kid, I am glad to hear some FOY talk....any early predictions on POY?

I was thinking about the FOY the other day after having watched BC a couple times....and I got to say...I am not sure about Burkholder? She is an impressive scorer without a doubt. However, when I have watched them I think she would benefit as a player and the team would benefit if she looked more for the open man and not so often for her shot. She shoots a lot and has a tendency to turn the ball over (over four a game). Other then that, I think if she smartens up as a player she is going to have an impressive career at BC.

Just thought I'd my two sense to the board.....didn't see the game, but poor sportsmanship has been discussed on this board over the years....mainly concerning VWC in the past. Having watched a number of area teams over the past several years (shenandoah valley) I have noticed Roanoke to have a tendency to take a lot of cheap shots and show little class at moments. These observations are, of course, my own opinion and mean nothing. Now, on to Lynchburg.....last year when they played BC there were a couple incidents with Lynchburg throwing cheap shots that got the crowd and bench fired up. I have been to many games where there were cheap shots from just about every team in the ODAC (most famous was the blatant kick from VWC's Dove...that was an amazing one!). I say all of this to make this point....cheap shots happen in every game, and it depends on which side of the gym you are sitting on to determine if it was intentional or inadvertant.....ODAC is a competitive league with passionate players...emotions are bound to get high and plays unfold that to the biased eye seem cheap, but probably are just a lot intensity mixed with emotion. Coach Tobey probably did not want to hurt anyone, Roanoke players probably didn't push and shove to hurt.....they were just all out there trying their hardest to win. Here's hoping for a good rest of the season with plenty of close and physical games!

Quote from: vwcbeachbum on December 01, 2006, 10:19:11 AM
I know you guys must be getting sick of seeing us win at everything, and we understand, but you should be getting used to it by now so it's time to just start admitting to yourself that we have better athletes and better coaches and that is why we win. I know women's basketball is one of the few remaining sports we don't completely dominate in year in and year out but it must scare the stuff out of you that a team that won only 5 games just 3 years ago was preseason picked 2nd in the league.

I have to say.....after seeing EMU, BC, and W&L all go down in both the men's and women's tournaments (the teams I tend to pull for) I was unsure of who to cheer for....then I sat with a VWC fan at the girls' first round game and they assured me both the guys and the girls were going to be #1 this year....and that we better get used to seeing VWC as the #1 teams in basketball....I forgot you had said that vwcbeachbum and I thought to myself it couldn't have been you....or could it? did you talk to an older gentleman with a green flannel shirt and say something along these premises? That sure would be crazy if I sat beside you for that game


and by the way...after sitting with that fan I decided since VWC was so good I knew who to cheer for...the underdogs, which meant every team other then the mighty marlins

Congratulations to Coach Griffin! I know he is in store for a very bright career at EMU as this is only his second year behind the wheel with a whole lot of talented underclassmen riding with him.

vwcbeachbum, try and show some class, not for yourself, but for the team you are representing. I know some people on this board are excited to see another ODAC women's basketball power emerging because we like to see good ODAC competition, but its hard to be excited about the Marlins when the perspective we see from them is a very annoying and immature fan. Please, grow up!

Had a conversation today with a past SID, and he filled me in a little bit on some of the criteria for POY, FOY, and all conference honors. I am not sure if this is what every SID reviews, or just this particular one? Did not think to ask him that.

He said.....

You look at scoring, and then overall point production.

Scoring is of course your scoring average.

Overall Point Production (OPP) is your scoring avg. plus your assists x 2. That is, your OPP is all the points you contribute in a game.

Depending on your position, certain weight is given to certain stats. A post will be expected to rebound and block more and  assist and turnover less. A guard will be expected to do the opposite. The turnovers are because the guards handle the ball more. Scoring is seen as important for any position, and steals, assist-turnover ratio, shooting %s, and minutes played are typically given the same weight for every position.

I know that Katy Herr Lovell and Erin Hanson seem to be the two front runners for POY, so I decided to post all of their stats.

ERIN HANSON  6'0   Post                KATY HERR LOVELL  5'4  Guard

Scoring-  19.1                                         13.0

OPP-       23.02                                      21.88

Minutes-   29.6                                       34.0

FG%-       .497                                        .401

3FG%-     .401                                       .346

FT%-        .830                                        .837

REB-         244                                         151

OFF-          56                                           53

DEF-         188                                          98

Reb. Avg.- 9.8                                         6.0

Ass.           49                                         111

TO-            97                                          51

Ass./TO-   0.50                                       2.18

Blk.-          23                                          12

Stl.-           47                                          98

Also, where a player ranks in their conference statistical standings pulls some weight because it shows how a player matched up to other players in games.

       HANSON                                LOVELL

1st-       2                                        3

Top 5-   4                                        4

Top 10- 6                                        6

Top 15- 8                                       10

(I did not include turnovers in this )


Things that do not affect these decisions.......

