Quote from: sac on February 13, 2010, 07:00:27 PM

Quote from: bulldogalum on February 13, 2010, 05:17:13 PM

Quote from: CometFan on February 13, 2010, 04:55:56 PM
After the worst officiated game I have witnessed this year, Olivet drops another close one to Adrian.  Seems to me that the Comets tend to play to the level of their opponents.

Given the current MIAA standings, you must be saying that Olivet played better than usual today.

I had to take time off my hiatus to give you +k for that one

........also it makes a better argument complaining about officiating if the other team didn't shoot fewer FT's and have more fouls.......and the other teams best player and best big man didn't foul out of the game either.

http://www.miaa.org/mbb/stats/0910/0213olad.htm

Thanks, Sac.  I returned from a bit of a hiatus myself for that comment.

Sadly, I didn't see the game today, but I know Olivet is a solid team, and it certainly means a lot for the Bulldogs to have a regular season sweep over a good team like that.

Quote from: CometFan on February 13, 2010, 04:55:56 PM
After the worst officiated game I have witnessed this year, Olivet drops another close one to Adrian.  Seems to me that the Comets tend to play to the level of their opponents.

Given the current MIAA standings, you must be saying that Olivet played better than usual today.

http://adrianbulldogs.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/030909aab.html

Quote from: wiz on March 05, 2009, 09:21:18 AM

Quote from: miaafan2 on March 05, 2009, 08:36:22 AM
For those of us who are neither Hope or Calvin fans, could we please give "the rivalry" a rest?  While I'm as competitive as anyone, it is after all only a basketball game!

Going a step further, do Hope and Calvin fans take their witness seriously?  Do they think that their conduct during basketball games has no effect on their witness?  Is it just "innocent" fun when a fan trips or tackles a fan from the other school?  How about throwing items onto the court after the other team wins the championship?  What about adult fans who yell (and swear and threaten) fans from the other team?  As a Christian, I am disgusted at the witness of both Hope and Calvin from this past weekend...

You are a Hope fan, evne though you try to disguise it because it is only fair to be neutral and support all teams, blah, blah, blah.  I wouldn't be surprised if you are a retired minister or professor.

In a previous post, you wrote, I've had the experience over the last few years that while I enjoy competition as much as anyone, once the athletic contest is over, it is over.  My self esteem is not changed by whether "my" team won or lost, and I certainly hope that none of the player's self esteem has been changed, at least in the long run.


Well, I believe in the rivalry and, like you, I too am so worried about self-esteem that I really feel for those Platteville players that might be looking at this site and read how we're all ganging up on them and coming together for Hope to send these poor cheese-heads to the depths of defeat and despair.  What kind of witness might that be?  So, I guess I'll just have to support UWP this time around.

Do whatever you feel you need to do, wiz, but realize that any Hope win at this point makes the MIAA look better.  I don't root for Hope very often, but when they're representing our conference in the postseason, I'll make an exception.

Quote from: GoVols on March 02, 2009, 05:32:16 PM
Veldhouse first team, McCain second team and Michael Staley nothing?
Shaking my head.

The Veldhouse thing has to be a career achievement award, not based on this season, it definitely had me scratching my head.  I was thrilled to see Matt Wayne recognized, I thought for sure he'd have to wait until next year to get any sort of honors.  He was, at least as far as I'm concerned, the most improved player in the league this year.  But as happy as I was for Wayne, I feel really bad for Staley.  He made a significant impact on the floor this year, and thought he deserved at least a second team honor.  Unfortunately, I don't have a vote on such matters.

Quote from: HOF on February 25, 2009, 11:58:20 PM
Did Coach Buck Riley have all of his son's on the bench tonight?  I just saw some coaches I've never seen, then I went to the website and didn't see any of the son's on the website.  Special occasion?  Retiring?  Was it his son's, maybe not?

Congrats to Desmond Young.  Always liked watching him play and was never flashy, a great combo for a great player and one of the best in the MIAA.  I love that 15 foot jumper, nobody really has an answer for that.

Best of luck to all....I've been reading all year, but have remained out of the loop.

That's Buck's son Scott.  He's been assisting all year, so it wasn't a special occasion or anything.

Olivet 81
Adrian 76

When you look at the stats, by and large, they look OK for the Bulldogs.  For several games now, they have been much more efficient offensively than they've been all year, but the last two games have yielded unsavory results. 

Olivet is a good team, and they did a nice job executing their gameplan.  They made shots when they needed to, and their best players did not disappoint.  They will not be an easy out in the tournament next week. 

Adrian needs to improve in two key areas if it expects to make a run in the MIAA tournament.  They need to improve defensively, and they need to focus on boxing out.  Obviously, these are very big areas, and the actual issues are somewhat smaller than that, but if they can just get back to basics and do all the small things well, I know they can make some serious noise next week.  I still feel like this team has a good run in it, and it's now or never for the guys to prove me right.

