I graduated from VWC back in 2002, and have followed the Marlins as best as I can since then.  Since I've been following ODAC hoops, I have noticed the perception of VWC that has been noted by several other posters regarding this subject.The "thugs from the beach" thing is not made up.  The term "thug" was used to describe certain Marlins' players that played in the last several years, including a certain player who shall remain nameless at this point.