Quote from: BigPoppa on May 10, 2016, 02:52:18 PM

Quote from: Hammer Ball on May 10, 2016, 02:33:33 PM
Johns Hopkins loses 4 of it's last 6, the Conf championship (won by Haverford), finishes 1/2 game over Haverford in Conf by virtue of a tie and goes 0-4 agst Haverford, yet JHU gets 3 Top 25 votes to Haverfords 2. . . . .  Voters please pay attention.

The vote doesn't ONLY take into account conference games... it looks at a lot of factors. All that really matters in the NCAA Regional Rankings, not the Top 25 Poll. Hopkins is 4th while Haverford in 7th in the latest Mid-Atlantic Regional Ranking.

Sure. Know that. But as between 2 teams i thought head to head and similar opponents would count more.  Plus I think only Haverford has beaten a present Top 25 Team (TCNJ). But i am not certain on that.

Johns Hopkins loses 4 of it's last 6, the Conf championship (won by Haverford), finishes 1/2 game over Haverford in Conf by virtue of a tie and goes 0-4 agst Haverford, yet JHU gets 3 Top 25 votes to Haverfords 2. . . . .  Voters please pay attention.

Quote from: Spence on April 08, 2013, 01:43:07 AM
In case anyone cares, here's what I've got for a top 25 for the week.

Re: the ISRs, I look at it but I'm not married to it.

1. Linfield
2. St. Thomas
3. UW-Whitewater
4. UW-Stevens Point
5. Cal Lutheran
6. Kean
7. Johns Hopkins
8. St. Scholastica
9. Webster
10. Wheaton (Mass.)
11. Manchester
12. Illinois Wesleyan
13. Wartburg
14. UT-Tyler
15. Marietta
16. Cortland State
17. Ramapo
18. Keystone
19. Salisbury
20. George Fox
21. Huntingdon
22. Haverford
23. Augustana
24. Misericordia
25. Southern Maine

Wouldn't DOMA prevent you from marrying ISR's anyway?

Team            Win%   SOS      Win%+SOS
Kean              0.947   0.577   1.524
Ramapo          0.882   0.574   1.456
JHU                0.867   0.567   1.434
Haverford        0.833   0.543   1.376
Misericordia     0.792   0.537   1.329
DeSales           0.778   0.539   1.317
Keystone          0.773   0.535   1.308
Alvernia          0.714   0.558   1.272
Wil Pat            0.700      0.543   1.243
Gwyn-Mer        0.667   0.525   1.192
Neumann          0.562   0.586   1.148
Swarthmore    0.667   0.48   1.147
Arcadia          0.658   0.481   1.139
NJCU               0.632   0.502   1.134
Mont St           0.500       0.603   1.103
McDaniel          0.571   0.531   1.102
TCNJ                0.550       0.545   1.095
Rut-Cam          0.565   0.528   1.093
F & M               0.556   0.511   1.067
Rowan          0.462   0.596   1.058

I likely missed schools so let me know.  I know the coaches voting consider more then just these numbers (e.g. teams they have seen, quality wins, poor loses, out of region performance, teams in their conference, friends etc..) but these are just raw numbers to start the analysis.

Quote from: Whatagame on April 04, 2013, 07:57:06 PM
Interesting to compare the D3.com Top 25 versus the ABCA versus Boyd's ISR's for this week.  Things are starting to fall into place, although the ABCA and Boyd's are valuing the resumes of Cal Lutheran, George Fox and Pomona-Pitzer higher than D3 poll.

The strength of schedule numbers between Boyd's and D3.com are still very different from each other, even with a large majority of teams in the nation having played at least 12 - 15 games.  Who's got it correct?

Personally, I like the Boyd's World SOS, it seems to reward a more even mixture of teams across the country who have made the decision to play tough schedules.

Agree

Great start to conference weekend in the Mid-Atlantic region with Ramapo v Rowan and Haverford v JHU - too bad they are on the same day.

Quote from: Spence on March 26, 2013, 06:27:02 PM

Quote from: Hammer Ball on March 26, 2013, 11:13:35 AM
I am missing the reason behind the ranking given St. Joe's(ME) in both polls.  Seems very high to me.
They do not have enough games to be given a SOS on boyds but their in-region SOS on D3baseball for 7 of their 9 games is 313!  Is that right? They swept a 2-12 Rhode Island and 4-5 Ripon and beat a 4 loss Wheaton(MA) and 5-9 Keene St.  Worst yet, they lost to a 3-6 UMass-Boston.

That 4-loss Wheaton took home a piece of wood last year from Appleton. UMass-Boston and Keene State are respected programs as well. Keene State has a lot of losses but they also beat Bowdoin and Western New England. St. Joe's also beat UMass-Boston and their other loss is to Webster who was also in Appleton last year.

If you extrapolated their record to teams that have played more games that would be 14-4 or 21-6 against mostly pretty good programs. It would surprise me if St. Joe's finishes with less than 28 wins, and they could end up with many more.

But at least they actually beat those 2-12 type teams they played. We've got a team in the top 5 that lost to a 2-10 team.

Respected does not mean winning, especially as to the Beacons.  They caught lightning in a bottle in 2010, but have only had 2 other winning seasons in the last 30, including 2 straight losing seasons in 11 and 12. In the end Keene St.'s going to 5-10 and St. Joes loss to Endicott likely will remove St. Joes from the Top 25.

