Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 30, 2011, 10:26:02 PM

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Quote from: Always.A.Titan on November 29, 2011, 10:56:42 AM

Quote from: emma17 on November 29, 2011, 10:44:09 AM
Saturday was a tough loss and I'm sorry NCC wasn't able to advance to play Mt Union and possibly in the Stagg Bowl- and represent the CCIW.  I have been on the NCC bandwagon for a while- I actually had the game on the laptop while in the tailgate tent at UWW.  I missed some of the UWW 3rd period to watch the ending, hoping for a NCC defensive stop.  Which brings me to this question.
Did anybody look at the play of the week on the D3 home page?  It's the two-point conversion.  I'm curious to know whether you feel NCC was in a Man or Zone coverage, or some combination.  The NCC safety, #17, doesn't play the slot receiver like the other two defenders play their "man".  Considering how close the ball was to the goal line, that slot receiver was wide open.   

I think 1 of 2 things could have happened. Either the safety was misaligned in man coverage since he was 6-7 yards deep in the end zone OR the LB got too occupied with jamming the inside WR. I think they were playing zone judging from the safety's steps as well as the other LBs steps. It looks like the outside backer should have dropped to cover the quick stick/out route of the #2 receiver. Just my 2 cents

I think that is what happened as well; the LB was way to occupied with #3, although with the game on the line I would want a great jam on the #3 WR too. I'm assuming in a perfect world the OLB would jam #3 and continue to drop into the flats (MLB would have picked up the slant), since the there was no threat underneath his drop, he would most likely continue to drop; which would have put him right where #2 was. I think the FS got caught looking at QB.

I'm thinking NCC is in cover 4. I think if they were in man they would be in cover 1 which means there would be another DB  on the Trips side. There is only 3 defenders on the Trips side which would mean there is 2 defenders on the single WR side. Unless they played a Cover 2 on the backside and Man or Cover 0 on the front side.

Either way what a sickening way to end your season; tipped pass on a 2-pt conversion. Congratulations to the Cards and the Green Weenies for representing the CCIW well in the playoffs. The dream to watch NCC in the national championship will again be put to sleep.... until next year....

I think NCC was definitely in cover 4

While I sort of share your sentiments, going a collective 1-2 in the playoffs is NOT what I was counting on for 'representing the CCIW well'!   My d3photography.com bracket had them going 7-2!  (Needless to say, I don't even bother checking my standing anymore! )

lol... yeah, I hear you on that: NC in the finals and IWU in the semi's....

Nonetheless, I still think they represented the CCIW well, two heartbreakers at the end of the game. Both games could have gone the other way.

Quote from: Always.A.Titan on November 29, 2011, 10:56:42 AM

Quote from: emma17 on November 29, 2011, 10:44:09 AM
Saturday was a tough loss and I'm sorry NCC wasn't able to advance to play Mt Union and possibly in the Stagg Bowl- and represent the CCIW.  I have been on the NCC bandwagon for a while- I actually had the game on the laptop while in the tailgate tent at UWW.  I missed some of the UWW 3rd period to watch the ending, hoping for a NCC defensive stop.  Which brings me to this question.
Did anybody look at the play of the week on the D3 home page?  It's the two-point conversion.  I'm curious to know whether you feel NCC was in a Man or Zone coverage, or some combination.  The NCC safety, #17, doesn't play the slot receiver like the other two defenders play their "man".  Considering how close the ball was to the goal line, that slot receiver was wide open.   

I think 1 of 2 things could have happened. Either the safety was misaligned in man coverage since he was 6-7 yards deep in the end zone OR the LB got too occupied with jamming the inside WR. I think they were playing zone judging from the safety's steps as well as the other LBs steps. It looks like the outside backer should have dropped to cover the quick stick/out route of the #2 receiver. Just my 2 cents

I think that is what happened as well; the LB was way to occupied with #3, although with the game on the line I would want a great jam on the #3 WR too. I'm assuming in a perfect world the OLB would jam #3 and continue to drop into the flats (MLB would have picked up the slant), since the there was no threat underneath his drop, he would most likely continue to drop; which would have put him right where #2 was. I think the FS got caught looking at QB.

