Quote from: amh63 on September 25, 2018, 10:52:36 AM
Several comments here before building a "sandbag" wall in the back yard.  Monsoon weather in the DC/Md area and ground saturated...floodgates shut along the Watergate shores...Potomac to crest. 
Seems lots of other posters have memory loses, video view mistakes and stats confusion.  Do not feel so lonely anymore . Anyway, thanks all for info and updates and clarifications.
Nescacman...your comment wrt to particular games as the schedule rotates is sound.  The conference "board" would be in Deep trouble to mess with some season ending BIG games.  Yes, the Nescac "Chief" is an Amherst person....last time I looked.
Do schools share videos of games?   Would think Amherst would like a video of the last Bowdoin game when the Polar Bears scored 24 points and a big bear runner broke a school record.  Do not know if Amherst send scouts to the next game.

Schools haven't sent scouts to games in years.  Every school has access to video of every game through DVSport.  Don't worry, Amherst coaches had the Bowdoin game broken down by noon on Sunday, probably earlier.

In my experience as a coach I can say that d3 SIDs will most often guess the attendance.  There are no turnstiles.  In the 'CAC there is rarely an entry fee.  It is a guestimate.  Even at the school where I served as head coach and we charged admission for non-students and those without season passes, I can state unequivocally that we just threw up a number for attendance.

Quote from: westcoastDad on October 14, 2017, 12:27:40 AM
Lumbercat,

Your last comment is probably the classiest reasoning I've read in regards to this "situation".  It all boils down to the coach and/or coaches.

The admissions deal is skeptical at best.  My kid got into Amherst straight from HS.  Many on his team transferred in from prep schools.  It's an old trick that even schools like USC use for the legacy of alumni.  "Sorry Skip, your grades and scores aren't good enough.  Go elsewhere your frosh year and transfer in."  The standards are much different for transfer kids.  Coaches bring in the kids they want under that cloak. And, they get an older kid as a freshman. 

Polar Cat, no sir.  I don't know what's the deal between the two programs.  Don't even care.  I'm amused that so many feelings are hurt by that picture. 

I've been on this board just 4 seasons.  From the beginning I saw posts about "Hartford St".  I thought to myself, that's funny but it's also EFFED up.  And, if I were a player and read or heard my school being ridiculed........easy bulletin board material. 

I'm not making ANY excuses for anyone.  I just watched unranked Syracuse knock off #2 ranked Clemson.  Last week, I watched Michigan beaten by unranked Michigan St. 

Listening to you guys whine and complain about one team that for two years (2014 and 2015) did NOT win NESCAC.......and tied with 2 other NESCAC teams in 2013.........bring some cheese with the whine next time.

Trinity is winning right now.  Middlebury is looking challenging.  Last year Tufts was on the rise.  Amherst is still relevant though doesn't have the players like a McGonagle or Kelly or Fairfield etc (experienced battle tested and talented all of em) that is needed to handle stiff competition.

The picture is not good lol.  But, boys will be boys.

A student gaining admission to college after a post-grad year at a prep school is not considered a transfer student.  The admissions office will take into account the fact that a student PGed but the standard isn't changed.  When said student arrives on campus they are a first year student.  A transfer would enter campus with credits from another college, might have lost eligibility to play based on credits and participation and would be looked at very differently by the admissions office than a student who PGed.

Quote from: Nescacman on October 13, 2017, 02:46:15 PM

Quote from: PolarCat on October 13, 2017, 11:33:53 AM
I'm a Jumbos supporter this week.

Here's the photo the Bants' Senior Rookie has as his Facebook cover photo:

 

Kid's never played a down of college football (I double-checked the Participation Reports to be sure) even in the blow-outs.  He hasn't even put in the work the other 2018's have, and he posts shyte like that.

I'll take the classier team any day.  Go Bos!

That's Hartford State for you...another word for Bantam is C$%K...and that's what those guys are. That's bad karma....at some point in their lives, it will come back to bite them.

And btw, bad job by the University of Bates scoreboard operator for leaving that score up for more than a second after the final gun. -K to him...

I agree on two points: 1 - the score board should be immediately turned off.  2 - Not only is a male "Bantam" a rooster (aka c$%k) but a small one.  A bantam (Indonesian: Ayam kate) is a small variety of poultry, especially chickens.