I am missing the reason behind the ranking given St. Joe's(ME) in both polls.  Seems very high to me.
They do not have enough games to be given a SOS on boyds but their in-region SOS on D3baseball for 7 of their 9 games is 313!  Is that right? They swept a 2-12 Rhode Island and 4-5 Ripon and beat a 4 loss Wheaton(MA) and 5-9 Keene St.  Worst yet, they lost to a 3-6 UMass-Boston.

Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on March 26, 2013, 09:59:28 AM
http://www.d3baseball.com/top25/2013/2013week-5

Things are starting to get sorted out.

Some things to think about and discuss.

Should teams with less than 10 games be in top 25? as a rule no
Should teams with winning percentages .600 or less be in top 25? up to the voter but imo no
SCIAC teams got votes but no love for top 25 yet. SCIAC teams have beaten Trinity, Linfield, Kean all in the top 10. this poll seems to lean away from west region teams

Quote from: Ricky Nelson on March 25, 2013, 02:58:38 PM
Not sure if everyone knows, but the SOS numbers from the front page are in-region only.

I got my sos from boyds xcpt cort st,  which i could not find on boyds.

Who's No.1 Poll

Sal – 15-4 overall (2-2 for the week) sos 178 lost Series to 9-14 St. Marys
Trinity Tx – 23-5 (4-1) sos 169 lost to 2-10 Rockford
Cort St. – 13-4 (3-0) sos 146(in region) swept a 3-10 New Paltz

The No. 1 team should not have a sos of 146+, lose to a 2-10 team or lose a series to a 9-14 team - all 3 of the above are out of contention.

Marrietta – 9-4 (2-1) sos 25 split with 16-6 Huntingdon no issue 4 losses in 13 games hurts chances.
St. Tom – 9-4 (4-1) sos 32 lost to 5-2 (2-2) UW-SP. again 4 losses in 13 games hurts chances.
Linfield – 17-3 (3-0) sos 14 swept 9-12 (0-4) Whitworth. Strong Contender.
Chris New – 20-7-1 (2-1) sos 100 no shame in losing to 20-11 Averett.  2 early season losses to 11-13 LaGrange remove from contention.
Kean – 13-4 (3-0) sos 50 Nice wins v Alvernia, ECSU this wk. 4 losses v .500+ teams are still 4 losses. Factor in.

Others to Consider

Ramapo 10-1 (6-0) sos 143 3 wins v teams with winning records and 3 v losing teams. sos takes them out, for now. NJAC season will improve sos quickly.
Haverford 12-0 (2-0) sos 70 Swept 2 from 8-5 St. John Fisher. Only team to do what all others want – not lose a game. 6 wins v 2012 tourney teams. In the discussion.

For me it comes down to 3 teams. Linfield, Kean and Haverford. As only one of them has accomplished what all 3 want (win every game) I give it to Haverford.

Quote from: Mike Falk on March 21, 2013, 10:48:13 AM
doodlesdad -

Why should anyone be embarrassed? The difference in the polls points to the difficulty in evaluating teams that have played more than half their schedule vs. team that have only played a few games. Do you vote on performance or potential, results or reputation? Different voters have different philosophies, so early in the year this is going to happen. As others have written, this will change when the cold weather schools get more games under their belts, and the polls should be more similar.

Definitely no need for pollsters to be embarrased - Mike hit the nail(s) on the head(s) - plus its all for fun.  Enjoy the games!

Another question for the board veterans:  Who are the 25 coaches, Sports Information Directors and media members from across the country that vote for the D3baseball.com Top 25?  Are their identities and votes made public? Or are they protected as if they are members of Seal Team 6?  It would be interesting to know the geographical spread of the voters and which voters have seen which teams play. 

I clearly do not understand the ranking system and the numbers that go into the decision making.  As an example: Salisbury is 13 - 2 and has a 116.2 ISR (31st) and a 115 SOS and is ranked #1.  Cal Lu is 13 - 5 and has a 138.6 ISR (1st) and a 2 SOS but is not in the top 25.  There are many on this board much more experienced than me, hopefully one or more of you can explain how this makes sense and stop my uninformed ramblings.

My first, and last, attempt at a Poll. 
No teams with fewer then 10 games considered.  With less than 10 the sample size of in-season games is not sufficient to rank without relying on past performance and prognosticating where the team might end up at years end. Those factors, imo, are not a proper gauge on a teams performance at a particular point in a season. (The number 10 is arbitrary.) I should note that in doing this I realized how speculative an exercise it is.  I have seen 11 D3 teams play this year and might be able to fairly rank them.  (I even question my ability to do that after only a single game.) Yes the ISR and SOS weigh heavily.

and Big Poppa, how could anyone be unhappy talking baseball?

1 - California Lutheran
2 - Linfield
3 - George Fox
4 - Pomona-Pitzer
5 - Millsaps
6 - Texas-Tyler
7 - Huntingdon
8 - Manchester
9 - Pacific Lutheran
10 - Haverford
11 - Heidelberg
12 - Texas Lutheran
13 - Spalding
14 - Augustana, Illinois
15 - Neumann
16 - Marietta
17 - Kean
18 - Salisbury
19 - Trinity, Texas
20 - Christopher Newport
21 - Shenandoah
22 - Chapman
23 - Whitworth
24 - Redlands
25 - Cal Tech (for never giving up . . . and likely designing the defense weapons/systems that protect our country.)