I'm thinking NCC is in cover 4. I think if they were in man they would be in cover 1 which means there would be another DB  on the Trips side. There is only 3 defenders on the Trips side which would mean there is 2 defenders on the single WR side. Unless they played a Cover 2 on the backside and Man or Cover 0 on the front side.

Either way what a sickening way to end your season; tipped pass on a 2-pt conversion. Congratulations to the Cards and the Green Weenies for representing the CCIW well in the playoffs. The dream to watch NCC in the national championship will again be put to sleep.... until next year....

Lol.. of course it's to stir things up, it's a discussion board.

Okay, so let me explain a little here to make more sense. C. Worth, J. Beaver, L. Coppage were all great RB's for UWW right in a row. Some may say that UWW just get outstanding RB's, this maybe the case. However, anyone that knows anything in the coaching world knows Steve Dinkel at UWW. He is an outstanding OL coach that has wrote several books, as well as a DVD series. When I said product of a system I meant you can plug any good RB at UWW and their productivity will be as same as Coppage (IMO). UWW is known for the biggest, meanest O-Linemen in D-3 (do I dare say NAIA, D2?). You look back to UWW NCC I you could have driven a truck through some of those holes. I am not taking anything from those RB's at UWW, all I'm saying their Oline has be awesome that past 8+ years.

In retrospect, yeah I spoke out of my limits to say Coppage might not have started at NCC.... but it does make one wonder...

As for recruitment: NCC vs UWW: also keep in mind NCC academic standards are far more strenuous then UWW. This will limit some high profile D3 recruits. I personally spoke to an athlete at UWW that got into the school with a 16 ACT. I just don't see NCC letting a student in with that kind of score, and never heard of such things.

Nonetheless, those that have been on the CCIW board knows I like to stir up things... I find it fun to look at different views, even if they're wrong. It's the fruit of life 

Happy Holidays

Quote from: T_Unit14 on December 18, 2010, 09:55:12 PM
a few quick points...congrats to Wenger (and Coppage and Leipold) first and foremost and then onto the Stagg and the status of NCC on the national scene...

I think when you try to gauge NCC against the likes of WW and MU, today is not what you want to use.  Both teams were on their back up QB's and MU QB was making his first start in the NC game...that would be tough in a playoff game much less the NC game.  I guarantee you are going to see Piloto and Brekke starting for these teams again in the future, but there is a better QB on each of the WW and MU rosters.  Think about how many turnovers each team had coming into this game and then you see them both combine for 9?  This wasn't either teams best game.  I'm not making excuses for either team, I'm just stating the facts.

MU may have out game planned themselves with abandoning the run and throwing a crazy amount with a back up QB but that is why Kehres is where he is and has accomplished what he has.  I think you look at the depth of both teams and that is something that NCC needs to improve on.

With that all said, I think MU without Seaman is = to NCC.  I think NCC was by far our toughest game of the year on many different levels.  I would have a hard time not ranking them #3 in the country.  In regards to the "elite" status, what does that consist of?  It's one thing to get to these big games and its a whole other thing to win them and win them consistently.  WW still sees Mount as their goal to reach.  NCC needs to realize they can never become "satisfied".  WW took that first loss in the Stagg Bowl and used it as motivation...that whole next year was "unfinished business" and from there this team simply has played with a chip on it's shoulder and always found something to strive for.

I think NCC has the coaching staff in place and they have laid the ground work.  Now it is a matter of reloading every year and building that depth.  I think the more interesting thing I look at with NCC here is something many probably didn't even think about yet.

What is NCC's emergence as a top tier team do for recruiting in the Chicago area?  Most of the better recruits who get passed over by DI and DII teams have ended up going to UWW if they were recruited.  Now that NCC has emerged do they start "putting up a fence" around the Chicago area?  Imagine what a NCC team would look like with Illinois native Levell Coppage tooting the rock on offense and Matt Wenger destroying people on defense.  I know I wouldn't want face that team.  Or how about a defense that would have had the likes of AJ Raebel or any of the outstanding Illinois/Chicago area studs WW has had.  It will be interesting to see if WW continues to pull these kids to Wisconsin or if they start staying at home.

I think North Central gets the majority of the recruits they want from the area. Coppage is a product of the system... I'm not even sure if he would start at NCC, bold statement? Sure, but the truth. Guys like Reabel & Wenger weren't highly recruited out of HS, they were good players in HS and they worked their tails off and became a player well beyond expectations.

