Quote from: fantastic50 on January 09, 2019, 01:48:14 PM

Quote from: scout on January 09, 2019, 12:43:11 PM
hey. is there a compilation of advanced metrics for d3 teams somewhere? i know massey produces ratings, but there isn't any kenpom-like evaluation of efficiency data. i did land on matt snyder's data (his forever faithful blog), but that's the only one i know.

who else produces ratings?

sorry if this is a misplaced post, i didn't want to start a whole new thread

I think that Matt's blog is THE place for D3 men's tempo-free statistics.
http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html

yea. i'll have to contact him. thanks!

hey. is there a compilation of advanced metrics for d3 teams somewhere? i know massey produces ratings, but there isn't any kenpom-like evaluation of efficiency data. i did land on matt snyder's data (his forever faithful blog), but that's the only one i know.

who else produces ratings?

sorry if this is a misplaced post, i didn't want to start a whole new thread

Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 15, 2014, 10:10:41 PM

UNE, ENC, and Roger Williams beat far inferior opponents.  WNE pulls out a squeaker against Wheaton; Nichols loses a close one to Bates.  Wentworth and Curry look to be pretty bad this year.

seems like the talent discrepancy between the top and bottom halves of the league is increasing over the years. that just might be a result of my increased distance from it all, but over the past few years, it's enc, gordon, salve, curry... and everyone else. une had a couple great years with their texas transplants. it's an unfinished thought, i know.

in any case, gordon scheduled a difficult first week. their annual loss to mit on tuesday and then a trip to rochester for a two game tourney. good chance to start 0-3

It's been a while since I've seen the breakdown as well but, from what I can remember, I think you have it correct.

Tonight's slate:

SRU @ GC
ENC @ WNEC (rescheduled from 2/9)
UNE @ NC
CC @ EC (rescheduled from 2/9)

SRU over Nichols - 86 - 75
ENC does the impossible against Curry - 100 - 80
Gordon tops Wentworth - 71 - 58
UNE over Endicott - 60 -59
RWU over WNEC - 69 - 56

Standings (I think):

Curry  13-3
Gordon  12-4
Wentworth  11-6
ENC    10-6
SRU    8-8
Nichols  7-9
RWU    7-10
WNEC  5-11
Endicott  4-12
UNE  4-12

Calm down.

This is a forum to discuss basketball. Let's try to keep it as such.

WIT is an engineering school with a decent pedigree for the sciences.. Gordon is a liberal arts school with a fantastic education program (though the new science center seems absolutely legit). It's comparing apples and oranges. Yes, they're both fruit in that they're both colleges. But that's about it regarding similarities.

Gordon has certain standards that hinder it in recruiting. This is well known. WIT does too, but they are not as much of a hindrance, I believe.

Regardless, both schools have performed well over the past decade in the CCC. Winning programs are fun to watch. Both of them fit that description.

Sherrad Prezzie-Blue is the best guard I've ever seen in the conference. Period. Gordon has had some great players, of which I would mention Aaron Trigg and Ryan Smith. SPB is better than both.

I would say that Schauer was the better coach. He did more with a lot less than perhaps any other coach in the conference during that time. But he's gone now... Gordon has to prove it can reach that level again with a new-ish coach.

Just stop it. At least keep the conversation to hoops.

Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 09, 2011, 11:16:40 AM

With three games to go, we're down to 11 still in the hunt.

ENC and WNEC must win out, with at least one of the five(!) teams tied at 6-4 losing out.  Gordon is just one game back.

I see some massive tiebreaker scenarios here.  I'm not going there just yet - probably with just one game to go.

There's very little chance anyone but AMC will claim the conference title (Regis and WIT are still alive, but with long odds).
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Med school has precluded me from keeping better tabs on the league as a whole. However, it seems that this year has been defined by trending momentum and the loss thereof.

Heading into the final stretch, are there teams that look better than when the season started? Teams that are falling apart?

I'm curious as to what dynamics are at play as the tournament approaches.

Quote from: WITball on December 30, 2010, 03:12:36 PM
First of Scout I dont gamble, never have and never will, its a waste of money so yes I obviously meant "wit -10" but as far as im concerend If i think wit will win by more than 10 points its +10...Second the 2007 game was also won by todd doyle hitting big shots at the end, weonard bynes punching Herrs (i think that was his name) dunk attempt up into the bleachers, and also very solid play from brian gaine....the game was lost by bajema who had a wide open jumper to win the game (due to defensive discommunication) but rimmed out...prob. one of the craziest atmospheres for a d3 game i have ever witnessed...When it comes down to it though PBJ killed it that game, like he did most nights

It's all good. I don't gamble either, but knew how the points spread works... so I thought I'd set the record straight.

