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Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 13, 2022, 03:40:38 PM
That hardly seems unusual for a public address announcer.

I agree - that tends to be the norm for the PA guys.  Heck I've heard some of them still holding on to their own teams made shot "for Threeeeeeeeeee...." and the shot clock for the next possesion is already under 20   

With all due respect, and I do respect both of you, I disagree. This was not normal. I've been going to high school and college cames for over 30 years and I have never heard an announcer treat the opposing team like that. It wasn't the disparity in announcing, that is normal. It was the complete and utter apathy. Outside of announcing the lineup or substitutions he never said a Hope players first name or number, never raised his voice above bare minimum and only called out the points scored if it was a 3-pointer.

Like I said, I understand, even expect, the announcer to call the game differently for the home and away teams, but this just felt almost disrespectful to me. He literally couldn't have done less without staying silent.

What you're referring to is called...Homecourt Advantage.   

Quote from: Knight2Day on February 21, 2021, 08:33:34 AM

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Quote from: WUPHF on February 19, 2021, 02:11:47 PM
I think there will always be a market for a Calvin and a market for a Hillsdale and I would not be surprised to see it grow as colleges and universities move further left of 2008-2016 era Obama leftism. 

The growth of the classical school movement signals that this may be the case.

For sure, there will always be a market for a Conservative Christian education, but changing with the demands of today's generation doesn't necessarily mean becoming more liberal in thought or identity.

I can’t speak for hope, but as a Calvin alumni, the school has trended pretty wide astray from traditional values and biblical principles regarding gender and sexuality in the name of “inclusivity,” especially in the last 5-7 years. I can’t count how many “Calvin” families I know that are looking elsewhere because of this.

I haven't posted here in years but still lurking, reading and following Calvin bball. I'm another of those families that has had multiple generations attend Calvin and I'd be hard pressed to encourage my kids to attend in light of the trend in biblical values and principles that Calvin has veered away from.  I think you hit the nail on the head.

The final celebration notwithstanding I was glad to actually be in the GR area and see the game in person.  Doesn't happen too often anymore with living in Traverse City now.  An excellent game to bring my kids to for their first ever Calvin experience.

Quote from: hoopdreams on June 01, 2014, 08:20:49 PM
Not sure where is list of basketball non-binding "commits" can be found but Hope College is officially down one as of Friday

Is this presumed to be fallout from all the recent activity within the Hope program?

Obviously the biggest domino to fall will be who is the next coach, but I'm wondering does this have any impact on Hope's incoming freshman class/players for this fall.  At the DIII level no one signs a binding letter of intent to go to a school so realistically any player, even current team players as well as new recruits, is welcome to leave the program without any penalty of sitting out a season.

Will there be any "free agent" players as a fallout of this news?

Pretty shocking.

I don't get to see too many games anymore but with the benefit of a nationwide broadcast an observation from today's Calvin/Hope game.  Calvin needs to power through anticipated contact around the basket and stop worrying about a foul they think is coming.  If they concentrated just on making the basket, finished stronger and didn't worry about if they might get fouled or not their field goal % would probably increase within 5' of the basket and  it'd probably actually result in getting more foul shots and And 1's because they wouldn't altering their shot with scoop shots, double pumps etc.  They've just got too much size inside to not dictate play and finishing around the basket.

2nd, and maybe I'm wrong here or the game has just changed since I recall watching Calvin a number of years ago, but that game seemed to be played at a rag-tag pace with offensive sets executed at the level of an open gym.  Both teams seemed to not have a ton of flow, with lots of quick shots.  Seemed to really illustrate Calvin's lack of a veteran floor leader.

And last but not least, Calvin has to put up with Hope's backcourt for another 2-1/2 years.  They are good already and will be really really tough as Juniors and Seniors.

Quote from: ziggy on September 17, 2013, 08:53:36 PM

Quote from: wiz on September 17, 2013, 08:31:47 PM
A nice sports day at Calvin College.

Men's soccer, oh my.

Calvin really needed that win too after a rough start to the year.  Here's hoping it sparks a turnaround.

Quote from: almcguirejr on March 05, 2013, 09:02:03 PM

Quote from: HollandKnight on March 05, 2013, 08:55:13 PM

Quote from: sac on March 05, 2013, 04:25:35 PM
dates to circle

Saturday Jan. 11, 2014   Hope at Calvin
Wednesday Feb. 5, 2014  Calvin at Hope

Saturday, March 1, 2014 MIAA Championship game

I'm excited to see how those games and more importantly there seasons turn out especially with both teams loosing 2 key players (Hope: Overway and Snuggerud and Calvin: Powell and Rietema) both are also loosing minor players (Demaagd and Deboer {whose leadership will be missed}).
     