As for the transfers: Over the past 5 years NCC has had transfers for Indiana, Illinois, Northern Illinois, Toledo, Western Illinois, Eastern Illinois and even UW-Whitewater

So I wouldn't say transfers and high recruited HS athletes choose UWW. I think over the years NCC has proven that they get great Chicago area recruits and transfers... How do you think they got to the top? I don't think there were many recruits the past few years NCC didn't get who they wanted.

Thorne was ROBBED for COY in the region... Geezzz what else does Thorne have to do?...  Win the CCIW 5 years in a row? Win the North Region? Lose one game all year to the defending champs? Beat 4 top 25 teams in the same year?


ROBBED!

Hicks and Garza I believe will both be back in 2011

Congrats to NCC for an outstanding season.

The INT by the DT is just an unorthodox lucky play for UWW... but I'll give credit where it's deserved.

Great game to watch... not so great outcome.

Very impressed with Ponx and his defense this year. Not surprised by it, he's a great coach.

Looking forward to the 2011 season already...

Congrats the Wheaton on a fine season and representing the CCIW with class as always (cringing).


Revenge will be sweet this Saturday. Cards look tough to beat against ONU. ONU is a GOOD football team, just look at their track record this year. For the exception of MUC they ran through the OAC and the Cards handled them quite well. I truly believe this year NCC team is a team of destiny to Salem. It's FINALLY time for a new team to rise.

Watch for NCC to shock UWW with a +14 win.

Also, watch for UMHB to win and give NCC another home playoff game.

Get your popcorn ready...

Congratulations to the cards!!

Seeds really mean nothing. If you want to be considered the best, you have to beat the best.

Let's get it this year!

I heard 1st team all-conf. returning defensive tackle Robert Champion will not be reporting to camp for the cardinals. Not great news for the cards, but I'm sure someone is waiting for the opportunity.

Quote from: CardinalAlum on July 24, 2010, 12:22:52 PM

Quote from: hyrooster on July 24, 2010, 09:34:53 AM
I think the one of the most significant parts of USee's post was picking up the key departure of Coach Wienke at NCC. You rarely see a coach listed that way and even though I believe the NCC machine will keep on rolling Coach Wienke's passion for NCC and football will be missed.
Thanks for the indirect compliment.   

No doubt his passion will be missed!  He is a great coach and a great guy.  To be fair though, I am looking for the NCC defense to defend the pass better than we have in recent years.  I'm not sure our schemes were very sound against the pass. 

IMO, Coach Ponx is the best coach on staff at NCC. He will not let the Cardinal Nation down. Coach Wienke is a big loss for the program because he was well respected by the players; more then any coach on staff. I agree with you that the Card defense is going to be much better in the post season then in recent years.

From what I hear Coach Wienke is the DC at York H.S. in Elmhurst... a possible Lester/Wienke reconnect in later years?

Quote from: USee on June 14, 2010, 03:08:57 PM
This is based on what I know now. This doesn't include information on injured or non-returning starters nor does it include potential 5th year returners.

CCIW Predicted order of finish:
North Central
Wheaton
Augie
Millikin
IWU
Carthage
Elmhurst
North Park