Anyway, SPB did kill it that night. 30 points and it was all done when everyone in the gym knew the ball was going to him late in the game. Of course Doyle had his inside, but it was secondary to the effort of SPB.

In any case, I'm just interested to see how the conference shakes itself out for the last time before a few teams leave.

Quote from: CCC Talk on December 30, 2010, 08:02:36 AM
There's probably only 2 or 3 of us on this board that were even following the league then.

Let's move on.

I like Wentworth by 5 or so tonight.

That game began, was, and ended with Sherrad Prezzie-Blue. The Gordon team was filled with talent, but SPB won that game single handedly.

As for tonight, I have no idea what will happen. Gordon has been polarizing to say the least, reaching both extremes in terms of results. Wentworth has had a little consistency, but their non-con wasn't anywhere as tough as Gordon's.

I'm of the belief that tonight's game will go on to say a lot more about these two teams going forward than anything so far has done to say about tonight.

Quote from: WITball on December 29, 2010, 06:41:43 PM
BIG game tomorrow with WIT playing at Gordon...this is a classic rivalry and will be a great game...Big sam (not cement shoes) will need to hold down dempsey and walker while putting up solid numbers himself...I think WIT's guard play will be better than gordons but on a game like this it all depends on who shows up!  Should be a great game and I look forward to watching it!!!

WIT +10

You think Gordon should win by 10 points?

Considering your bias, I think you meant WIT -10.

The favored team is minus whatever the margin is. The underdog is plus whatever the margin is. Don't set a line unless you know how. We appreciate the enthusiasm, though. I always like a good point spread.

Quote from: tcccfan2010 on December 23, 2010, 02:44:00 PM
Dempsey is a special player, there is no one in this league that can guard him, if he gets his outside shot going he is deadly. He will be the POY before he graduates. Walker is a solid big that would start for any team in the league.

Saying that a team can start for any team in the CCC is not that big of a statement.

Please, check biases at the door and objectively speak about every team in the conference. It will save you a lot of ridicule and save people who have been here a while from the pains of redundancy.

Gordon is down this year. Plain an simple. They have a few solid pieces, but not enough to consistently be counted on to win.

Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 08, 2010, 09:51:31 PM

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Is there any news on the conference realignment front? Any idea what the new conference is going to call itself, etc?

From everything I've heard, I'd expect official news soon.  Although I also would have said the same thing a month ago.  I'm not sure what's holding everything up.

The post got noticed.  I've now heard that everything is official, but there will be no press release.  The nine teams that were going to leave to form the new conference are simply staying in the CCC with ENC.  They'll be a ten team conference next year with a double round-robin (18 game) conference schedule for basketball.

Well, that is just a little anticlimactic... When these teams said that they would leave to form a new conference, I thought they would create a charter based on some sort of position they felt wasn't being supported by the current conference.

In the end, this is almost a non-story, except that a few teams left (got kicked out).

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Quote from: CCC Talk on December 07, 2010, 11:44:39 AMNEC -10.5 at Green Mountain

Did you even research these?

Green Mountain is 0-2, by scores of 27-94 and 39-95.  They've only played five players total this season - no subs.

If the line is NEC -46, you might get even money.

NEC 70 GMC 23.  I almost nailed it.

Wouldn't the line then have been NEC -46? I am no sharp by any means, but we all knew what you meant and the number was the important part anyway. Heck of a call, though.

You could give Walzy31 a run for his money.

It does say -46.  No fair you changing my post in your reply.  I'm returning the favor in this one.

I just hit the quote button and went from there. Didn't change a thing. Anyway, no worries.

Is there any news on the conference realignment front? Any idea what the new conference is going to call itself, etc?

Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 08, 2010, 08:52:37 AM

Green Mountain had two transfers come in last year from scholarship schools.  From what I hear, they were only there to play ball and were talented, but not really a part of the school.

They did lose both those guys along with four (I think) seniors.

They've got six guys on the roster, but one is apparently injured.

I'm rooting for 40 minutes a piece for the whole season.

Anyone have Bob Ley's contact info to get this story on Outside the Lines?

Or at least E:60?

Not sure something like this has been done before... even for half a season.

Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 07, 2010, 08:04:52 PM

Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 07, 2010, 01:40:38 PM

Quote from: CCC Talk on December 07, 2010, 11:44:39 AMNEC -10.5 at Green Mountain

Did you even research these?

Green Mountain is 0-2, by scores of 27-94 and 39-95.  They've only played five players total this season - no subs.

If the line is NEC +46, you might get even money.

NEC 70 GMC 23.  I almost nailed it.

Wouldn't the line then have been NEC -46? I am no sharp by any means, but we all knew what you meant and the number was the important part anyway. Heck of a call, though.

You could give Walzy31 a run for his money.