     But why dwell on the future when we are standing in the present.

Calvin also losing Snikkers.

Al  beat me to the punch by a whole 6 seconds.  +k

Quote from: HollandKnight on March 05, 2013, 08:55:13 PM

Quote from: sac on March 05, 2013, 04:25:35 PM
dates to circle

Saturday Jan. 11, 2014   Hope at Calvin
Wednesday Feb. 5, 2014  Calvin at Hope

Saturday, March 1, 2014 MIAA Championship game

I'm excited to see how those games and more importantly there seasons turn out especially with both teams loosing 2 key players (Hope: Overway and Snuggerud and Calvin: Powell and Rietema) both are also loosing minor players (Demaagd and Deboer {whose leadership will be missed}).
     
     But why dwell on the future when we are standing in the present.

I think you missed one key player on the Calvin side...he may not have won the MIAA MVP this year but I don't think there is anyone on this board who would say that Tom Snikkers isn't a KEY player and significant loss, probably more so than the two you did mention 

Quote from: sac on February 10, 2013, 02:48:05 PM

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Quote from: Titan Q on February 09, 2013, 05:58:58 PM
Just finished watching the entire Hope/Calvin game on World Harvest TV - DVR'd it and got to skip through the timeouts, commercials, etc.  Quite a luxury for a D3 game!

I think I was about as neutral of an observer as you'll find in this one - I had zero rooting interest, just wanted to 1) enjoy the rivalry atmosphere, and 2) get a little better feel for Calvin.  There has been some discussion about Calvin's placement in the Great Lakes regional rankings so was looking to see for myself what kind of team the Knights are.  I didn't think the officials were biased either way in this one.  Like any game, there were some bad calls, and other bang-bang type calls that could have gone either way, but it seemed balanced to me.

I enjoyed watching the game.  Great atmosphere.

I would agree on good close game, great atmosphere and the reffing being unbiased except for those under the basket calls I previously alluded too.  It's one thing to call a loose ball foul under the basket when guys are fighting for a loose rebound but making that call against the defensive team multiple times AFTER the ball has gone through the hoop and on what was clearly borderline contact and boxing out seems to be a pretty big anomaly compared to most games.  I just think they got suckered, multiple times, into what should have non-calls.  It's one thing if it was a clear loose ball and a Hope player was clearly prevented from getting an offensive rebound, those calls they should make.  But in those multiple calls there was some acting going on and the ball was NEVER even in play for a rebound on top of that.

All in all a good rivalry game (though wish the result would've gone the other way), and nice to be able to see the game up here in Northern MI from the comfort of my own family room.  Also pretty strange to see that Hope is gonna have an all lefty shooting back-court for the next few years, don't see that often.

I'm going to watch this again tomorrow and I'll pay attention to these because it was quite curious to see I think 4 of these called in one game.

The one that really caught my attention was on a Hope ft late in the first half, on the first free throw Mickey DeVries got his arms up and into Chase DeMaagd's face as the ball went through the net.  The official came right over to him and probably said something like 'don't do that'.  Mickey nodded his head.  On the second ft he does the same thing and the ref called it.  That really isn't the refs fault.

Having watched it again I think you bought the drivel spewing from Tom Clearly's mouth about Hope players diving.  Talk about leading the witness.   


Second observations:

--It was a lot tougher to score than even I realized watching the game live, that 10 minutes first half stretch where Calvin held Hope to 6 points was the big minutes of the game.   Those were the same 10 minutes Hope was blown out of VanNoord yet yesterday they kept themselves in it because they were better on defense and rebounded really well this time.

--shot selection was really bad for both teams a few times, perhaps again the two defenses making life more difficult for each other.

--Grant Neil's hustle play to knock the ball off the Calvin defender in the final seconds was pretty awesome live and even better on replay.

The announcer may not have been perfectly unbiased but I still challenge anyone to come up with the last game at any level that had 4 of those calls AFTER a basket was made.  I still say that they were pretty nit-picky calls made by the refs that Hope helped, give them credit for this, to draw the whistle on.

Don't confuse my focusing on that area as the reason for the Calvin loss and Hope win.  I think there were many other things that each team did or didn't do that contributed to the end result.  But you can't deny that taken together, both the type of call and the number of times they called it was quite curious and strange.

Quote from: arena on February 09, 2013, 08:40:29 PM

Quote from: wiz on February 09, 2013, 07:45:24 PM
Officiating was horrible, but...it was equally bad on both sides.  A number of teams I commented to the biased Calvin fan sitting next to me with "that was a gift."  Calvin did not lose because of officiating or rebounding.  The one thing completely in Calvin's control is free throw shooting and they could do no better than 50%.  At a meager 70%, Calvin wins by 2 instead of losing by 3.