1. A player's political affiliation
2. The level of the player's attractiveness
3. A player's team's hot streak 


When looking at all of this, I still see KHL as the POY simply because she is without a doubt the best at her position in the ODAC, and she is invaluable to her team. If she is taken out you notice, hence her 34.0 minutes a game. Erin Hanson is an amazing player, but she has a few things that hold her back from being the BEST, especially her tendency to force sometimes, hence her turnovers. I went to the WLU vs. RC game where WLU beat the Maroons, and there was two different times when Hanson made very poor decisions and Coach Dunagon took her out because of it. She's amazing, that is for sure, just not the best. However, make your own decision, the ODAC will certainly make their decision here in just a few hours.

talking about a classy group....I just wanted to comend the group of seniors from BC on their outstanding class on and off the court. Shannon Scales, Jessica Young, and Katy Herr Lovell have made dean's list every semester since being in school, and all three have now been accepted into graduate school to get their doctorate in physical therapy. It's neat that these three young ladies are all going into the same field and have all had such successful careers (in the classroom and on the court) at BC.

(I am not sure what Amy Childs, the other senior, plans to do after college?)

Quote from: bbingit on February 19, 2007, 11:22:23 AM

Quote from: whitecaylxx on February 17, 2007, 09:24:46 PM
Congratulations to Jessica Hunsinger on breaking the ODAC record for the most rebounds.  As for jmill07's player of the year - WRONG!  It's either Jessica Hunsinger for her ODAC record or Katy Herr Lovell.  Hanson may have had a few good games recently , but KHL has had a career of good games.

So are you saying you want to base POY on KHL career stats? POY is who has had the best year this year. I still think Hanson but I think KHL is also deserving.
Congrats to Hunsinger on her ODAC record. She has had a great career at WLU. Also congrats to Sara Rechnitzer.

I agree, you do not pick POY or COY on career accomplishments, but I still go with KHL because she has had a very impressive season and ranks in more statistical categories then any other player, which shows a very all-around player. That is also why you have to forget about Coach LaHaye reaching her 400th win. Its about the season's accomplishments.

and congratulations to Sara Rechnitzer! I think there will probably be another Rechnitzer that we'll be congratulating in a few years on scorings 1,000 points

For you BC fans, or just anyone who is curious, there was an article done on Katy Herr Lovell in today's Staunton News Leader about her career at BC and at Lee High, and it has some stuff about her family, including her husband. Here is the link...http://www.newsleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070219/SPORTS/702190323/1006

Her career stats at BC were not up to date in the article, but they said they will post her most up to date stats at the end of the season. Its a good article anways.

Quote from: jmill07 on February 17, 2007, 06:09:20 PM
POY....Hanson from Roanoke....she has the Maroons winning down the stretch and heading into the tournament with some steam, making them a very dangerous opponent for anyone...unlike Bridgewater which lost YET three games in a row

Great logic there jmill07! We should decide who has had the best season and deserves POY by who is heading into the ODAC with the most steam!

I have seen Roanoke play four times this year, and though I considered Hanson a very good player...I was never in awe of her overall game. She seemed to force a lot, in two of the games I saw her she had three fouls in each game that was because of throwing an elbow and she was called for an offensive foul! She is 6th in the league in turnovers, just two turnovers away from joining four Hollins players in the top 5. She scores a lot, but she shoots a heck of a lot (which I know is what good players are supposed to do) and she grabs a good amount of rebounds (but she is a 6-footer).

I have seen a lot of ODAC basketball this year, and in all the games I have seen there are two players who I just thought to myself were above the rest, and they have the stats to back that up. Of course I think Katy Herr Lovell is the best all around player I saw this year, and she definitely has the stats to back it up.....she ranks in the top 15 in 10 of the 12 statistical categories, she is #1 in steals, assists, and assist-turnover ratio and #2 in ft %, she is the only PG in the top 15 in rebounding and she is 5'4 yet grabs 6.0 boards a game and is #7 all-time at BC in rebounding. BC has been plagued with injuries all season (Tori Ruckman out for season with ACL, Becca Henderson has missed a number of games with ankle injury and has not been 100% in many games, Jessica Timberlake has missed several games and is still not 100%) yet the Eagles have still had a decent season and to me, that is all in part to their floor leader KHL. I have seen over 10 BC games this season, and I have always been impressed.

The other player I have been extremely impressed with is a freshmen....guess who??? Molly Arial. Wow! She has some amazing numbers for a freshmen, just look at them. If there was a second place POY to KHL, it would be Arial for me. I saw her play three times, and every game I was very impressed.

I am going with Katy Herr Lovell also simply because I do think her overall game is the best in the league....she might not score as much as some of the other players, but basketball is a lot more then scoring and a lot more then the numbers that appear on the stat page, and when you take everything into account then I would say that Herr Lovell is the best choice for POY.

I agree....FOY is Arial. There were several freshmen at one point that I thought also had a chance...but after the performances Arial has put on lately, I think she is the clear choice.