North Central
Returning starters: 16: 6 off, 10 def
Key losses: Aaron Fanthorpe, QB; Jim Janacek, DL, Dominic Sulo, RB; Josh Delancy OT, Coach Weinke
Key returners: Matt Wenger, LB; Steve Hlavac, WR; Kyle Antos, OL; Derek Sulo, DB, Robert Champion, DL
Non Conference schedule: @Cornell (Iowa), @Olivet, UWEC
Key conference games: @Augie Oct 19, @Wheaton Nov 6
Outlook: The Cardinals should be the hands down favorite again in the CCIW. Despite losing stars Aaron Fanthorpe and Dominic Sulo they have built imposing depth in the younger ranks and return promising QB Spencer Stanek as well as a dangerous and experienced group of skill players. On Defense they return All American candidate Matt Wenger, All Conference players Robert Champion and Derek Sulo from injury to join Willie Hayes, Joe Schneiderbaur, Josh Mcleod, and 7 other returning starters giving them impressive depth in what should be a nationally ranked defense. The schedule is favorable for the Cardinals as the only long conference road trip is Rock Island. They face Millikin, Carthage, and IWU in Naperville. If they stay healthy and they become a dominant defensive team, I see a deep run into the playoffs for this team.
Prediction: 10-0, conference champs
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Wheaton College:
Returning starters: 13: 5 off, 8 def
Key losses: Sean Norris, QB/P; Freddy Ellis, WR; Nick Theobald, DT; Brian Hollet, DB; Coach Walt Whitehead
Key returners: Rocky Gingg RB; Charlie Velling, RB; Brian McMullen, DB; Tyler Langs, DB; Jordan Langs, LB
Non Conference schedule: @Albion, UW Platteville, @Olivet
Key Conference games:@Elmhurst Oct 9; @Augie Oct 30; vs NCC Nov 6
Outlook: The Thunder faded down the stretch for the 2nd time in 3 seasons last year and Coach Mike Swider is hoping for a stronger finish. On offense they return two 1st team CCIW running backs in Gingg and Velling which should take the load off the much what will be a rookie QB. Jordan Roberts and Griffin Kuhn will likely battle it out at QB. Zeller, Antal, Watkins and McLain are a talented group of WR and will provide veteran presence for the young QB. Questions remain in the offensive line where Coach Geoff Dart (Mt Union all conference OL) takes over for retired OL coach Walt Whitehead in Joe Davis' up tempo attack. On defense the thunder return 12 players who played in every game as well as All CCIW Tyler Langs at corner who sat out 2009 with an injury. With a year of the 3-4 under their belt and depth in the defensive backfield as well as at LB, the Thunder defense should be fairly stout. If the OL can come together and open holes for the running game, Wheaton  should be deep enough to challenge North Central and an opportunity to secure at least a Pool C in the post season.
Prediction: 8-2 2nd place.
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Illinois Wesleyan University
Returning starters: 7: 3 off; 4 def
Key losses: Scalcucci, WR; Messina, WR; Ladd, QB; Boothe, OT; Flood, C; Pope, TE; Ammirati, DE; Nickolich, LB; Hunter, DB; Beauchamp, DB
Key returners:Max Brooks, DT; Ryan Jenkins, DE; Dan Rogers LB; PJ Cummings, db; Brien Rooney, QB; Dayton Burnett, WR; Eli Williams, RB
Non Conference schedule: @Hope, Alma, @Aurora
Key Conference games: @Wheaton Oct 2; @NCC Oct 23, @Augie Nov 13
Outlook: The Titans had a senior laden team in 09 and will pay for it in 2010. With just 7 returning starters they will count on a number of young players to step up and contribute in a stronger CCIW. Brien Rooney has proven he is ready to be an All CCIW performer and Eli Williams is an explosive runner. Dayton Burnett is a burner and will be counted on to stretch the defense along with Joey Driver. On defense IWU was decimated by graduation but the 4 returners are all 1st team CCIW players in Brooks DL, Jenkins DL, Rogers LB and Cummings DB. Ryan Gresko also played in every game at LB (he was the 4th LB when they played a 3-4 defense) and is a veteran who will easily step into a starting role at LB. Coach Norm Eash has had some success the past few years and if he and Mike Murray have capitalized on that in recruiting they may be able to reload. This year will be telling for Titan nation. Their schedule is much tougher with games on the road @Wheaton to open the conference, @NCC and @Augie.
Prediction: 7-3; 3rd place
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Augustana College
Returning starters: 11: 6 off; 5 def
Key losses: Blaine Westemeyer, OT; Jake Parke, RB/WR; Eric Meyer, LB; Aaron Setchell, LB; Jeff Daisy, DT
Key returners: David Lee, QB; Robert Wood, RB; Alex Shroeder, DB; Brandon Holl, LB
Non Conference schedule: @Greenville, Central, IA, @Adrian, Mi
Key Conference games: vs NCC Oct 9, vs Wheaton Oct 30
Outlook: Augie did not perform up to their standards in 09. They have 11 starters back but only 1 of them was an all conference performer. They will have to rely on unproven underclassmen to step up in key producing roles if they want to keep pace with the top of the conference. They return all conference running back Robert Wood and 3 starting OL. David Lee is back at the helm after averaging 211 yds per game in total offense. Alex Schroeder and John Mago return to lead a defense that lead the league in turnover margin in 09. In their 4 losses they averaged 12.5 pts a game offensively, getting shutout once. They get NCC, Wheaton and IWU at home this year and if they find a consistent offense they will be dangerous.
