extreme. RMC is a good team, but they are going to go through some growing pains this season. That was to be expected even by those of us outside of the program and conference. Averett may look "subpar" at 1-5, but they are a good team. RMC is still trying to find himself. Give them some time to figure it out. Heck, they beat E&H last weekend, remember?

Probably is too extreme, but I was expecting last year to be that down year, with this year being more of a breakout year.  But, doesn't seem to be going that way (yet).

I don't think you're too extreme; Nathan Davis took a high bar and raised it even higher.  Though the season is young, we are only a couple of years removed from ODAC titles and NCAA tournament appearances.  R-MC has always had a strong basketball tradition, going back to its DII days.  I am also somewhat mystified how the quality could have fallen off so quickly.  I know Mike Rhoads had some tough years after taking over from Hal Nunnally, so I'm going to wait it out.  But I have no problems with having a higher standard attached to Randolph-Macon basketball.

Quote from: jknezek on November 15, 2016, 05:52:46 PM
JHU's offense was the best we faced all year. Big line. Really good running back and a pair of excellent receivers.   The QB was accurate and patient. They will be balanced and physical. I think RMC's defense can play with them, but I don't think the RMC offense I saw can score on them. Now maybe the QB switch has made that big of a difference, but I think RMC will end up wearing out there own defense by not staying on the field. My guess is a close low scoring game at halftime that JHU wins by two or three scores in the end. Hope I'm wrong.

Appreciate the analysis.  I'd like to see us win as well, but I'm having to manage expectations.  It gets old seeing the ODAC standard-bearer getting walloped in the first round every year.

Can anyone assess as to how the Centennial stacks up to the ODAC in football (we seem to have a similar school make-up)?

Anyone handicapped the R-MC/JHU game?  We have typically done poorly against the Blue Jays, though I like our chances this year much better than the previous ones.

I went to the Lynchburg/ Randolph-Macon game Saturday.  We were lucky to get out of there with a win.  LC has some guys who can play.

Quote from: tigerfanalso on February 08, 2013, 11:06:11 AM
JacketLawyer

Don't know about theregular season sweep, but I do know it does not happen often.

Your opinion; is HSC that good or is RMC an average team ? I don't pretend to know the answer.

I was told by good authority 1999-2000 was the last regular season sweep, but haven't checked it myself.  Looks like Algernon needs to get to work. 

My opinion is the Tigers are the best team in the ODAC this year.  I think R-MC is a young team and this is a learning year, but it's too late in the season now to use as an excuse (if there is ever is).  We were playing good ball going into the game on Wednesday and it was in Ashland, yet we still lost by 19 points.  VWC, Guilford, and Randolph are also in the conversation, but the Tigers are the best team, in my humble, objective opinnion.

Quote from: tigerfanalso on February 07, 2013, 10:32:49 AM
Enjoyed watching HSC totally dominate the Jackets last night in their house. Doesn't happen very often so you've got to enjoy the moment when it does happen. Not to be nasty but RMC just does not have anyone that can score from the outside. I've watched both games played against RMC this year and I've never seen a RMC team with less offensive punch. They play hard (as always) but just seem to be totally lost on offense. They are big and physical and if they had a couple scorers they would be very tough to beat. That said, Go Tigers !!!!

Ditto.  No more excuses for having a "down" year and a young team.  You won't hear that from me any more.  We were just dominated by a better squad; superior in every category.  I had to ask around but I think this was the first regular season sweep of the jackets by the Tigers since 1999-2000.  Shaver was still the coach then!

Quote from: y_jack_lok on January 12, 2013, 06:34:31 PM

Quote from: Seatfiller on January 12, 2013, 04:55:12 PM
Big day in the ODAC today:

Guilford takes down EMU 77-66
W and L loses big to HSC 41-61
#24 Randolph loses to VWC 66-72
E and H beats SU 66-56
Lynchburg beats down Roanoke 86-68
Bridgewater stuns at RMC 66-62

I'm stunned at the Macon score, either they had a really off day or Bridgewater is better than I thought

I watched the R-MC/Bridgewater game online. I don't think it was an "off day" for the Jackets, and Bridgewater is a decent team. I wondered back in November what kind of season the Jackets would have without any proven guards. And I was surprised by the pre-season #24 ranking, Not blaming the guard play in particular for the way the season has evolved, it just seems that there is some intangible ingredient missing that a team needs to get from average or slightly above to good or very good.

