I think it all depends on the match up...but I have not seen a team this year that Fisher could not beat.

Just got back home in Utica from the great game this afternoon. I did say on the air one time that the officials are doing their best to give Fisher the game...but if I had the chance I would take that statement back.

While I do think the officiating was poor and I do think there were a few more bad calls that went in Fishers favor I still think the Pioneers had a chance to win the game...especially in the closing seconds of regulation when they could not get a shot off.

In the end it was a fantastic game...I am disappointed but congrats to Fisher....maybe one day we can beat those bastards on their home floor.

you are right, Bombers. Based on the conference only stats she should be moved up the list.

Quote from: gobombers15 on February 19, 2007, 06:14:46 PM
If being #3 in the conference in scoring and #4 in rebounding only gets you third-team status, it's sure a bad year to be Erica Steele (16.6 ppg, 8.9 rpg). C'mon now, Adam.

I went by their overall stats and my observations....she was the last cut off my second team.

I have seen every team play at least once and here's how I see it....

Player of the Year-Ava Thomas (Utica)
Rookie of the Year-Whitney Smith (Nazareth)


First Team
Ava Thomas (Utica)
Lindsay Wilson (Hartwick)
Kourtney Troutman (Elmira)
Margot Sandy (RIT)
Allison Boehm (St. John Fisher)

Second Team
Mara Tichy (Hartwick)
Jenny Knight (Hartwick)
Mallory Davis (Utica)
Sue Kelly (Ithaca)
Laura Keating (Utica)

Third Team
Erika Steele (Ithaca)
Whitney Smith (Nazareth)
Marcia Coakley (Elmira)
Mary Symonds (Elmira)
Ramata Diallo (RIT)
Melanie Jackson (Alfred)

Fourth Team
Stephanie Bowens (Nazareth)
Joanna Dobeck (RIT)
Dana Danziger (Utica)
Erin Sanvidge (Ithaca)
Karen Crisanti (Utica)
Kelly Dunne (Nazareth)
Ashley Dean (St. John Fisher)

I have seen both Elmira and Ithaca play twice and to be honest I am shocked that Ithaca won the first meeting. I think Elmira beats Ithaca by 10 on Tuesday.

Quote from: tigerfan2 on February 11, 2007, 12:25:11 PM

Quote from: clearconceit on February 10, 2007, 12:23:53 AM
Well - that is 4-0 so far.  Nothing to have me changing my mind.  We absolutely dominated a weak Nazareth team tonight.  They are not in our league at this point.
Looking forward to sweeping RIT tommorrow.  God this feels great!!!!!!!!
By the way I checked out the RIT boxscore and saw the Cocozziello scored 31 PTS.  he is still my player of the year!


Alfred over Elmira by 5
Fisher over Ithaca by 20
Hartwick over RIT by 5
Us over Naz by 30

Saturday,
Fisher over Elmira by 37
Alfred over Ithaca by 3
Hartwick over Nazareth by 13
Us over RIT by 15


That's the way I see it!  And well UM we are number 1!

Clear, it doesn't look like you were seeing things too well on Saturday, and picking Fisher over Elmira really isn't an accomplishment, especially considering you weren't even close on any of the other games.


Does anyone other than Clear who was at the UC/RIT game have a game report? I already know that Clear's report will be something like "RIT didn't win, UC beat themselves".

I called the game and I have to say the Utica played as bad as I have seen them play all season. However, I do not want to take anything away from RIT. They played well and deserved the victory.

They controlled most of the game until the Pioneers went on a run mid second half that turned an 8-point RIT lead into a 5 point UC lead....and to be honest I tole my color guy off the air that the Pioneers had the game in the bag at that point.

Boy was I wrong, the Tigers played very well down the stretch and Tim Bacon who was a non-factor in the first meeting played very well (even made his free throws). Speaking of free throws...I believe RIT's Mark Carson has the worst form from the free throw line that I have ever seen...no exaggeration. Whitwood and Gethers also impressed.

I also believe all four teams will have a chance to win the tourney. I can't wait to call the UC/Fisher game Friday night. I am pumped.

Quote from: Superman57 on February 07, 2007, 02:07:01 PM
GB15...the one thing I think is that Utica is better on the road than they are at home and RIT has wierdly not lost on the road yet.... so I think that RIT is just a huge wildcard...  I'm also curious about the Ithaca-Fisher game... Fisher has done well vs. Ithaca the past couple of years

Huh....Utica has only lost one game at home all season and that was to Ithaca in overtime!

Quote from: fisheralum91 on February 06, 2007, 01:30:07 PM
Good to hear.
I know your GM very well.
The Doc mad mention of you the other day too.
Welcome to the board!

My GM is a good man....which is unusual in the radio world.

Quote from: John McGraw on February 06, 2007, 02:42:21 PM
I agree with Adam. It doesn't make sense to go from one Empire 8 school to another. Even if Nazareth is in a bigger area and Pittsford is nicer than Utica.

If anything, Division III coaches that want to move up usually go to Division I programs as assistant coaches. For example, few years ago GP Gromacki developed a great program at St. Lawrence. They went to the women's national title game in 2001 against Stevens Point. Later, Gromacki left St. Lawrence and took an assistant coaches job at Temple. Though, he eventually went full circle and now he's back in the Liberty League, at Hamilton. That obviously wasn't in his mind when he went to Temple.

