Quote from: Redtooth on November 08, 2023, 06:46:12 PM

Quote from: OzJohnnie on November 08, 2023, 06:13:53 PM
If a team with national aspirations isn't playing two top 25 teams in the non-con games, preferably at least one other top 10%, then they are taking a big risk. And, as SJU demonstrates this year, a loss to a non-con can be tolerated. Even a loss to a mid level conference team. Assuming we and BU seal the deal this weekend.

If BU lose then we'll be 1:1 against RRO and will likely never get to the top of pool c consideration even though we would still be regionally ranked.

Bethel's rank this week counts for RRO....see Pat's post earlier today.

Are there any Pool A bids up for grabs this weekend where a loss by one team would put the loser in the Pool C discussion? If not it seems like task for Saint John's is easy - win on Saturday and a ride the 2-1 RRO record and strong SOS to the plays no matter what Bethel does.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 08, 2023, 12:58:00 PM
Once ranked, always ranked hasn't been in play for a good while now. It's anyone ranked this week or on Selection Sunday that counts toward the primary selection criteria.

Thanks for clarifying.

Further confirmation I'm getting old. 

Quote from: TheChucker on November 06, 2023, 08:37:28 AM

Quote from: OzJohnnie on November 05, 2023, 06:17:05 PM
My prognostication:

If the Gusties win, then they are in and both SJU and BU are out regardless of how SJU does against CON.  If BU wins, then they are in, and if SJU beats CON then SJU is in as well.

I think the Johnnies are in with a win vs the Cob no matter what. Out of the five realistic Pool C bubble teams (UWW, Wheaton, SJU, UWRF, John C.), they probably have the 2nd or 3rd best resume' behind UWW. I think it's a battle between UWRF and John C. for the last spot.

Isn't there something in the criteria and evaluation of Pool C teams that accounts for Wins/Losses against teams that were Regionally Ranked at one time even if they no longer are ranked? For example, even if Bethel were to lose this weekend and drop out of the final Regional Rankings doesn't SJU maintain a 2-1 record against ranked opponents based on "once ranked, always ranked?" Maybe I'm misremembering the criteria.

It's Homecoming weekend in Collegeville this weekend. 2023 is the 20th anniversary of SJU's 2003 football national championship. The team will join 10 other inductees in the J-Club Hall of Honor Saturday night.

2023 J-Club Hall of Honor Class: 2003 Football Team
https://gojohnnies.com/news/2023/10/11/2023-j-club-hall-of-honor-class-2003-football-team.aspx

Thanks AO. So what you're telling me is after 2+ years of the MIAC being maligned the league not only got in a two loss team but also has either the #1 or #2 overall seed? This simply can't be true. It was only two seasons ago where a two-loss MIAC team didn't make the playoffs as Pool C bid. How could that happen this year? 

Quote from: AO on November 16, 2021, 02:29:59 PM

Quote from: SJUrube on November 16, 2021, 02:16:30 PM

Quote from: sju56321 on November 16, 2021, 12:45:07 PM
I have it as 21 point game.
Looking at final rankings if NCAA, SJU is ahead of UWW, so it looks that way-hosting if win-but that will be extremely difficult with bracket set up.

My understanding is regional rankings are separate from how the full tournament is seeded. Regional committees are in charge of the region rankings but after using those to fill out the field I believe the national committee could seed teams differently. So even though SJU is #1 in region 6 and UW-W is #2 the national committee might see it differently.

The regional rankings are also under the control of the national committee.  The Warhawks are heading to Collegeville if they keep winning.

Quote from: sju56321 on November 16, 2021, 12:45:07 PM
I have it as 21 point game.
Looking at final rankings if NCAA, SJU is ahead of UWW, so it looks that way-hosting if win-but that will be extremely difficult with bracket set up.

My understanding is regional rankings are separate from how the full tournament is seeded. Regional committees are in charge of the region rankings but after using those to fill out the field I believe the national committee could seed teams differently. So even though SJU is #1 in region 6 and UW-W is #2 the national committee might see it differently.