We're just not that good this year.   If I recall correctly, we had possession for more than enough time to make a final shot against Randolph, and we failed to take it.  It's getting close to mid-season and things haven't improved.  There is still plenty of time to turn it around, but now would be nice.

Quote from: jknezek on November 06, 2012, 04:05:35 PM

Quote from: tigerfanalso on November 06, 2012, 02:35:46 PM
Jknezek

I have my own thoughts but I'm curious of your opinion as to why the ODAC is not more competitive on the national stage in football.

I don't really have an answer for this, but the thoughts I do have are rather long. I'm going to start by changing the assumption. The ODAC doesn't need a bunch of teams that compete at the national level, very few conferences have that, it needs 1 team at a time to be relevant at the national level, but it needs at least one team MOST of the time. The ODAC has periodically had a nationally relevant team, but it has never consistently had a string of nationally relevant teams the way "power" conferences tend to do.

I think to become successful at the D3 level a lot of factors need to come together at once. You need the coach, you need the facilities, you need to devote the recruiting resources, you need a long term plan and devotion of resources to test yourself, and you need to get a little lucky in your recruiting. To stay on top you need to keep the coach, keep updating the facilities, keep providing resources to the recruiting and travel, and to be a little lucky overall.

I think the E&H teams of the early 90s were almost there. There were some excellent teams that just couldn't take the final step and make a (much, much, much) more limited playoff field. Bridgewater certainly had the components for a couple years, though it centered mainly on some truly outstanding recruiting classes that weren't sustained. Why not? I don't know. Bridgewater never struck me as being outsized in terms of the resources they devoted to football, the coach, while very good, never struck me as a genius. He's been there for 18 years and had a fantastic run for a few years in the middle, surrounded by mostly ODAC average teams. So they got some very good recruits, played with them as long as they could, and didn't sustain it.

Overall, I think the ODAC is a pretty typical D3 conference. I think most of the teams, top to bottom, would fit in with any but the very top conferences in the country (ASC, WIAC, NWC). The ODAC champion might not win the PAC, the CC, the MAC, the SAA, on a regular basis, but all the ODAC teams would be competitive within the conference. And the ODAC teams would run roughshod over the NEFC, the USAS (sans Huntingdon next year. Wait until the USAS gets a look at the monster they invited into their playground), and some of the other weak conferences.

The problem the ODAC has is a true lack of a power program. If you look at the major players on the national scene, they are usually the same teams for a 5-10 year period. Mt Union, UMHB, Linfield, Wesley and St. Thomas have all been kicking around recently. Prior to that St. Johns, Ithaca, Augustana, Wisconsin La Crosse, Rowan, W&J all were power teams. Most recently, of course, no one has touched UWW until this year.

So where is the ODACs power team? I see HSC and, to a lesser degree, RMC recently trying to take that mantle but not quite pulling it off. HSC tries the hardest. I say this because they are the only team consistently scheduling challenging non-conf games and pushing their envelope. Coach Favret took over a weakened program and has built it to the top of the ODAC. He schedules Huntingdon, Salibury, CNU and other playoff caliber teams on a regular basis. No other ODAC team really takes that route. Sadly it's just not working.

The question is why isn't it working? First, he's not getting the players. HSC is good. Top shelf of the ODAC, but they aren't dominating the conference. They aren't a more than a step above everyone else, and really there is usually a team on the same step, and that's just not enough quality. Two, I'm not sure Coach Favret can get them there. He's been there 13 years and he took a weakened program to the top of the ODAC. But if he hasn't turned it into a perennial contender by now, he probably can't. Three, is the institutional will there? I don't know enough about HSC to say. Are the facilities steps above the rest of the ODAC? Is his recruiting budget better? Does he have more assistant coaches? I don't know.

