Quote from: steelyglen on February 20, 2006, 08:54:15 PM
At least an HSC representative won something this basketball season...eh CT? I think the refs gave him this title...but wait he beat out another HSC honk...so ..the refs screwed HSC by giving it to HSC...hmmmm...interesting...Jerry Stone is mixed up in this somehow..nohow!!! Jimmy will be sending you your Pies and RC's from my part of the STan ALbright stash and no cheap DP imitations either Jimmy!!!

Yep, because I was the only one who said anything about the officiating and I also laid out the conspiracy theory that the officials were out to get HSC.  In fact, I think the ODAC's out to get HSC...wait...wait...no it's probably the NCAA.  Somehow I forgot to mention that in my previous posts.  I'm glad so many here take the time to actually read and respond to what others write.

Quote from: > on February 20, 2006, 07:06:00 PM
the guys doing the broadcast jsut confirmed what i thought on the mike edwards call that raised such controversy:

it is a violation to shoot the ball over the backboard.

It may have been, I couldn't tell from my angle.  But the signal from the officials was shot clock violation.  They patted their heads.

Quote from: bumblebeetuna on February 20, 2006, 01:36:03 PM
i am sure the "graders" were busy last night.

No, I'm sure their job was quite simple: "F."

Quote from: jeloesel on February 20, 2006, 11:53:38 AM
CT,
The horse is DEAD.  Would you like me to post a picture of the carcass?   

I'm curious.  Did the horse die sometime in the 2 minutes between my post and "kid's" or before then?

Quote from: > on February 20, 2006, 07:40:14 AM
Maybe if you would discuss the real issues as to why HSC lost the game you wouldn't be so bitter. Why don't you discuss why they blew that lead they had for a good deal of the 2nd half? With under 5 minutes to go HSC was up 9. Where was the defense down the stretch? Too many uncontested shots during RMC's comebacl. Why don't you discuss how HSC couldnt close out the game. If they could have done what it takes to close out the game then you HSC fans would have to be whining about the officiating.

If you're going to bother to post on here then please read everything that has been posted about the game.  In several posts we've said HSC made some dumb plays at the end of the game.  But then again when it was "under 5 minutes to go [and] HSC was up 9" the reason it wasn't, say, "under 3 minutes to go" or "under 2" is because RMC had been in the bonus since the 13:35 mark and the double bonus since the 8:44 mark.  So for over half of the 2nd half, whenever a foul was called on HSC, the clock would stop and RMC would get to shoot FTs.  This extends the game's length and shortens the time of possession needed by RMC to score, keeping valuable seconds on the clock that HSC would have prefered to see tick away before RMC took a shot.  At least in the 1st half, neither team was whistled for the first 7 minutes so even when RMC began putting HSC on the line, there wasn't much time left in the half before the fouls were reset meaning there was less impact on the game.  Contrast that to the 2nd half when HSC didn't even reach the bonus until the 1:23 mark.  Do I think neither team committed a foul for the first 7 minutes of the game?  No, I believe both teams were able to get away with at least one or two.  But there weren't any obvious, "definitely gave the other team an advantage" type fouls and so the officials at least showed consistency.  In the 2nd half, that consistency was thrown right out the window.  And, as stated before by myself and others, no, HSC didn't close the game out and still had chances to win it.  But the only thing they should have needed to do to close out the game was hit FT's (which in the 2nd half they were 7-8, yeah they were 1-3 in OT but honestly 3-3 wouldn't have mattered).


As for the calls on the illegal screens on RMC that someone mentioned, there were plenty of times that Wansley, especially in the 2nd half when the action was in front of us and we could see it, could have been called for holding the screener.  Whenever the guy he was guarding, usually Leweck, set a pick at the top of the key, he would hold his arm/hip as he stepped around to help out his teammate, preventing Aaron from executing a pick-and-roll or anything to clear out (or even moving to set an illegal screen that might have been called).

Quote from: 3sdown on February 20, 2006, 07:53:02 AM
You just want to blame the loss on someone else without being able to admit that much of the blame lies with your own team. 

Actually, if you READ what has been posted, many of us have readily admitted that RMC is the better team.  But HSC played as well or better than them for a good portion of the game (which was a pleasant change from the two earlier meetings this year).  It doesn't matter though against good teams like Macon if you have a 3 series stretch where there is the shot-clock "violation" on a made basket, Matt Guill's drive and foul called by the official who guill was facing only to be overturned by the official near halfcourt who was staring at Guill's back and couldn't see what the defender was doing to him, and I think then or near then was the charge call on Prehmus.  I may be wrong on that.  But that is a huge momentum killer that literally took points off the board and led to points off both RMC possessions that followed.  Then in OT, Lewek fouls out after at least 2 of the fouls called on him during the game were iffy, ticky-tacky calls at best.  We don't have RMC's depth at the F/C position and so we've got a freshman, Laakso, trying to guard an ODAC 2nd teamer.  Personally, especially after the first two easy baskets by Hawley, I would have liked to have seen Szuch come in because I think he's been the better defender all year but Bubba didn't make the switch.  Would one less basket by Hawley have mattered, probably not.  That's the point with really good teams like Macon.  If they get an edge like that they can and will exploit it against teams like HSC.