Has it been confirmed what what the ranked order of the #1 seeds are? Specifically would SJU be hosting through the semi-finals? The players need to take the games one at a time but as a rube I need to plan ahead.

I haven't listened to the latest podcast so if this covered there, or elsewhere, I'd appreciate the cliffs notes if someone can share.

Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 04, 2021, 11:05:12 AM
Nice, Hazz

Looks like the folks at D3football agree that UWW will get the top spot over SJU. With the 2019 semifinal outcome being the "tiebreaker". Which is interesting...I didn't think previous season results mattered.

Regional Ranks

I would recommend one of the recent D3Football podcasts for anyone who has questions around the alphabetical listing, how "ties" are broken between similar teams, etc. Pat and Dave McHugh from D3Hoops did a nice break down of the process and recent changes in a podcast a couple of weeks ago and I found it helpful in understanding these first set of rankings and what to look for in the weeks ahead.

https://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2021/10/22/bonus-podcast-youll-see-a-change-in-regional-rankings/

DII MSU-Mankato announced their spring football schedule earlier this week. They are playing five scrimmages and one official game. "The Mavericks will then host three straight scrimmages at the Blakeslee Stadium practice fields beginning on Saturday, March 27 against Gustavus Adolphus at 12:00 p.m."

https://msumavericks.com/news/2021/3/15/five-scrimmages-one-game-highlight-football-spring-schedule.aspx

I'm ok with no SJU games. Gary and staff have a track record so if games aren't beneficial it's all good by me.

Quote from: OzJohnnie on September 15, 2020, 07:01:11 AM
Did Bartch get a snap?  I don't think so but the participation reports I've been able to locate aren't too flash.   Anyone in a fantasy league that has access to those stats?

https://www.jacksonville.com/story/sports/nfl/2020/09/14/jaguars-rookies-handle-heavy-workload-victory-over-colts/5796352002/
"....and guard Ben Bartch had five special-teams snaps."

There was a brief video posted on Twitter of the Jags kicker celebrating a made kick and you can see Bartch flash across the screen at the start.
https://twitter.com/D3FBHuddle/status/1305317724256690176

Quote from: DuffMan on August 20, 2020, 11:19:15 AM

Quote from: SJUrube on August 20, 2020, 11:10:40 AM
-Gary Svendsen '72: Wrestling

Quote-Gary Svendsen '72: Svendsen was a three-time MIAC champion and a two-time National Catholic Invitational champion wrestler. He also won the 1972 NAIA national title at 134 pounds and finished his career with a program-record .921 winning percentage (105-9 record).

Gary was a teammate of my dad's.  I'd heard the name before but didn't realize quite how bad-ass he was.  I sent the article to my dad--he said that once at the national tournament, Gary beat an opponent, but there was some question around the score, so they made them re-wrestle the match, and Gary won again. 

Svendsen was SJU's first individual national champion in any sport. He did it at the NAIA level which would have included scholarship and/or the equivalent of DII athletes as well.

The J-Club and SJU announced the next class of the J-Club Hall of Honor yesterday.

https://gojohnnies.com/news/2020/8/19/baseball-sju-announces-j-club-hall-of-honor-class-to-be-inducted-in-2021.aspx

This class would have been honored this fall but because of social distancing restrictions their enshrinement will happen in the fall of 2021. Six of the inductees have a strong connection to football, as does our J-Club Distinguished Service honoree. Below is a list of inductees, with short bios from the SJU release for the football honorees.

-George Durenberger '28: SJU's first three-time All-MIAC honoree (1925-27 in football), Durenberger coached multiple sports at his alma mater and served as the Johnnies' athletic director for 42 years (1931-72). During that time, he presided over the addition of a number of new sports and the construction of several new facilities. The men's MIAC all-sports trophy is named in his honor.