True, and some improved shot selection would have helped.  That 3 by Brink at the end of the game was rushed.  There was time to work at a better shot.  Calvin did not need a three at that point.  Decision making was poor.

Agree with you on the shot selection.  Expanding on that I thought there were multiple times were Calvin took a 3 that was contested and early in the shot clock.  In those instances they weren't good 3's at all, if shot clock had been running down they would've been understandable.  I know for sure that Snickers and Powell both had a couple instances of this...should've worked it around a bit of the shot clock to get a better shot, the 3's they jacked up early in shot clock with man closely guarding them are shots that anyone could get at anytime...because they weren't that great of opportunities.

Also, agree with some previous posters on Chase DeMaagd.  His contributions were very underrated and more importantly was the timing of them.  He kept Hope in the game for that stretch and that changed the entire complexion of the contest, especially considering Hope had an all freshman back court that played well but could've got rattled if they got down early considering what happened in the previous Calvin vs. Hope game.  Chase was defiantly Hope's unsung hero and it was a great final rivalry game for a senior to go out on.

Also wanted to give credit where credit is due.  NVA for Hope was the key to that game for them.  He had an excellent all around game today and made some very nice passes out of the post too to cutters and open shooters as well as finishing most of his chances around the basket.  I think the road block that he runs into is he doesn't have games like that consistently.  He definitely showed up today in a big way.

Quote from: Titan Q on February 09, 2013, 05:58:58 PM
Just finished watching the entire Hope/Calvin game on World Harvest TV - DVR'd it and got to skip through the timeouts, commercials, etc.  Quite a luxury for a D3 game!

I think I was about as neutral of an observer as you'll find in this one - I had zero rooting interest, just wanted to 1) enjoy the rivalry atmosphere, and 2) get a little better feel for Calvin.  There has been some discussion about Calvin's placement in the Great Lakes regional rankings so was looking to see for myself what kind of team the Knights are.  I didn't think the officials were biased either way in this one.  Like any game, there were some bad calls, and other bang-bang type calls that could have gone either way, but it seemed balanced to me.

I enjoyed watching the game.  Great atmosphere.

I would agree on good close game, great atmosphere and the reffing being unbiased except for those under the basket calls I previously alluded too.  It's one thing to call a loose ball foul under the basket when guys are fighting for a loose rebound but making that call against the defensive team multiple times AFTER the ball has gone through the hoop and on what was clearly borderline contact and boxing out seems to be a pretty big anomaly compared to most games.  I just think they got suckered, multiple times, into what should have non-calls.  It's one thing if it was a clear loose ball and a Hope player was clearly prevented from getting an offensive rebound, those calls they should make.  But in those multiple calls there was some acting going on and the ball was NEVER even in play for a rebound on top of that.

All in all a good rivalry game (though wish the result would've gone the other way), and nice to be able to see the game up here in Northern MI from the comfort of my own family room.  Also pretty strange to see that Hope is gonna have an all lefty shooting back-court for the next few years, don't see that often.

Only thing I thought the refs could've improved on significantly is seeing through the flops inside by Hope's big men.  Between NVA and Snuggerud (maybe the two biggest guys on the court) they sure have a hard time staying on their feet when rebounding.  The refs were buying their flops hook, line and sinker resulting in multiple trips where they scored a basket and then got the ball back on a loose ball rebounding foul.  Other than that I thought a good hard fought game though I suspect neither team will be happy with their free throw shooting.  I thought NVA for Hope had a really good game (can't believe the last lefty hook shot going in) and for Calvin Reitma had a really nice all around game too.

Quote from: DBQ1965 on January 05, 2013, 10:27:41 PM

Quote from: hoopdreams on January 05, 2013, 08:55:28 PM
1.  His attitude- poor, was brought to light, by him, in a press article.  And I was not the only person to discuss it. 
2.  He played great against alma and showed Zero signs of a bad back on Thursday
3.  The 3+ hour bus ride could have caused his back to tighten
4. If you're referring to my all star squad, I said the guys you hate to play against but love to have on your team.  You can't really argue with my choices.  Good thing I didn't name the coaching staff.  Should I have called it the all-arrogant, sometimes dirty, always cocky team, hate to get beaten by but love to win with team?
5.  Did coach Neil choose to play him in the second half against Alma because he didn't want to lose at home to the lowly Scots?  Did he sell his soul for a W? And didn't use him today because he didn't need to?

Sorry to ruffle your feathers but based on my +11 K this week, surely now to take a major hit, I must not be too far off base.  If the players in question can be disrespectful to their teammates and mentor, get in fights, get drunk-legally or not, they can handle some critiquing...if they even read this silly board

If you got +11 K this week, how come your karma is 0?

Tells you the hole that hoopdreams has clawed his way out of