Quote from: Nescacman on October 12, 2017, 07:45:55 PM

Quote from: PolarCat on October 11, 2017, 07:44:40 PM
Mark Harriman is a fine human being.  It's impossible to dislike the guy.  And it's next-to-impossible to evaluate his coaching ability, since the Administration handcuffs him with a budget too small to even afford decent uniforms, let alone qualified assistants and coordinators.  In my opinion, Harriman's actually done a remarkable job, given the hand he's been dealt.  The boys have won 3 straight CBB's, despite the types of coordinators Colby's been able to afford, and Bowdoin's recent investment in the Wells program.

The Bobcats are the Jamaican Bobsled Team of the CAC.  Bates' new AD seems to understand the challenges, but unless Clayton Spencer signs on and opens up the checkbook, things are unlikely to change.

In the face of all that internal adversity, the players adopt an "it's us against the world" mentality.  They don't whine about it, they just try to rise above it.  Maybe a better life lesson than playing in a program that has the best of everything, though it can be frustrating as a parent and fan.  If my kid doesn't bitch, I figure I don't have the right to.

My 2 cents after 3 1/2 seasons of watching the program pretty closely.

Let's Go Yankees! We had to slip that one in for those of you now shifting gears to golf and finding a new manager....

Now on to more germane matters....Here we go again, we are sure Coach Harriman is a really good guy, "father of the year", great American, etc. We actually like him and think that Bates typically plays hard for as long as they can. That's not the issue. The reality is he runs a Model T offense in a Porsche GT3 era. The last team to run the triple option and win was 'Bama when Bear Bryant was there (not 100% true but close). To win in college football today (including the NESCAC) you need to spread it out, run no huddle, and go pistol/shotgun almost every play. Yes, you need athletes at the skill positions to run that offense....which brings us to our next point...

Sorry to bring this up to the PC crowd on this Board, but this issue is basically ignored....The Jamaican Bobsled Team? In order to be the Jamaican Bobsled Team would require Bates (and for that matter most other NESCAC schools) to actually add some diversity to their roster in a meaningful way. Maybe then they could actually stop being the Model T of the NESCAC. If you look at the NESCAC schools that have actually embraced diversity in football (Tufts, Amhurst and Wesleyan to name a few), it is no wonder that all 3 are among the top of the heap of the NESCAC....just sayin'...

We have to laugh when we hear people say that NESCAC schools don't have the resources to compete in football. Are you kidding? Every single one of these schools is among the most expensive schools in the country, most around $65k per year all in. And many of them have huge endowments to boot. That argument sort of reminds us of MLB where rich guys like the Wilpons cry poverty. Yes, we know about Madoff but trust us, the Wilpons more than likely have more assets and free cash flow than all of us on this Board combined. The point is, that all of the schools in this league have the resources. The truth is, the Presidents and Trustees at the have nots either don't care about winning, don't care about football, or both. It's all about allocation of resources...and for those that are a bit more intrepid, we know of at least 4 programs in this league where alumni provide incremental NCAA allowable support to allow the student/athletes to have the niceties that make a difference...coaches that don't take advantage of their alumni (and parents) are either lazy, stupid, or both...

Lastly, as far as adding a 10th game...forget it. It took 46 years to get a 9th game. There is a much better chance of having the NESCAC champ play in the D3 play-offs. That is what we should all be advocating for...

Picks to follow by tomorrow...

I have yet to figure out how to hand out positive karma on this board but ++++K for this post.

Quote from: PolarCat on October 11, 2017, 07:44:40 PM
Mark Harriman is a fine human being.  It's impossible to dislike the guy.  And it's next-to-impossible to evaluate his coaching ability, since the Administration handcuffs him with a budget too small to even afford decent uniforms, let alone qualified assistants and coordinators.  In my opinion, Harriman's actually done a remarkable job, given the hand he's been dealt.  The boys have won 3 straight CBB's, despite the types of coordinators Colby's been able to afford, and Bowdoin's recent investment in the Wells program.

The Bobcats are the Jamaican Bobsled Team of the CAC.  Bates' new AD seems to understand the challenges, but unless Clayton Spencer signs on and opens up the checkbook, things are unlikely to change.

In the face of all that internal adversity, the players adopt an "it's us against the world" mentality.  They don't whine about it, they just try to rise above it.  Maybe a better life lesson than playing in a program that has the best of everything, though it can be frustrating as a parent and fan.  If my kid doesn't bitch, I figure I don't have the right to.

My 2 cents after 3 1/2 seasons of watching the program pretty closely.

Harriman and his staff do a great job. The Bates players play their butts off during C-B-B.  They are always well prepared, play hard and the staff does everything it can with what they are given.

