You compared yourself to the AP.  You argue in circles. And give yourself 5 stars guru!

Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 23, 2006, 09:39:50 PM


And no offense, but this site is not just some local newspaper or a regional cable provider, it's a national site. At the very least, compare it to the Associated Press All-America team.

And by the way, how can you REALLY compare your site with the AP?  Are you kidding us?  The Associated Press is the world's largest such organization.

As of 2005, AP's news is used by 1,700 newspapers, in addition to 5,000 television and radio outlets!!! Its photo library consists of over 10 million images!!! The AP has 242 bureaus and serves 121 countries, with a diverse international staff drawing from all over the world. The AP Stylebook has become the de facto standard for newswriting in the count. And you want to compare your site to the AP?!!!

C'mon now Pat.  Get real.  Salt Lake City would be your biggest gig and you know it.  Don't front the Mormons baby.  Who dat say they gonna beat dem Bengals?  Who Dat? Who Dat?

The Salt Lake Tribune has more street cred than you think.  I meant to say the NABC.  You are putting yourself ahead of the NABC.  Rather than always defending the way you do things, why not make a change and get the leagues and coaches more involved?

Your voters didn't even have Tyler Rhoten as an honorable mention and the list goes on!  Did you see him play?  He's better than over half of your guys!

What a joke.  Do you honestly think that your All-American team holds a candle to the NABC team?

I've never seen anyone give themselves so many props! 

To think that the coaches are not as good at voting for All-Region and All-Americans as SID's is a joke Pat.

If SID's had as much a clue on talent, they'd be coaches and coaches would be crunching numbers all day while searching 8th Street Latinas with the rest of the Nerd Herd.

Get a clue.

You have to be nuts to think that SID's are better voters for All-Region and All-American teams than coaches.

I really think coaches know who the best players in the country are regardless of the league or region in which their teams play in.  I bet more coaches know out-of-region colleagues and star players than SID's do.  Coaches talk all the time about who is good in their perspective leagues.  Coaches in other regions sure knew Ray Bryant from UC baby.  How many SID's knew about him though?  Teams also travel out-of-region for tournaments and such as well.  To say that SID's are better judges of talent than the coaches is laughable.

Furthermore, if I remeber correctly, if an SID doesn't nominate his school's players for D3hoops.com awards than the best players might not even be up for selection.   In year's past many top players who were selected by the NABC haven't even been able to make the D3hoops.com team because the respective school's SID's were knee-deep in hockey or baseball and completely forgot to send their stuff in.   If you all know who the best players are, then why place the burden on the SID's to nominate the players.  If anyone should be nominating the players, it should be the coaches or the leagues in which they play. 

Saying that a player would rather be a D3hoops.com All-American over being an NABC All-American is like saying Andrew Bogut would rather be the Salt Lake Tribune Player of the Year instead of the Wooden Award winner.  Or Jameer Nelson would rather be the Comcast SportsNet All-American than the Wooden Award winner.

It's just doesn't make any sense to me.  The awards are great, but you've can't put yourselves ABOVE the NCAA fellas. 

Go UC!!!

You have to be nuts to think that SID's are better voters for All-Region and All-American teams than coaches.

I really think coaches know who the best players in the country are regardless of the league or region in which their teams play in.  I bet more coaches know out-of-region colleagues and star players than SID's do.  Coaches talk all the time about who is good in their perspective leagues.  Coaches in other regions sure knew Ray Bryant from UC baby.  How many SID's knew about him though?  Teams also travel out-of-region for tournaments and such as well.  To say that SID's are better judges of talent than the coaches is laughable.

Furthermore, if I remeber correctly, if an SID doesn't nominate his school's players for D3hoops.com awards than the best players might not even be up for selection.   In year's past many top players who were selected by the NABC haven't even been able to make the D3hoops.com team because the respective school's SID's were knee-deep in hockey or baseball and completely forgot to send their stuff in.   If you all know who the best players are, then why place the burden on the SID's to nominate the players.  If anyone should be nominating the players, it should be the coaches or the leagues in which they play.  

Saying that a player would rather be a D3hoops.com All-American over being an NABC All-American is like saying Andrew Bogut would rather be the Salt Lake Tribune Player of the Year instead of the Wooden Award winner.  Or Jameer Nelson would rather be the Comcast SportsNet All-American than the Wooden Award winner.

It's just doesn't make any sense to me.  The awards are great, but you've can't put yourselves ABOVE the NCAA fellas.  

Go UC!!!

Sean O'Brien nowhere to be found either!!!

A first teamer NABC all-american, not even an honorable mention at D3hoops.com!!!

I wonder which O'Brien would rather be?!!

Funny how Ray Bryant didn't even make the D3hoops.com honorable mention All-American.  Yeah, Pat, the coaches are clueless   They wouldn't know how to run a poll or vote for all region !!!

Perhaps you should revamp your voting policies and let those in the know vote for a change.  Get off your high horse and post the NABC All-Americans on your site.

We all would like to know who the REAL All-Americans are. 

Ray Bryant is the Real Deal The scary thing is, he has another year in this conference. 

Go Pioneers!

Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 16, 2006, 03:44:30 AM

Quote from: Jukebox Hero on March 15, 2006, 11:04:14 PM
I wonder what happens if someone smites Pat. I wonder why his karma is only +58 

I think I had been in the mid-60s before the All-Region team came out. Even though the SIDs vote on it and I have no say, people take it out on me.

Sometimes an unbiased take is pretty unpopular around here.

I think you have plenty to do with it Pat.  After all, you let those geeks vote don't you? No offense to the Nerd Herd, but come on now.  Half of your voters couldn't hit a lay-up for a free slice of pizza at halftime.

