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#1
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on December 21, 2010, 09:16:03 AM
Quote from: skunks_sidekick on December 21, 2010, 09:08:00 AM
WOW....I remember when LL was chosen as the HC.  There was MUTINY afoot on this board.  I could go back and post all the CRAZY talk that was posted, but I will save many of you the embarassment.   ;D

I have an idea......let's erase the last four years with LL, and REPLAY those games with the "other guy" at the helm.  I gotta believe Mount's chances would be better.   ;)

No disrespect to Zweifel, but LL was the best thing that happened to UWW.  

hard to argue with that...3 titles in 4 years.
To be fair, UWW is the best thing that happened to LL as well.  Let's not forget, the table was set when he arrived.   
#2
Quote from: wesleydad on December 08, 2010, 09:19:24 PM
how is uww going to fair against the #1 d in the country.  likely to be as good as ncc and they gave uww plenty of trouble last week.  if they can not run the ball, how does that effect their chances of winning.  i know, you are going to pound the rock, blah, blah, blah.  but what happens if you cant.  also, can they defend the pass, first 2 games of playoffs bring that into question.  the stats look to be equal, i agree they only compare apples and oranges, but umhb fans felt they were going to have no trouble scoring and they had trouble getting 9.  i know all that doesnt matter because uww smoked wesley in 05 and 06 and eventhough few if any players are still playing it will be the same result.
WD, anybody ever mention that you tend to have a passive/aggressive streak? 
#3
Quote from: skunks_sidekick on November 07, 2010, 10:58:59 AM
The regional rankings system is such a joke it's laughable.  Other than getting general ideas of where a team fits (strength-wise) in it's region, it means absolutely nothing. 

Things to consider.....

Before yesterday's games, NCC and Mount's opponents were both an exact 26-38.

Mount only plays one OOC game, so they can either be"punished", or "rewarded" based on their conference opponents record in any given year.

Even after yesterday's games, and assuming both teams winning their games next Saturday, their opponents records will be almost a mirror image of each other.

Why in the world would you think that NCC would be rated ahead of Mount, or better yet UWW?

If all three teams win, expect NCC's road to Salem to run through Mount Union, and/or UWW.

There is absolutely NO reason to expect anything else.
Bingo, that is why it becomes just one of several tools used in deciding the final play-off brackets. 
#4
Quote from: USee on November 07, 2010, 09:42:18 AM
Q- again, I agree with the assemssement of the criteria. I also know for a fact the committee has used discretion in the past. They follow the criteria very closely but they have discretion in the "gray areas". For example the criteria don't address how they seed teams once they are in the field, it governs who gets in. You won't know it but there is simply no way UWW is not a #1 seed and hosting until Salem. I may be wrong and this year the rfional rankings are following different lines than what we have seen before so who knows. But there is nothing dictating to the national committee how teams get bracketed after they are in. That is a subjective process.
Exactly.  The committee reserves the right to use discretion when setting up the final brackets, regional rankings only play a large role leading up to Selection Sunday. Then it just becomes one of several criteria used.   Other factors are now considered, namely travel expenses for the NCAA, etc. Correct me if I am wrong but the NCAA doesn't even publish a final regional rankings at end of season for that very reason, I believe. Don't know anything about how they decide basketball, but as you have pointed our numerous times, Usee, it is necessary for the selection committee to compare apples and oranges here to a certain degree and they massage the final brackets as best they can to accommodate that. Regional rankings are not the, "be all, end all," that Q is making them out to be.  If UWW finishes the season undefeated, in what is considered the toughest conference in the country by many, and remain undefeated throughout the play-offs, they will not see a bus until the middle of December, IMHO. That goes for the Raiders as well.
#5
Quote from: seventiesraider on November 02, 2010, 05:19:02 PM
The number of parents who can pay OAC level tuition just so Junior can continue his football career is dwindling. I know I have parents who think I'm nuts when I try to get them to consider a DIII school. (There are also a fair number who quit after they find out they can't be an instant star in DIII)