We'll use what I know best as an example. I loved W&L's previous coach. He was a great guy, but almost as long as he was there he was under .500. He graduated his players, had competitive teams if not good ones more often than not, and that was good enough for W&L. He was there until he wanted to leave, and I think that is pretty much the philosophy of most ODAC teams, and that's part of why they aren't national players.

Anyway, that's my thoughts on the ODAC. I know someone will bring up the number of schools and the competition for kids, the cost of tuition, etc. etc. I don't buy it. Ohio has as much competion as Virigina and it doesn't stop Ohio from generating top notch programs. The Liberty League costs as much if not more, and there is Hobart. Those are just two of many examples. It's about drive, resources, devotion and luck. I'm not sure the ODAC has the first 3 and only Bridgewater had the last one lately.

Finally, don't think I'm knocking Coach Favret. The guy is a great football coach for D3. He's done wonders at HSC and I have all the respect in the world for him and the HSC program. But that's different from asking me if I think he can turn HSC into a national contender...

Great post and analysis!

Quote from: tigerfanalso on November 06, 2012, 10:47:58 AM
Jacketlawyer, where have u been all season ? I hope your assessment of The Game is correct. After the whipping HSC received last year I hoping the Tigers are in the mood to return the favor.

Been a very busy fall!  

But I will be at The Game this year, hoping for an upset.  As has been discusseed many times on this board, in a rivalry game, anything can happen!  Arruza will have his players fired up for sure.

Quote from: jknezek on November 05, 2012, 04:54:27 PM
At home, HSC should have no problems with RMC. Having said that, they should have had no problems last year either, even though it was on the road. Can HSC rebound from seeing their post-season goal end? RMC played well last week, which is an improvement over the two previous weeks. RMC has known for a while they were probably out of it, so they may have a stronger mental state.

It is a rivalry game, so unless the teams are miles apart (think of the Monon Bell game lately) there really is no good basis for making a definitive statement.

HSC has better talent. RMC should be in a better place mentally. HSC should have a home field boost. When in doubt in the ODAC, go with the home team.

I personally think it has the makings of a long day for the Jackets.  The Tigers will be looking to make a statement after dropping a tough decision to the Gennies.  I really hope I am wrong about this.

Greetings Hasa!  Hope the off season was good to you.

This will be a sweeping generalization but I think it's too early to say what anyone will do for the rest of the season.  While I did not necessarily expect R-MC to beat JHU, I certainly thought they would make a better showing.  Hopefully we can right the ship with Averett this week.  I expect Guilford will figure it out as the season progresses.

Quote from: HSCTiger74 on August 29, 2012, 05:46:07 PM
Just a reminder that the 2012 ODAC pick 'em is up and running, and anyone with an interest is welcome to jump in and make your best guesses. Keep in mind, with a Friday night game this week picks should be in by 6:00 Friday evening.

Where are you posting the pick 'ems?

Quote from: 78rmc on January 18, 2012, 10:06:51 AM

Quote from: Jacketlawyer on January 18, 2012, 09:11:53 AM

Quote from: 78rmc on January 17, 2012, 02:19:55 PM
Interesting.....

http://athletics.rmc.edu/sports/mbkb/2011-12/releases/20120117feq5e5

Strange is more like it.

Lawyer, depending on you to give us an update from Lynchburg tonight, I'm assuming you'll be there?

78, typically I would be there but feel the flu coming on and I think I'm headed home after lunch to crawl into bed until it's gone.

Quote from: 78rmc on January 17, 2012, 02:19:55 PM
Interesting.....

http://athletics.rmc.edu/sports/mbkb/2011-12/releases/20120117feq5e5

Strange is more like it.

Quote from: 78rmc on January 03, 2012, 02:16:41 PM
I'll give HSC the early season nod, and say that HSC wins by 10+, maybe more.  From what I've seen in Ashland, HSC will beat the Jackets by 20+.

OUCH. We can't be that bad at 9-3. Can we?