FYI:  From the NCAA Div. III Manual

Quote17.11.6.1 Exception

An institution is permitted to conduct conditioning and strength training sessions and limited skill instruction during a consecutive five week period outside the playing season.  During this five week period, the institution may conduct athletically related activity on a maximum of 16 days with no more than four days of athletically related activity in any one week.  Any athletically related activity (per Bylaw 17.02.1.1) shall constitute the use of a day.  Skill instruction during this period shall be limited to passing, catching and kicking related drills. Such instruction may include offensive and defensive alignments, but may not involve contact.  Except for footballs, the use of helmets, pads, blocking sleds or any other form of sport-related equipment is prohibited.  No missed class time is permitted for these sessions.  (Adopted: 1/10/05, Revised: 1/9/06)

Pretty sure that no one in D3 is supposed to be wearing pads, having contact, or conducting scrimmages.

Quote from: WLCALUM83 on April 12, 2007, 08:11:00 AM
The following one-time MIAA football players have found a new league to continue putting that athletic talent to use in:

The link is:  http://www.continentalindoorfootball.com/  (click on team logo, then "roster")

Team                           Player                                      Position                               School attended

Kzoo Xplosion             D White                                    RB                                        Kzoo
Kzoo Xplosion             K Lackscheide                           OL/DL                                  Olivet
Kzoo Xplosion             A Storey                                    OL                                       Olivet

Muskegon Thunder     M Cumings                                LB/DB                                   Hope
Muskegon Thunder     D McKeown                               WR/DB                                 Adrian
Muskegon Thunder     A Pringle                                    DL/FB                                  Albion
Muskegon Thunder     S Wasil                                      QB                                       Albion
Muskegon Thunder     T J Williams                                RB/DB                                  Adrian

Miami Valley Silverbacks    J Oliver                                QB                                       Tri-State

What was the big kid's name from up in Kingsley that played for Olivet a couple of years ago.   He ran the Wing-T in Kingsley and thrived under Sigler's Wing-T.  Was that Storey?  I saw that name above and coudn't remember.

Okay, guys, I think we're missing my point, here.  Unless of course, your position is that DIII is inherently better than DII.  All I was trying to say was that some kids actually choose a DII school with education in mind.  I have to think that the majority of those kids know the odds of them ever making a living playing football.

I get your point, and in that sense, I agree.  Some kids head off to places they have never heard of because "they offered me a scholarship!"  Not the #1 reason to pick a college!  I get you now!

Perhaps it would be wise to "tread lightly" on the DIII is a superior education generality.  For example, Ferris State has an outstanding pharmacy program if I'm not mistaken and Grand Valley, an excellent education program.  Can you get these educational programs at a DIII school?  Education? Yes.  Pharmacy? Not to my knowledge. 

My point is, I don't know if it's fair to generalize that anyone who went DII did so because they didn't care about (or couldn't afford) a good education.

Not trying to light you up, here, but even after your clarification, I think you're missing the reason some kids go to DII schools.

WLCALUM,

I see what you mean when you say Hope's non-conference 0-3 showing didn't help their playoff placement, but do you think a 3-0 record vs. non-conference opponents with a combined record of, say, 6-24 would have been a better thing?  The teams that Hope went 0-3 against finished something like 26-4, I believe.  Is the answer to schedule non-conference cupcakes and look good to the committee or to play the best and let the chips fall?  It would appear that Hope learned this year, that losses to good teams doesn't do much for you in the seeding.

Anyone have an Olivet Score?