There's a handful of coaches that have gone from the Division III ranks to a Division I assistant coach. Or, they become head coaches at mid-major D-I's and then gradually move up to the big show, like Wisconsin's Bo Ryan.

But, for this situation, I don't see Goodemote moving anytime soon. He's developed a good program at Utica and why leave a winner for the time being? I'd be thinking more that Kornaker would move on before Goodemote.

I agree...I think Coach Goodemote is happy at Utica and is in a good situation here.

Quote from: fisheralum91 on February 06, 2007, 08:44:52 AM
Adam the bull,
you working for Clear Channel still?

Yes I do.

Quote from: tigerfan2 on February 06, 2007, 10:51:29 AM

Quote from: gobombers15 on February 06, 2007, 10:21:10 AM
It'll be interesting to see if Goodemote can keep Utica as one of the top two teams in the league. I think the coming years will see a lot of parity in the league after Utica loses Bryant. In fact, aside from Utica, there seems to be a logjam between the next five teams. I even include Naz on that list because it's obvious they have great talent but they can't seem to win a close game to save their lives and have blown more 2nd half leads than we can even get into right now. There is a lot of young talent in this league right now and it'll be interesting to see whose rises to the top.

In no way am I saying that Utica won't be able to be one of the elite teams. Herring has a couple years left and Goodman/McClendon seem like they're both going to grow into quality bigs in this league. Goodemote also seems like he can go out and pick up other players to come in and help the program like Troy and Bryant. I'm just saying that with so many teams that will have seemingly equivalent talent levels, it's going to be an interesting couple of years. I don't necessarily think that it will be a guarantee that the league will always come down to Fisher and Utica.

Another thing that could prove interesting in the next couple years is if Goodemote stays at Utica. I haven't heard anything to indicate that he might leave but given the work he's already done he definately seems like he would be a good candidate for a bigger name program looking for a new coach.

Just for an example, and we can even keep it in the league, what if Naz got rid of Daley and brought in Goodemote. Nothing agaist UC but I would think that Naz is a more attractive job for a coach given the location (Pittsford vs. Utica) as well as a recruiting base and the compensation he would be likely to receive.
It's also scary to think how good Naz could be with all that talent they have and with a good coach leading them.
Again, just an example.

Tiger Fan...I would have to say that there is no chance Coach Goodemote would take the Naz job...I dont think he would move west of Utica anytime soon. He lives east of Utica....and is not likely to move....not to mention he has built something good at UC and I dont think he would leave the gig for a lateral move.

Quote from: gobombers15 on February 05, 2007, 06:24:53 PM

Quote from: Adam the Bull on February 05, 2007, 06:12:59 PM

Quote from: gobombers15 on February 05, 2007, 04:34:09 PM
I'm interested to know who the Utica and Fisher fans would prefer seeing their team play against in the E8 Semis. I have a feeling that most Utica fans would prefer to see RIT while most Fisher fans will want to see Ithaca. Just wanna see if that's the case.

(This is assuming that Alfred doesn't make it)

Adam, you were there. What was the biggest difference between the first meeting and second meeting between IC/UC? Was Utica just way off? Was Ithaca just hitting everything? I'm interested to hear why you think this game went the other way when Utica had a 30+ pt lead on Ithaca at Ithaca earlier in the year.



Despite their loss to Ithaca I think the Pioneers would have no preference between the Bobmers and RIT. I believe when Utica is playing their best basketball which they have for many games this season, they cant be beat by any team in this league. When they struggle to score they are beatable. I think RIT and Ithaca are very even.

GoBombers...I did not attend the loss to Ithaca as I was sick (thankfully I am finally feeling better) I was getting constant updates....and from what I gather from talking to the players and some attendees...UC did a very poor job on Burton after totally shutting him down in the first meeting. Also, I think the Pioneers went into the game over confident and were starting to by into the hype about the undefeated conference season...that said, even in the win at Ithaca I could see they were a decent team and I feel the same way about RIT. I will say that as far as the center position goes....Bostic is much more dangerous to the Pioneers then Bacon. Not necessarily saying that Bostic is better...I just think UC match's up better with Bacon.

Quote from: bamm on February 04, 2007, 10:31:40 PM
UCGrad,

I haven't heard anything about the cheerleader.  This, hopefully, is a good thing.  I wasn't at the game that night, so I really know nothing about the incident.

Pep,

RIT, as a team, are shooting 60% from the line.  The biggest problem has been at the center position, where it seems like Bacon and Mark Carson have shot something like 8 for 200 (really 43% and 14%, respectively).  This is more interesting in Bacon's case, as I remember him being very good from the line last year (I couldn't find the stats quickly). 

Anyway, the win on Saturday was huge on a number of levels.  The conference race is really going to come down to the wire.

I was in the arena for the Cheerleader incident...it was ugly...I hope she is OK, but have not heard anything.

Quote from: gobombers15 on February 05, 2007, 04:34:09 PM
I'm interested to know who the Utica and Fisher fans would prefer seeing their team play against in the E8 Semis. I have a feeling that most Utica fans would prefer to see RIT while most Fisher fans will want to see Ithaca. Just wanna see if that's the case.

(This is assuming that Alfred doesn't make it)

Despite their loss to Ithaca I think the Pioneers would have no preference between the Bobmers and RIT. I believe when Utica is playing their best basketball which they have for many games this season, they cant be beat by any team in this league. When they struggle to score they are beatable. I think RIT and Ithaca are very even.