Prediction: 6-4 4th place
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Millikin University
Returning starters: 17:10 off, 7 def
Key losses:Hector Galvan, DE; Bobby Galichio, LB; Devi Greer, DB
Key returners: Luke Hockaday, QB; Will Roth, TE; Dion Wilson, RB; Brian Blombquist OL; Chase Gruening, DT; Josh Ingold, LB; Cody Acree, DB
Non Conference schedule:@Illinois College, Hope, Greenville
Key Conference games: v Augie Oct 2 (conference opener), @NCC Oct 16, v Wheaton Nov 13
Outlook: Millikin is returning virtually their entire offense and most of the key contributors to their defense from a 6-4 team. They had 7 all CCIW players in 2009 and 6 of them return led by 1st team running back Dion Wilson. With 4 of their OL returning Wilson should have plenty of running room and Luke Hockaday was a dangerous qb who will have a year under his belt. Defensively the Big Blue have to replace Hector Galvan and Bobby Galichio in the front seven but return all conference players Chase Grueining, DE, LB Josh Ingold and DB Cody Acree. Millikin will be a better team than they were last year at 6-4. If  Wilson runs wild, Hockaday becomes a consistent playmaker and their defense can stop the run Millkin could challenge for a high finish in the CCIW.
Prediction: 7-3 5th place
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Carthage College
Returning starters: 5 off; 7 def
Key losses: Nick Merchut, WR; Jeff Koeneman, WR; Alex Annes, DL;
Key returners: Evan Jones, QB; Terrence Clark, OL; Mike Koeneman, WR; Tyler Funk, K; Brett Hogen, DL; TJ Jordan; DL
Non Conference schedule: Franklin, @Lakeland, @Concordia (Wisc)
Key Conference games: @NCC to open the conference; Augie Oct 16; @Wheaton Oct. 23
Outlook: The return of superstar QB Evan Jones as well as All American Kicker Tyler Funk will make the Carthage offense a scoring threat everytime they cross the 50 yd line. If Jake Smith can help add a running attack to this potent offense, the Redmen will be dangerous in 2010. Offensive line has Terrance Clark (1st Team All CCIW) but has to replace 3 other starters. In addition to 7 defensive starters the Redmen get a healthy Brett Hogen and TJ Jordan to bolster a deep and experienced LB core where they have 6 players coming back with significant experience. They are undersized on defense but that's how they roll. Expect a pressure attack as usual from this scrappy defense. Road games to open the season @NCC and then back to back v. Augie and  @Wheaton make for a tough conference slate.
Prediction: 4-6 6th place
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Elmhurst College:
Returning starters: 14: 6 off; 8 def;
Key losses: Blake Veldhuis WR, Lex Cisler, TE; Joe Stumpfoll, DT; Matt Robbins, DT; Kurt Nitschke, DE
Key returners: Randy Wright, LB; Jon Janus, DB; Brandon Jones, LB; Scottie Williams, RB, Nick Herrera, RB
Non Conference schedule:@Loras, @Olivet, University of Chicago
Key Conference Games: Wheaton, Oct 9; @IWU Oct 16; vs. NCC, Oct 30,
Outlook: The Bluejays are a wildcard in the conference race this year. They return 14 starters including virtually their entire 2 deep at LB and DB. Holes on the defensive line and at WR will be key for them. Freshman Joe Furco will need to grow up quickly but having 4 starters back on the OL will help. Scottie Williams is an explosive RB and Randy Wright (lead conf in tackles) and Brandon Jones lead arguably the best LB group in the conference. Jon Janus, Dane Paul and Jamall Lane will allow Head Coach Tim Lester to apply steady pressure to opposing offenses. The schedule is friendly as Elmhurst gets Wheaton, NCC and Augie at home but back to back road trips to Bloomington and Decatur loom as a roadblock in the middle of the conference schedule. If their QB grows up and they can find some solid DL replacements, Elmhurst will challenge every week behind what could be one of the better defenses in the league.
Prediction:4-6; 7th place
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North Park University
Returning starters: 17: 8 off, 9 def
Key losses: Shelby Wood, QB; Joe Cullotta, DB; Ramon Lacey, LB
Key returners: Rakim Jones, RB; Sam Cochiaro, WR; Michael Lee, RS/RB; Nick Pantaleo, DB; Rod Ojong, LB
Non Conference schedule: Aurora, Benedictine, MacMurray
Key Conference games: v Elmhurst Oct 2, @Carthage Oct 30
Outlook: The big questions North Park faces is how many players will return and how improved are they? Their success (or lack of) will depend on how many of the 17 returning starters end up playing quality time. In addition, Scott Pehthel has to add new players to this mix, particularly on the OL and DL in order to continue to make progress. If NPU can retain their starters and add some new ones to the mix they should continue to make progress and I think they have a chance to notch their first conference victory in many seasons.
Prediction: 3-7 8th place
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Well done! I enjoyed the insight.