Quote from: maineman on October 11, 2017, 09:39:27 AM
Williams at Midd could be a trap game for the Panthers.  If they look ahead to the following week against Trinity, they may allow the upstart Williams team to pull the upset.  If Midd loses the turnover battle and gives Williams some short fields they will be playing into the Ephs hands.  As the underdog, Williams will be playing with few expectations and little pressure.  They have a QB that can run an effective offense and if given favorable field possession can keep the game competitive.  Even bad Eph teams give Midd trouble, like the 2014 OT game that the Panthers dodged a bullet on.  If the Ephs win, the appetite for the following weeks Midd-Trinity tilt will be far less inviting.

Maineman, I hope you are wrong about the possibility of a trap game. I don't think the Panthers will overlook Williams.  The Route 7 Rivalry has always meant a great deal to Middlebury.  I practically puke whenever I see the color purple.  I think Coaches Ritter, Caputi and Mandigo (all Midd alumni) will let the players know that you cannot take a bunch of Purple Cows lightly in your own house.

I look forward to a Midd win.  28 - 17.  Cheer boys cheer.

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Quote from: ColbyFootball on October 02, 2017, 12:37:18 PM
I can only address Colby. But the failures there are obvious to me. If any of you are close the situation I'd love to know what you're hearing from the players. What I heard and saw at Middlebury after the game was depressing for the players. Several young guys feel so beaten down by the coaching they're ready to pack it in. They are the future and they're being lost. Three games into the season and its that bad.

If coaching is a concern, allow me to rephrase the question ... would any of the four teams currently at the top of the NESCAC trade rosters - just the players - with any of the four teams currently residing at the bottom of the NESCAC?  In theory, if coaching was the issue, the implication is that the talent levels are comparable from top to bottom.

Rephrase it all you want, you still don't get it. Good coaches recruit well, don't lose an unually high number of players for no good reason, know how to manage personnel before, during and after games, and put their players in the best position to be successful. Colby just lost to Middlebury 34-6, and Middlebury's roster us no stronger than Colby's. Ritter has a great system and using his players to maximum benefit in his system.

I watched the Midd-Colby game.  I realize you are passionately attached to the Mules and I applaud you for that.  However, you are blind and don't really understand the game of football if you think that Midd's roster is no stronger that Colby's.  Probably the only team worse than Colby is Bowdoin.  Colby's QB play was terrible.  Midd's WRs are head and shoulders above Colby's DBs.  I don't mean to disrespect the men working hard in Waterville.  I just found your comment absurd.  Full disclosure:  Midd Class of '91, 20+ year college coach, 3 years as DC at Bowdoin.

I tried to clarify in subsequent posts, but they get passed over easily. The point I was trying to make is that Colby's players are capable of hanging with Midd. That the team is capable of competing. Might not win, but capable of competing. And I respect your years of coaching. Have you followed Colby game planning and play calling? I'd love to know your head best take, if you're capable.

I hadn't gotten to your subsequent posts yet.  I try to get on here on Friday night before games but wasn't able to until after the games today.  Midd beats the Jeff Smallpox Blanket Mamoths!!!

Responding to your question about the Mules offense, I think that Michaeles is a passionate coach who cares a great deal about his players.  I do think that his playcalling is somewhat predictable.  I was 1-2 against him so who am I to judge.  You're only as good as your players when you are a coach.  Colby's players are not very good.  It's not easy to recruit in Maine, especially Waterville.  You enter Maine and see Bowdoin, which is amazing regarding campus setting, college town, etc, then you go to Bates .  Nice campus and facilities but Lewiston can be a setback.  Finally you get to Colby.  Waterville has little to offer.  Nice campus, better facilities than Bowdoin.  Bottom line is that parents and recruits are going to look at rankings.  Most recruits who can  get an offer at Bowdoin would never consider Bates or Colby.  They are hoping that Amherst, Williams or Midd will offer.  Those who Bowdoin choses not to offer pick Bates or Colby. 

Just my two cents.  Cheer boys cheer!

Quote from: middpantherpride on October 04, 2017, 08:37:34 AM

Were you at thus past week's game? And how many Colby games have you seem the past few years?