Yes, the officiating has been bad, but it's been bad all year and we didn't get on here and say anything before.  Today's officiating was horrendous and that's why we're "coming out of the woodwork."  Shouldn't the best officials be at the championship?  I know plenty who did games this year better than these guys.  They're not good, but they're better than these guys today.  And if you are going to post about it, could you possibly bother yourself to post about the specifics being discussed rather than throwing out generalized, hackneyed cliches?  Or are we asking too much since we did just come out of the woodwork?

First, since apparently typing posts completely grammatically correct is a sign of one's intelligence and 800 of them is something to be proud of, I shall address Mr. Coleman in a manner that would do hasanova proud.

No one has said HSC didn't have a shot to win in regulation.  What is being said, and what is still not being addressed by anyone else, is that HSC should not have been in the position to need a last-minute shot to win this game.  HSC had the inferior team this year.  But they played the better game today and played well enough to win if the officials had called even a slightly better game.  As for coming out of the woodwork, forgive me for not feeling the need or desire to worship at the shrine that is D3sports.com sooner.  I'm sorry I needed something like the worst officiated game I've seen either in person or on TV to feel the need to throw my 2 cents into the fray.

instead you shall resort to arrogance and a "holier than thou" attitude of which you have not backed up which leads to the conundrum, what's the difference between an arrogant ass and a jackass?

hmmm, and not every 33 year old male who does background checks and looks up information on college students is a stalker/child molester, but there are some, shall i imply that while you look up jobs from 2 years ago? or shall we stick to odac basketball as that is what the forum was created for?

well i can't figure out the quote thing or how to edit, sorry, but 3sdown said


"Or perhaps the phantom jump ball at the beginning of the 2nd half may have lead to an easy lay up for RMC rather RMC's ball on the sideline with HSC able to get back on defense.  See, you apparently live your life off of 'what ifs.'"

the phantom jump ball wouldnt' have led to an easy lay up because it bounced right up to Aaron Leweck's hand and he had the ball back, no easy lay up buddy,

Quote from: 3sdown on February 19, 2006, 11:41:40 PM
Pat-

I agree with you...I didn't have an angle where I was sitting to make that determination.  It may have been the right call...Just not sure from where I was at...And I am not sure the officials were sure either from the way they reacted? 

CT-

I am sorry you have harsh feelings towards everyone tonight...Officials don't determine the outcomes of games.  I have been there on the other side many of times and I still maintain officials don't determine the outcome of games.  They are someone easy to get mad at...And that is about it!  For example, if Macon would have lost tonight to HSC b/c HSC would have scored with 20 seconds left...Macon wouldn't have lost b/c of some official, but rather b/c Pat Gill shot the ball with 25 seconds still on the shot clock or numerous other bone head plays some Macon player would have made!  How many turnovers did HSC have?  Could/should they have prevented one of those they may have scored?  Or perhaps the phantom jump ball at the beginning of the 2nd half may have lead to an easy lay up for RMC rather RMC's ball on the sideline with HSC able to get back on defense.  See, you apparently live your life off of "what ifs."

Hasanova-

Guildford looked good today although they couldn't pull the win out.  Strong is a very good player...Snipes I thought hurt you down the stretch today, but that is just one man's opinion.  And I agree too much settling for the outside shot vs. getting it into the lane. 

while many were discussing today's RMC/HSC game, hasanova decided that he'd just end it when he's not part of either side and i doubt he was at the game, i haven't commented on the Guilford/VWC game, and i don't know nor care how the officiating or play was then and for someone coming from a school with less basketball success and tradition to talk about "let's just congratulate the winners" is a bit weak, congratulate them all you want and that is fine but don't say that's what everyone should do yet, i'll admit RMC had the better team this year, but today i believe HSC outplayed them and teh officials were horrendous in their calls and judgment and that hurt the team

as for Mr. Coleman,  i'm curious what the stereotype is here, i didn't say guilford was a bunch of losers, their golf team won the national title last year i believe and they're great there, but in basketball they're not that good and so it's not a stereotype to say they come up short, they do, where does the whole meathead/fitness center play into this? should i throw in a stereotype about asians or something now to continue the random stereotype comment with no bearing on anything?

you mean like Guilford coming up short year after year?

and I thought Quakers were nice people who just turned the other cheek