Quote from: lakeshore on May 07, 2010, 08:43:31 PM
I love all the recruiting talk on here...its very obvious why the CCIW is one of the premiere football conferences in the country with the caliber of recruits the schools are obtaining.  I have heard numerous IL HS coaches say when they have a player that gets overlooked by bigger schools they immediately turn him on to the CCIW. 

With that said I would like to initiate a little buzz on here by ranking the toughest stadiums to play in the conference (IMHO of course!)

1.  Carthage's Art Keller Field - when they pack it out it can be boisterous and with many beverages being consumed the fans can get a little volatile towards visiting teams which makes it tough.  As with many other stadiums if its empty its not the same.

2.  Wheaton's McCully Stadium - with the Metra train cruising by, the huge jumbotron peering over the field and the glow of the Billy Graham center lighting up the turf Wheaton's home is a tough place to win.  This may be the toughest.  Website says Wheaton is 42-4 at home since 2000.  That's amazing.

3.  IWU's Wilder Field - The grass never seems to be in good condition here and the visitors have to dress under the stadium in a leeky old bathroom.  Plus the band is big and loud.

4.  NCC's Benedetti-Wehrle Stadium - The sheer size of the home bleachers is imposing (although never full) and the Cardinals recent run of championships makes opponents always the underdog.

5.  Millikin's Lindsey Field - I put this about Augie's because of the good old hump or crown in the grass field and the nasty smell of the rubber plant lingering in the air.  Student support has been down however but hopefully Neibur has it turned around.

6.  Augie's Ericson Field - the baby blue track is always weird to see and knowing the tradition and history Augie has on their home turf is tough to overcome.  Plus Rock ISland is a long haul from all the CCIW schools.

7.  Elmhurst's Langhorst Field - probably a bit underated here as I alwasy enjoy games here.  I love the dorms and campus buildings that are built right on top of the field and they have a huge grill cooking next to the home bleachers where you can see the smoke hovering and smell the tasty burgers cooking.

8.  NPU's Holmgren Complex - the lack of visitor bleachers, visitor locker rooms and NPU's lack of success place this stadium last.

Great discussion! I'll put in my top three as a NCC Alum:

1. Millikin's Lindsey Field- Always a tough road trip. Playing on the crowned field that always seems wet was never a road favorite. The grass field and surroundings were always a tough place to play.

2. NPU's Holmgren Complex- Walking two city blocks in full gear is terrible. Not to mention the traffic on the way there that is alway frustrating. The fans sit right on top of your head on the sideline, there is no place to go during half time so your stuck off to the side by a river. Dispute, NPU's record they always play NCC tough for a scary first half.

3. Wheaton's McCully Stadium - Although only 20 mins away, McCully Stadium is always packed for the rivalry. Brass Bell implications and usually a top seed in the cciw hunt make the game a big one. The home bleachers packed and train the rolls in periodically through out the game make this place a tough loud place to play.

Quote from: Mugsy on April 07, 2010, 05:42:32 PM

Quote from: shark56 on April 07, 2010, 12:05:01 AM
lol... easy coming from a North Park alumni... what's the streak? 10 years now? North Central builds champions on and off the field (along with many other teams in the CCIW). There is a huge connection between winning football games and being successful in life. It might sound smug, however, it is fair to say that anyone that is used to winning year after year, striving to be the best every opportunity possible, becomes a custom to that competitiveness.  That will carry on to anything after graduation and into life.