We all love SID's, but why should they be allowed to vote on polls and for All-Region teams when many of them are hockey hounds and football fanatics.  The stats they provide are great, but there is more to the game than numbers.

Couldn't you have the coaches vote?  I'm sure they'd do a better job on both All-Region and Top 25 polls.

Keep up the good work.  We all love your site, but the polls and All-Region seem to be something that goes up for debate every year, yet never gets fixed.

Go UC!!!

Yankee sounds bitter.  Probably couldn't hold Welsh's jock anyway.

Sorry about insulting Clarkson by comparing it to UC.  After all, Utica only offers a Syracuse University degree.  Clarkson is not even close to RPI, U of R or Cornell, so I'm not sure what kind of glue your friends were sniffing if they actually chose to head North over Ithaca, Troy or Rocha.

How sad is your little Liberty League anyway these days fellas.  Your board is being dominated by E8 and SUNYAC banter:)  Must have had a helluva year.

Bear-

Thanks for the stats.   You've proved my point.  And that  point was Hamilton was never allowed to compete in the NCAA tourney when they had their best teams.  Hamilton tassled with Potsdam only 5 times in over 30 years of Hamilton being among the nations best.  Hamilton was always playing the best teams in the country.   Potsdam had some great runs, but the consistency was based on which renegade rolled through town and was able to attend class long enough to hit the hardwood. 

How's Coach Murphy doing against Potsdam these days now that he can get those types of athletes on his squad?

Imagine Hamilton back in the day if Coach Murphy had guys like Leroy Witherspoon, Maurice Woods, and Derrick Rowland.  Ever wonder how those three ended up in the North Country anyway?  And although they were all great, great players, you'd be hard pressed to find anyone outside of Potsdam that believes they were better players than Cedric Oliver.

Thumbs Up:  You haven't seen enough games with statements like these.

As the old man in Utica, I have to say you are way off as far as Hamilton basketball goes.  For years I watched in horror as my Pioneers fell time in and time out to the Continentals.  Even when UC went Division I with the legendary NBA Hall-of-Fame coach/player Larry Costello, much to my dismay, Hamilton still upended them.  How many Hamilton teams were ranked #1 in the country or beat the #1 ranked team in the country handily, only to never get a chance to go to the NCAA tournament due to NESCAC rules and regulations that prevented them from doing so? 

Potsdam, North Park, Rochester, Scranton are just a few of the National Champs that Hamilton beat in those days.  Give Jerry Welsh, Mike Neer,  and Bill Bessoir a call if you need specific statistics! Us old foggies remember.  Coach Murphy's best teams were from 1976-1996, and the list of National Champs that fell by the wayside on that Hill is longer than the road to Upsala.   Hamilton wasn't afraid to play anyone and that's why they got better every year.  Just give a call over to Colgate, who I believe Hamilton beat 9 out of the last 11 times the schools met.  Hamilton was the big time, and still could be.  Heck, now they actually can play for something.  Back in the day, Cedric Oliver simply laced them up for pride.  And outside of Ulf Tornstrom, he might have had the best pull-up jumper this side of Utica!  Still haven't seen a D3 or even D2 player that could go like Oliver did back then. 

And by the way, one year?  From what I can tell, Ray Bryant has another game against Hamilton.  And its in Utica.  Could be a long night.  Then again, its nice to see the rivalry back up and running.   Long live UCPB.   Go Pioneers!

Clarkson is a safety school for kids that go to Utica, so GIVE US A BREAK.  I'd bet my last dollar that there are more professionals out of Utica's basketball program than in Clarkson's entire athletic department!!!  What a joke.

Lastly, I'll leave you with a little D3 trivia. Rochester made it to the 1991 Elite 8, before losing to eventual National Runner-Up F&M by 3.  I was at the Hamilton/Rochester game that year.  Hamilton beat them by like 30 that night.  I say like 30, because with about 4 minutes left I went for a cold Matts at Alteri's with a side of sausage and peppers pizza. 

I agree with CC.  It's about time the Pioneers got some respect. 

Utica is not a joke. Ray Bryant is better than anyone on that Hill these days.  With the loss of Welchons and Peck, Hamilton might be the 3rd best team in the area next year. 

CC also has a very good point about the state of affairs in Clinton.  One of the best things Coach Murphy was able to do was develop players.  In fact, I believe he developed the most D3 All-Americans in history.   There might be better athletes on the Hill now, but what has your boy Tobin developed the past two years? 

Hamilton's strength of schedule was not there this season and it showed against Amherst.  In the past, Hamilton would play Amherst in the regular season.  Now they play Tobin's alma mater Wesleyan, who might have been the WORST team in New England this season.  Teams Hamilton used to play every year like Amherst, Rochester, Tufts have been taken off the Conts schedule in place of Medaille (4-21), Wesleyan (6-17), and Washington (13-14).  It might get a few early W's, but it doesn't exactly prepare the team for the post-season. 

Utica might not have the history of Hamilton, but they certainly have the local support these days. 

Go Pioneers!

They say it's hard to beat a team three times in one year.  What do they say about 4 times?  Consider this Mission Impossible staring Ray Bryant.  The Pioneers are hot baby!  Go UC!

Pioneer Pride Baby.  UC heads to the Sweet Sixteen. 

How's your "I Love Tobin" sign coming fellas?   Hamilton had their chance at the fifth "Sweet 16" in school history come up short, way short actually, at Amherst.   

Go Pioneers!!!

Ray Bryant will tear through your "D" baby.  Go Pioneers!