I was not at the game, but I streamed the game. My question is how do you come away from a Middlebury win in which they absolutely dominated Colby in all 3 phases of the game, and say that Colby's top 11 could beat Midd's top 11 on any day?? And that Middlebury is not that good. I played Colby from 4 times in the past few years. I have respect for their players and they always play their hearts out. That said, its bonkers to say that Colby's top 11 could hang with Middlebury's top 11. Not even close. They have maybe 3-4 players that could start at any NESCAC. Beyond that, there is a huge drop off. And simply insulting to the Middlebury players to say they are not that good. They have returning All-NESCAC players on both sides of the ball. Don't take your frustration with the Colby coaching staff out on the Midd players. They have earned respect and they deserve your respect. So don't take shots at the Midd roster and make sweeping statements that they are not that good. Coach Ritter and co. have worked their balls off to build something special at Midd and their record the past 5 years and counting is pretty remarkable. Give them the respect they deserve. They ended the 21 game win streak of Amherst last year and ended Trinity's home win streak convincingly 27-7 in 2014. But keep hating on them. They feed off being the underdog.
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I love your commentary and welcome you to this board.  Great to see another Panther!  Cheer Boys Cheer!

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Quote from: westcoastDad on October 02, 2017, 07:53:29 PM
I'm not one for kneeling and crap during the anthem.  But, I'm also not stupid enough to continue associating their discontent with the military or first responders etc.  The protesters are clearly stating they are objecting to social injustices. 

Yes, but what the protesters are STATING isn't what a large portion of America is perceiving.  Look, you've been married, right?  Or at least in a relationship?  You must have had those moments when you said X thinking it was all innocent, and your significant other heard Y and went ballistic on you.  If you're like me, you've had dozens of instances when you wished you could walk back those words and make your point a little differently.  "Honey, I didn't really mean those pants make your butt look big, it just came out that way."

I agree with the message, I really do.  But it's become painfully clear that a whole sh*t ton of people won't listen to the message because they are hung up on the way it's delivered, and they are the people who most need to hear it.  The kneeling isn't helping the cause, it's hurting it.  Way too many folks only see disrespect to the flag, the military and the first responders, and not the reason for the protest.  It's widening the racial divide in this country.

And I am sorry to anyone who says we shouldn't discuss this here.  It's a dialogue we need to be having - respectfully - all over the country.  Besides, I think it's more worthwhile than continued Michaeles-bashing.

Please keep in mind that "Way too many folks" are racists.  They may deny it until they are blue in the face.  They may say "I have black friends" but the bottom line is that they see uppity black men being paid millions of dollars who are protesting and they can't stand it.  Many who agreed that we needed to make strides on racial equality in the 1960s couldn't stomach the protests that happened then.  They said it was too soon.  Look what has happened as a result.  We came a long way as a society but we have so much further to go now.

Quote from: ColbyFootball on October 02, 2017, 10:22:27 PM

Quote from: JEFFFAN on October 02, 2017, 10:13:41 PM

Quote from: ColbyFootball on October 02, 2017, 12:37:18 PM
I can only address Colby. But the failures there are obvious to me. If any of you are close the situation I'd love to know what you're hearing from the players. What I heard and saw at Middlebury after the game was depressing for the players. Several young guys feel so beaten down by the coaching they're ready to pack it in. They are the future and they're being lost. Three games into the season and its that bad.

If coaching is a concern, allow me to rephrase the question ... would any of the four teams currently at the top of the NESCAC trade rosters - just the players - with any of the four teams currently residing at the bottom of the NESCAC?  In theory, if coaching was the issue, the implication is that the talent levels are comparable from top to bottom.

Rephrase it all you want, you still don't get it. Good coaches recruit well, don't lose an unually high number of players for no good reason, know how to manage personnel before, during and after games, and put their players in the best position to be successful. Colby just lost to Middlebury 34-6, and Middlebury's roster us no stronger than Colby's. Ritter has a great system and using his players to maximum benefit in his system.

I watched the Midd-Colby game.  I realize you are passionately attached to the Mules and I applaud you for that.  However, you are blind and don't really understand the game of football if you think that Midd's roster is no stronger that Colby's.  Probably the only team worse than Colby is Bowdoin.  Colby's QB play was terrible.  Midd's WRs are head and shoulders above Colby's DBs.  I don't mean to disrespect the men working hard in Waterville.  I just found your comment absurd.  Full disclosure:  Midd Class of '91, 20+ year college coach, 3 years as DC at Bowdoin.

Halftime at Bowdoin. Trinity is up 31 - 0.  Very light rain. The score could be worse but for the conditions. The Bantams have never been mudders. Bowdoin is gutted by injuries. Puzzo and Chipouras look very good. No holes in Acquiluro's (sp?) defense.

I would like to give a shout out to the best coaching staff in the "CAC (Ritter, Caputi, Mandigo, et.al.) for their victory today.  The streak is over.  Cheer boys cheer!