As for the new gym at Olivet:  generally, I like it.  It's a bright facility, and I love the light pouring into the lobby area.  I like the way the seats are set up, and they didn't make the mistake of making the arena too big capacity-wise for their needs.  One thing I really don't like, though:  both teams, in order to get to their locker rooms, must walk through the lobby/concession area.  That strikes me as an unfortunate design flaw, since, especially at halftime, I'd imagine the last thing the players and coaches would want to do is have to work their way around the line for hot dogs.  Other than that, though, it's a nice facility.

As for the tournament next week, I have a feeling this might be the year some of the higher seeds are upset.  That said, I wouldn't be surprised if most of the higher seeds made it to the weekend.  It just seems to me that this year, the talent levels are so close that anything really can happen.  As I already wrote, I think the Bulldogs still have a good run in them, but I've been wrong before.  I know that they've had a lot of tough losses this year, but as tough as it's been to deal with them, 3 wins next week would more than make up for all of it.  I hope the players embrace the challenge in front of them.

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 19, 2009, 06:02:14 PM

Quote from: formerd3db on February 19, 2009, 05:49:37 PM
This may have been "overlooked" perhaps, yet does anyone have any comments regarding QB Steven Threet's (Adrian native) announcement that he is transferring from Michigan?  I wonder what goes?  Seems he is not quite sure just what he wants to do.  He enrolls early at Georgia Tech in 2007, then transfers to Michigan early fall and has to sit out the 2007 season.  He then starts 8 of Michigan's games this past season in 2008.  Now unless he transfers down a level to DII or DIII (or FCS), he'll have to sit out another season.  I think if he is smart, he'll go to a school where he doesn't have to sit out another year.  Then again, I'm not sure that he know just what the heck he wants to do.   Thoughts anyone? 

I hear that bulldogalum has him on stake-out 24/7!

You must have me on stake-out 24/7! 

I really can't figure what the deal is with Threet's decision to transfer.  Certainly it's possible that one of the freshmen would beat him for the starting spot, but my guess is that it would have been at least a 50% chance that he'd be the guy at the beginning of the year next season.  As a Michigan fan, I appreciated the effort he gave last season, despite his struggles.  I think Michigan is a worse team in the short run because of his transfer.  All I can hope is that things work out well, both for him and for the Wolverines.  Of course, if he chose to place a call to Coach Lyall, I wouldn't complain either .

By the by, looks like Olivet and Alma are in the second overtime.  Great game going on up there.

Hope 97
Adrian 79

I really don't know what to say.  Every time I feel like Adrian is finally starting to play great basketball, they get smacked back.  Really don't know what to make of this game.    

It's pretty hard to figure out what happened just looking at the livestats, but there certainly was a lot of offense.  Hope shot something like 64% from the floor for the game, but that number was much closer to 70% while the starters were still playing.  Hope really took its foot off the gas toward the end to keep from scoring 100.

Offensively, it didn't look like Adrian did that poorly.  They shot over 50%, and got what appeared to be good games from Staley and Young.  I'll defer to the Hope contingent on the actual details of the game.

Hope up 26 on Adrian at the half.  Need an update from someone who knows what the heck is going on at DeVos...Hope shot 72% in the first half--was it unbelievable shooting by Hope, awful defense by Adrian, or some combination thereof? 

Quote from: scottiedawg on February 17, 2009, 10:03:12 PM

Quote from: bulldogalum on February 17, 2009, 09:52:02 PM

Quote from: scottiedawg on February 17, 2009, 09:29:31 PM

Quote from: knightmoves on February 17, 2009, 08:31:22 PM
MVPs help their teams win titles, not miss key shots when it counts the most. Mantel has come of age this year & has my MVP vote, although admittedly biases.

Again, this comes down to the whole definition of "Most Valuable Player."  Is it the best player on the team that gets the farthest, the most outstanding statistically, the one whose team would suffer the most if you removed him from it?

For category 1, Mantel is the obvious choice.
For category 2, Reimink is the very obvious choice.
For category 3, Remink is probably the choice, although cases can certainly be made for Mantel and maybe McClary.

Mantel is only the obvious choice in category 1 if you assume Calvin "goes the farthest." 

Exactly right.  At this point of the season, Calvin has.  The rest is yet to be determined.

Well, not to cause unnecessary trouble, but at this point, I'd say each team in the conference has gone equally far.  I see what you're getting at, though.

Quote from: scottiedawg on February 17, 2009, 09:29:31 PM

Quote from: knightmoves on February 17, 2009, 08:31:22 PM
MVPs help their teams win titles, not miss key shots when it counts the most. Mantel has come of age this year & has my MVP vote, although admittedly biases.

Again, this comes down to the whole definition of "Most Valuable Player."  Is it the best player on the team that gets the farthest, the most outstanding statistically, the one whose team would suffer the most if you removed him from it?

For category 1, Mantel is the obvious choice.
For category 2, Reimink is the very obvious choice.
For category 3, Remink is probably the choice, although cases can certainly be made for Mantel and maybe McClary.

Mantel is only the obvious choice in category 1 if you assume Calvin "goes the farthest."  That, at least in my estimation, means that Calvin makes it to the NCAA tournament and no other MIAA school does.  I'd consider this a weak assumption because, for all we know, Trine could get hot in a week and win the MIAA tournament, at which point Wes Weir might be the obvious choice in Category 1.