I think the economic realities of today, are starting to wreak havoc with the idea you should work two-three years, spending that kind of money for a shot at playing one or two years for Mount.
Don't you tell them about all the "grant" money?   ;)
#6
Quote from: MonroviaCat on September 12, 2010, 03:13:03 PM
Quote from: Goal Line Stand on September 12, 2010, 02:24:09 PM
Quote from: MonroviaCat on September 11, 2010, 10:27:06 PM
Disapointing result today for the Cats in Thousand Oaks.  Turnovers killed us--not only leading to scores for CLU but keeping our D on the field way too long---by the 4th Q they were getting pushed around pretty good on the running game that they had been stuffing earlier in the day.  Credit CLU's coaches for half time adjustments as they played much better in the 2nd half.  Cats gave them one to many turnover and in the end that was the difference.  Doesn't matter now--have to win autobid (as does Willamette) b/c a 2 loss team from the NWC isn't going anywhere in the post season (IMO).

Any other thoughts?

My thoughts?  Why is it that when a team commits several turnovers, it is because they gave them to the defense?  IMO, most of the time, they're earned.  
True enough---I'd say that a couple of them yesterday were given in that they were balls that shouldn't have been thrown....but your point is well taken.

Ya, balls that shouldn't have been thrown are often the result of defensive pressure on the QB and/or great coverage by the secondary.  I appreciate your response. Not giving defenses props in a game with a lot of turnovers is just one of my pet peeves. 
#7
Quote from: MonroviaCat on September 11, 2010, 10:27:06 PM
Disapointing result today for the Cats in Thousand Oaks.  Turnovers killed us--not only leading to scores for CLU but keeping our D on the field way too long---by the 4th Q they were getting pushed around pretty good on the running game that they had been stuffing earlier in the day.  Credit CLU's coaches for half time adjustments as they played much better in the 2nd half.  Cats gave them one to many turnover and in the end that was the difference.  Doesn't matter now--have to win autobid (as does Willamette) b/c a 2 loss team from the NWC isn't going anywhere in the post season (IMO).

Any other thoughts?

My thoughts?  Why is it that when a team commits several turnovers, it is because they gave them to the defense?  IMO, most of the time, they're earned.  
#8
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 13, 2010, 09:08:04 AM
Okay.  I stand corrected.  It's freakin' hot!  Humidity??  Sure, but not too bad.  Houston is 94+% every day from about April to October.  But after a day of carting my son's stuff from car to dorm, I wasn't worth a dang last night. 

But Jamie's there.  He's officially a Blueboy!  And after seeing the incoming class, I am all the more convinced that my rant about seeing the future, is on target.  I totally respect everyone's cautions that I haven't the historical perspective to make that statement.  But I'm goin' back to work on the bandwagon!  There'll always be room for everyone. I'll just keep adding more seats.  However, I'm thinking of creating coach and 1st class seating.  The former being for those buying their tickets now...

We're probably gonna be young for another year, but that distant sound you hear is the the Blueboy drum corp leading them to battle.  We're headin your way!  And it doesn't end well for you!  Good luck to all this season!   :)
Ya gotta love rookies!    ;)
#9
Quote from: reality check on January 09, 2010, 08:07:05 PM
If LL left and it came down to Borland and Zebrowski, I doubt that Borland's experience as the HC of Baker University's women's softball team will be one of the major factors in the decision.  I agree that both would be worthy candidates but the notion that one's experience as a track and field HC or women's softball HC would sway the decision-making process in his favor might be a stretch.

Isn't it great that we have nothing better to do then discuss the hypothetical coaching candidates of a non-OAC school who has not actually lost their coach?!?  

When's the next college football game again?  (And don't say the Senior Bowl!)
I never said that his HC experience "would sway,"  the decision in Borland's favor but while it is not in football, there are certain duties that are part of the job, scheduling, budgeting, ect. that exist no matter what the sport.  The fact remains that they both have been HC's and that levels the playing field when comparing their resumes. I only stated that Coach Z may not be the heir apparent some posters on here seem to think he is.   ;)
#10
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 09, 2010, 01:40:52 PM

I would be surprized if Coach Leipold stays at UWW for more than one year. It is one thing to be sought out for a HC assignment, it is another
to throw one's name in the mix of candidates. UWW has a Mount alum
on staff waiting in the wings,  should Coach Leipold take another
assignment.