IMO, school like NCC, AC, WC are obvious choices for any D3 athlete.

I think it is fair to say you missed much of what GS was trying to say and focused more on winning percentage on the football field (the fact NCC has beaten NPU 10 years in a row?).  

On a side note, so are you saying it is not possible to "strive to be the best at every opportunity possible" or to learn from ones dedication/commitment to football that will carry on to anything after graduation or in life if you play on a losing team?  Are you saying because one plays for NPU it will not be possible to learn from the experience of participating in collegiate sports, apply it to whatever vocation you choose and make a difference in the world or be "successful".  

I would have to say I completely disagree with your view.  While there is something to learn or gain from success and winning, I do NOT think the experience of participating in collegiate athletics and what can be applied to whatever you do post college (business, family, etc...) is driven by whether or not your team wins or loses.  

I could easily compile a long list what can be learned from playing college sports that have nothing to do with wins or loses that have significant application to life, but I'm rambling already...

Real quick... how about dedication, commitment, time management, team work, continual striving to be the best, never giving up, leadership, knowing your role, setting and reaching goals, overcoming hardship and setbacks, etc...  NONE of these are only applicable to those who play for winning teams.

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IMO, school like NCC, AC, WC are obvious choices for any D3 athlete.

If primary criteria is successful football programs, then yes... those would be valid options.  Incidentally you'd need to include IWU as well.  

Every single CCIW school has a number of reasons why it would be an obvious choice depending on criteria such as; offered degree programs, campus location, financial aid, enrollment size and yes, another factor would be athletic programs (but that is not the sole factor).

Sure... thats the politically right thing to say.  "Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is...." I think that statement carries on to everything in life.

LOL... Don't get me wrong, I know what GS and NT were saying but when I read it for some reason I decided to go on a rant about the correlation between success on the football field and success in life. I have no clue why but I stand by it. Trying to spice thing up I suppose.

and I didn't mean to cut IWU short I was naming a few... and I still might be a little upset about last years out come

Quote from: Gregory Sager on April 06, 2010, 05:19:41 PM

Quote from: New Tradition on April 01, 2010, 06:34:49 PMAlthough I'm intrigued by the Cornell matchup simply because when I was deciding where to go to college, I had it narrowed down to Cornell and NCC.  (In hindsight I obviously made the right choice, although at the time Cornell was coming off a 7-3 season while NCC was only able to muster a 3-7 effort.)

You "obviously made the right choice"? I don't see the obviousness in it. Of course, if your team's success on the gridiron is your sole criterion for validating your choice of college -- or even your primary criterion for validating it -- then, yes, you made the right choice. North Central was better in football than Cornell during your student era, so, if that's your Holy Grail when it comes to choosing a school, you chose wisely. But that's not a universal truism for every former college student -- even for a football alumnus -- so it's therefore not "obvious."

I'm not trying to be snarky here or to bust your chops out of boredom or malice or some misplaced sense of superiority. (Especially not the latter; one of the colleges to which I applied when I was seventeen drew my interest solely because the girls pictured in the school brochure were hot. And, no, the college in question was not a CCIW school. ) I'm simply saying that there are countless reasons for choosing a college, whether you're a student-athlete or just a student at large. Potential for team success in one's sport is only one of those reasons. Furthermore, when you come to the end of your college career, or even years afterward, you might reach the conclusion that your initial reason for choosing the school was not a particularly sound one, even if the experience turned out to be positive and you're now a supportive alumnus or alumna of the school.

If wins and losses on the football field are what validate for you in retrospect your choice of North Central over Cornell, that's fine, of course. It's your life. But it's not obvious, because not everybody starts with your set of preconceptions nor sees it all the same way you do in hindsight ... not even, I would dare to guess, your fellow Cardinals football alumni.

lol... easy coming from a North Park alumni... what's the streak? 10 years now? North Central builds champions on and off the field (along with many other teams in the CCIW). There is a huge connection between winning football games and being successful in life. It might sound smug, however, it is fair to say that anyone that is used to winning year after year, striving to be the best every opportunity possible, becomes a custom to that competitiveness.  That will carry on to anything after graduation and into life.

IMO, school like NCC, AC, WC are obvious choices for any D3 athlete.