Being from the valley also I have been able to see a good amount of EMU games, and I think Coach Griffin is a great choice. He is a very passionate coach and has gotten his girls playing to the top of their potential. I was at a BC game a couple of weeks ago, and I can't remember who they were playing, but Coach Griffin with his whole team was there watching. That's dedication to me. Coach Griffin has turned this program around from a supposed rebuilding year to a championship contender.

I agree with how awful of a call that was. That was such a fun game to watch, and both teams played great, it is just unfortunate that the outcome was somewhat dictated by a poor call by the official.

Oh well, that's sports for you.

I also agree with the POY, COY, and FOY.

I think Herr Lovell is a no brainer, at least to me. She leads the conference in three stats, and is in the top 15 in 9 of the statistical categories listed on the ODAC website. Also, she plays for one of the top teams in the ODAC where she has set several records.

COY is also a no brainer as Coach LaHaye has her team with a firm hold in first place....and this is all without either Silva or Orton!

FOY is where I just am not sure? I think Arial from RMC is a good choice, but I also like Katie Rechnitzer (RMWC) and Kristina Darby (Lynchburg).

Quote from: waterlucy on January 30, 2007, 10:12:18 AM
Re:  EMU
When I saw them play, they looked like they worked very well as a team - I know - a dirty concept to some people on this board!  If you had to pick a superstar, I guess it would be the Riley girl.  I was surprised by how well EMU is now doing.  When they got rattled, though, it seemed like they just collapsed.

Okay....enough about some people on this board not liking the whole "team" concept because that was never said. Sport is largely about the team, but there is also an individual aspect to the game that some people like to talk about every now and then. That is the part that some people on this board do not like. Grow up!


Now...all that was asked was about EMU...and yes....they are very good this year and will be good next year as well. They play extremely aggressive, which is why they match up with VWC well. I have been to four of their games and have been very impressed with them.

I agree, GAVA. I am not sure "masterful" is how you would describe Morgan's performance...I was at the game and so I saw first hand. Good play, but "masterful" might be a bit much. However, we've talked this one to death and everyone will have their own opinions.

Here's tonight's line-up....

Friday, January 26

Lynchburg at Bridgewater

Hollins at Roanoke

R-M Woman's Coll. at Eastern Mennonite

Emory & Henry at Virginia Wesleyan
   
Guilford at Randolph-Macon


No surprises for me.

I never once said anything bad about Morgan, in fact if you read my posts you can see I said she was a good defender and a steady player for RMC. Maybe I said she wouldn't be missed, but I stand by that not because I have a problem with her, but simply because I think RMC has several very talented players who would pick up the slack no problem. I see RMC being the team to beat next year, without Morgan. All I really pointed out was my observation from the RMC vs. BC game the other night. People said what an amazing job Morgan did on Herr Lovell, and I pointed out my take on the game. Herr Lovell struggled shooting, but she has struggled shooting for several games now, so I don't solely give Morgan credit for bad shooting. I said Herr Lovell did a good job penetrating and getting past Morgan, but still pointed out that Morgan is a good defender.

Someone asked why if her teammate's were struggling did Herr Lovell pass the ball off? Because that is what she does, that is what a point guard does, that is why she is leading the ODAC in assists. Just because your teammates have missed a few open looks does not mean you start shooting every time instead of passing the ball.

Quote from: odacfan99 on January 24, 2007, 08:18:21 PM
I was at the BC-RMC game last night.  Anyone can say what they will about Morgan's lack of scoring but the job she did on Katie H-L was masterful!  KHL was 2-10 from the field and scored only once when #4 was guarding her.  Her defensive contribution was as valuable as Hiltunen and Riesbeck's offensive fire power - in a 5 point game, an average defensive effort against KHL could made a 6 point difference and a different outcome!  Keep up the pressure Kristen!!

Yes, Katy Herr Lovell did not shoot the ball well, but she got past by Morgan many times to make nice passes to open teammates who did not finish. She should have had a lot more assists. Katy has been in a shooting slump for several games, I am not sure Morgan is to credit for another game of poor shooting. Morgan is a good defender, but that's it, and she certainly isn't a shooter, which is fine for a player. I think Morgan is a steady factor for this team, but one that would not be missed if she weren't on the court. I think Hilluten, Reisbeck, and Arial are the top threats for RMC from what I've read and what I've seen.

I also just got back from the BC vs. RMC game, and I thought Morgan did decent, but I also thought Katy did not have much help. She could have had a lot more assists if BC weren't in such a slump shooting. Katy got by Morgan a good number of times and delivered good passes to her teammates, who just couldn't finish.

I was talking with a father of one of the freshmen on the Eagles' squad the other day who goes to all the games, and he said no one has been playing very good at all except for Katy. She has been the only steady factor. She has also been in a shooting slump like the rest of the team, but has continued to hustle, get rebounds, assists, steals, and contribute while some of the gals are just not playing good right now.

BC will have to turn it around if they want to do well after the regular season is over and done with.

I don't think any team in the ODAC stands out above the rest, it's all about who wants it more on a given night and who brings their A game.