Don't automatically assume the HC job goes to Coach Z if an opening occurs and they hire in-house.  DC Borland has been there for 8 years and has HC experience also, (although in two sports other than football) has captained one of the best defenses in D-3 for the last 5 seasons and would probably be interested in the job.  Just saying, it could be a horse race.
#11
Quote from: kirasdad on January 09, 2010, 11:59:48 AM
Quote from: raiderpa on January 09, 2010, 11:08:10 AM
As a note on LL looking at other jobs, I think we are being a bit two-faced here.  We Mounties always took it as a sort of badge of honor when LK's name showed up in the news when other jobs opened.  He was not out pursuing anything, however take it as a compliment that a high level program likes and is interested in your guy.

I think there is a difference.  In LK's case it appeared that the other schools came calling and he didn't take interviews (that the public knew of, not as much internet news back then).  With LL, it appears that he is searching out.  Not holding anything against LL if that is what he wants, just wondering if there will be any fall out at UWW if he leaves, or if he stays and how this affects future recruiting.

UWW had already appeared in two Stagg Bowls when LL took the helm. It was on a roll before he got there, has continue on a roll and, I suspect, will continue on a roll after he is gone.   
#12
I would assume we are talking about some farm team, minor league opportunity but who the hell knows.......
#13
Quote from: D O.C. on December 13, 2009, 02:07:45 PM
Danny Jones, whom people who know him hold in high regard, IMHO, was a Hessian, a mercenary, a Blackwater employee. JD appears ready to leave that 'lil 'ol DIII school short of graduation for a baseball chance. That, IMHEducatedO classifies him as a Hessian, a mercenary, a Blackwater employee, as well.

Logic dictates after he unwound from that hit he was thinking about his baseball future.  I applaud him that he came back and did his job.
Hmm..............didn't a Cat from D1 transfer to Linfield to help them win a national championship?  What was his name?  Elliot something???   ;) I have no idea what the other rumor you are floating is about but if there is any truth to it, why is that different than any D-1 guys leaving school early for the NFL, NBA, etc?  Why don't you stop taking pot shots at the fans, players and school and lose with class like your team did.  
#14
Quote from: oldtiger on December 08, 2009, 05:35:48 AM
BB#16-

Spoke very briefly w/ Huffman following the game, more in passing, and he seemed coherent. His father appeared pretty PO'd after initially checking on Aaron,  which I feel is totally justified. It was reported/rumored, with no confirmation, both ears were swollen with bloody exudate from one following the "tackle."

The last 4 games, Witt's offensive package inside the 10 has been to empty the backfield and run a slight hesitation with Huffman, more or less, waiting for a seam to develop. While being successful, Huffman has been battling some injury issues and I think Whitewater's LB reputation precedes them.  The OC hung him out once too often and the price paid was severe. Prior to the injury Huffman was seeing what he was looking at and delivering the ball where it needed to be with authority.

Would have loved to have witnessed the 4th qtr w/ Aaron still controlling the reins.
Doesn't seem smart to go to the well too many times with that one, especially against a team like Whitewater.
#15
Quote from: maripp2002 on December 01, 2009, 11:20:03 AM
Not too much physically, "too much" with regards to advantage gained. If MUC and UWW make four straight runs to the Stagg Bowl those players will have played 6 regular seasons worth of football, compared to any team that didn't make a playoff (excluding the NESCAC) having just 4 or less, like the SCAC this year only had 9 games.

No need to greyshirt when you get two whole years worth of extra eligibilty just by being on one of the best teams. It is a system that allows winners to continue winning, and losers to be punished by not getting to practice more (sort of exactly opposite of what you need to be closer to equal). And if you figure that MUC has 200+ guys on their team (only so many can dress for the playoffs but ALL can practice) you start to see how that can become "unfair" with all that extra competition and time to learn the system. At least with a roster limit, you only have so many guys getting that extra two years worth of time and it won't be as big of an advantage.
I've got an idea, let's get rid of the D-3 play-off system and go to a BCS format with the games to be played one week after the final season game.   Then the best teams only get one more week of practice a year.  That will level the playing field.  
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