-Chuck Froehle '57: Froehle was SJU's first four-time All-MIAC football honoree and three-time All-American, and was one of the key components on Gagliardi's early teams.

-Jim Lehman '56: Lehman, like Froehle, was another star on Gagliardi's early football teams in Collegeville. He was a two-time All-American at halfback and scored 16 touchdowns in nine games in 1955.

-Joe Mucha '66: Mucha was an All-American center on the Johnnie basketball team in 1965-66 and was also a member of SJU's 1963 and 1965 NAIA national champion football teams. He currently serves as a member of the SJU Board of Trustees.

-Jeff Norman '78: Norman orchestrated Gagliardi's quadruple-option offense for three seasons at quarterback and served as the team's kicker, where he booted the game-winning field goal as time expired for the 1976 NCAA Division III national championship. He earned All-America honors in 1977 and batted .331 with 11 home runs for the SJU baseball team.

-1965 football team: The second national championship in three seasons for SJU and legendary head coach John Gagliardi, the Johnnies defeated Linfield (Ore.) 33-0 in that year's NAIA national championship game. SJU allowed a total of 20 points in nine regular-season games, including six shutouts, and surrendered 112.1 yards per game.

-John Deters '92: Swimming & Diving.
-Jim Gathje '86: Track & Field/Cross Country
-Vedie Himsl '38: Baseball
-Terry Leiendecker '84: Soccer
-Joe Schoolmeesters '09: Golf
-Gary Svendsen '72: Wrestling
-Vic Moore '72: J-Club Distinguished Service Award

Interesting news. The biggest advantage for existing conference teams is it eliminates the need to schedule a third non-conference game following UST's decision to leave the MIAC. The divisions will take some getting used to but with the championship/playoff games the number of non-conference games stays at two.

There will be no shortage of speculation around who benefits from the division schedule. Each division has a clear favorite. In the Northwoods GAC and Olaf would be the two best bets to make a leap. The Gusties have been at the top of the second tier for what feels like 20+ years and Killian and Olaf are in prove it territory. Concordia and the Auggies are the likely leapers in the Skyline. The Cobbers of late have been the perennial bridesmaid but never the bride, with Lemke Lamker trying to regain the glory of his playing days for the Auggies. .

It looks like the crossover portions of the schedule weren't done by accident. GAC/SJU vs Bethel/Concordia are two of the crossover games for each team so it's relative strength vs strength. SJU's third crossover game is vs Augsburg, meaning MAC and Hamline avoid them. Bethel has a similar third game vs Olaf, making it so Carleton and Scholastica don't play a traditional nationally ranked team.

For the fun of it I looked at total 5 year W-L records for teams in each division and what the combined division W-L record would be over the same span. There's likely not a lot of takeaways, though Scholastica's raw record is significantly more impressive than MAC.

Northwoods 5 year W-L record
CAR 9-41
GAC 30-20
SJU 53-9
STO 18-32
CSS 36-15

Skyline 5 year W-L record
AUG 15-35
BU - 34-19
CON 32-18
HAM 13-37
MAC 25-35

Northwoods
2019 35-19
2018 32-21
2017 25-26
2016 25-27
2015 29-24

Skyline
2019 20-30
2018 24-29
2017 24-26
2016 26-24
2015 25-25

From Chad Courier of the Mankato Free Press - NCAA directs Division II programs to shorten schedule

The NCAA Division II Presidents Council voted earlier this week to cut back on the number of games each athletic team could participate in 2020-21. The one-year-only reduction is in response to the financial challenges that many Division II programs are experiencing, and projecting, for next season, created by the COVID-19 pandemic.

https://www.mankatofreepress.com/sports/local_sports/ncaa-directs-division-ii-programs-to-shorten-schedule/article_0e62ecee-9857-11ea-8b51-af1677c1fb08.html

https://gojohnnies.com/news/2020/4/14/football-take-me-back-tuesday-the-game-for-john.aspx

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