Quote from: hope1 on February 17, 2009, 09:52:45 AM
i hope a lot of fans comes out to the devoss to see hope last regular seasson home game to see the seniors  go out with a win  jesse zack andbosher there are great people let us salute them wed night and the jv that not lost a game in the league there last game wed night  then there seasson is all done  and  always go hope and dan coxx  he is going to graduate in 3 years  pretty smart kid

Careful with your phrasing there.  I'm sure you only mean to root for a Hope victory for the seniors, but it sounds an awful lot like you're assuming victory.  A bold assumption considering how the first Hope/Adrian game went this year!

Quote from: formerd3db on February 15, 2009, 05:47:53 PM

Quote from: D306 on February 15, 2009, 03:46:51 PM
OK this is a shameless post to get the MIAA thread rolling again.

Anybody have any inklings of players heading to the MIAA?

Seen/hear visitation of alot of players at Albion, now who and how many are coming is unknown to me.

The boys are off and working on conditioning, the Seniors and Captains are making a commitment to being ready for spring ball in top condition.

I think DIII is going to see an influx of players, with cut backs on funding at many levels of D1 and DII, I think DIII will benefit. The Student Athlete whom has good grades may or may not be seeing the funds they did in the past especially at State schools, I think this leads a few more quality players to DIII.

Dregs of the sports fan time of year, waiting for March Madness and Hockey playoffs. Pro basketball is completely un-watchable. They do not even pretend to follow the rules anymore, walk, carry, isloation game with no ball movement, no heart.
Bring on march Madness and Hockey Playoffs now that is intensity and effort.

I haven't heard anything regarding Hope's potential prospects, although in part because I haven't had a chance to ask some of the coaches.  Indeed, this is the time of year that many students have been making their on-campus visits.  Most likely we'll have some better idea about the progress of this in the next 3-4 weeks or so.  I'll try to find out regarding Hope and report back later.

Perhaps there, indeed, might be some degree concerning the possible cut-backs you mention.  It will remain to be seen.

I also agree with you about the NBA - I can't stand it.  It has become nothing but a "high level of street ball".  Although, obviously, I am biased to the college game(s) and always enjoy watching the collegiate basketball and hockey national tourneys for all the collegiate divisions (I through III) including the other collegiate leagues/national championships regarding hockey.  Regarding the latter, Hope will be in the American Collegiate Hockey Association National Tournament March 4-7 in Rochester, NY along with 3 other teams in Hope's league (i.e. Saginaw Valley State, Delta College and Grand Valley State.  Calvin failed to qualify for one of the other 2 remaining spots this weekend during the league's qualifying tournament.  Speaking of that, it is too bad that Albion discontinued their hockey team this year in that league.  I realize they struggled, yet they are missed.  Perhaps they can get it reorganized and return in the next year or so.

I haven't checked on Adrian's NCAA D III independent men's (and women's) temas - guess I could have checked their website before posting this -  although I hear via the "rumor mill" that they've done pretty good again this year.  Also, it is surprising that they have a DIII club collegiate team this year similar to Hope, Calvin, Saginaw Valley State, Northwood, Oakland University, Davenport, Grand Valley State, etc. in our league.  With the expansion of hockey at Adrian, apparently this has sparked interest enough to have a collegiate club team as well.  With regard to Hope and Calvin's teams, they are essentially "virtual varsity" as the college supports them quite well although obviously not able to 100% to "elevate" them to the full varsity status.  Nonetheless, this is still collegiate hockey (and not some "rinky dink" league type of play). 

Anyway, thanks for the "stimulus" package for posting here D306.  Perhaps you'll spark some of our fellow posters to start posting again here, at least on occasion, before the pre-pre-season "banter" starts for football again.

To respond first to the hockey questions:  Adrian's NCAA women's hockey team is ranked 9th in the country with a 17-5-1 record.  The men's NCAA team is, firstly, not an independent, but is a member of the MCHA.  They just finished their conference regular season, and were overall 23-1-1, and 20-0 in the conference.  They're ranked 8th in the country right now.

Also, Adrian has not one, but two men's club hockey teams.  This is the first year for the Club DIII team, and they appear to have struggled a bit, looks like they finished the season at 6-10.  The other club team is ACHA DI, and plays against Michigan, Eastern, MSU, as well as schools like Villanova, Arizona, Arizona State, etc.  They're sitting slightly above .500 with a couple of games remaining in their season. 

I was a little bit surprised to see a second ACHA team added this season.  I don't have any numbers in front of me, but hockey in general might have started to rival football for number of athletes at Adrian nowadays. with 3 men's teams and one women's team.

As for recruiting news from Lenawee County, I really haven't heard much.  I know in my various trips down there for basketball games that I've seen numerous recruits parading through campus, so recruiting efforts are certainly in full swing, but that's no surprise.  I'll be interesting to see if DIII gets that bump in talent level.  If so, I hope many of these student athletes make the right choice and come to Adrian!