Quote from: Mavchamp on March 23, 2025, 04:36:38 PMI think affiliates count towards an AQ...... provided I'm reading this article from Pat Coleman correctly
 
https://www.d3sports.com/notables/2022/01/d3-reduces-aq-requirements

It states that it was 7....but reduced to six schools for the AQ.

"extending automatic qualification status to essentially any group of.....schools offering a sport"

The question is.....

Can the ASC and the SCAC both move forward with six for 2026?

SCAC:  Austin College, TLU, Centenary, Lyon, Hendrix

ASC:  UMHB, HSU, ETBU, HPU, McMurry, Schriener

Can the SCAC get Trinity or Southwestern to stay instead of moving to the SAA?  Can they get someone from the Sooner Conference to come over?  Louisiana Christian?  Nelson?  Maybe Belhaven?

Can the ASC lure more from the SCAC?  Will Sul Ross return to D3?  Can they get LCU or Nelson?  Belhaven?

I punched the numbers for Belhaven on joining.
 
USAC Average: 608.1
Brevard 549
Greensboro 713
Huntington 248
LaGrange 343
Methodist 763
North Carolina Wesleyan 847
Southern Virginia 794

SCAC Average: 375.4
Austin 440
Texas Lutheran 605
Centenary 221
Lyon 324
Hendrix 287



From strictly a travel standpoint, it's a no brainer but there is more to these decisions than just a map. 

Quote from: BaboNation on March 22, 2025, 11:36:53 AMUnforced error by the NCAA scheduling both men's and women's finals on the same day and hour.
Maybe it's a 1st world problem for NYU, having both teams make it this far, but really an unnecessary set of circumstances.

It's an online platform, it's not like they need to worry about broadcast time space.

If you are Lyon, isn't the smart move to start asking their primary conference mates Westminster and Greenville if they would like to play in more southern locations than the frozen north. It would shift the problem to the UMAC not having enough members but would solve SCAC's problem.

The big thing a conference tournament gives you is the ability to play more games in a season. The NCAA lets you not have to count the conference tournament games against your total number of games as long as the conference tournament is for an AQ bid. Until that changes, I doubt conferences are going to give up their conference tourney.

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Something I have never seen before early in the Wheaton @ Carroll game. Wheaton, leading 7-0, blocked a punt and recovered it in the Carroll endzone for a TD. Flag on the play and it was ruled that a Wheaton player illegally batted the ball to keep it from going out of bounds through the back of the endzone (allowing his teammate to recover it). The strange part was that Carroll was given a first down instead of Wheaton's ball near the Carroll EZ. Big penalty and seems disproportionate.

Curious: what was the distance on it? I did a quick Google search and it looks like an illegal bat is a 10 yard penalty.

Other possibility is that an illegal bat also carries a loss of down. Not sure if that's why Carroll got the ball back?

It was 4th and 7. Seemed strange that you could block a punt and during the scramble to recover it, a penalty gives the ball back to the punting team. I kind of thought it would be like an illegal block on an interception return. Penalty for the return team but doesn't nullify the turnover.

But in the interception return scenario the penalized team has possession prior to the penalty.  On the punt block play Wheaton committed the penalty prior to gaining possession, so there is no turnover.  (Is that the right way to look at it?)

I'm not certain on the rule but that's how I understand it as well. Until someone on Wheaton is holding onto the football, it is still Carroll's ball since they snapped it.

Quote from: Gregory Sager on July 23, 2023, 10:21:47 AM
The Red River Conference, which is the NAIA league that occupies the same geographic footprint as the ASC, is a grab-bag of institutions: five or six branch campuses of large state universities; several tiny private HBCUs; a medium-sized Catholic university; a couple of very conservative evangelical schools; and so on. Some of them might be disposed to joining the ASC, although most of them would have to add a few sports in order to qualify for D3 membership (it's fortunate that few of them have cross-country or track & field, relatively inexpensive sports for budgetary purposes that also have the virtue of attracting fairly large numbers of student-athletes).

The problem from a football perspective is that I don't think any of the RRC schools, regardless of size or affiliation, have football programs. Unless the ASC can entice an NCAA scholie school that has football to move to D3, or it expands its already-large footprint, the ASC would either have to persuade current or future members to add football or drop the AQ for that sport.

Louisiana Christian, Texas College, and North American have football teams in the Sooner Athletic Conference. North American is brand new to NAIA (they just had or are about to have their first year of full membership) and Louisiana Christian was former ASC member Louisiana College.

Quote from: WUPHF on January 24, 2023, 08:36:56 AM
Kollar is apparently out after more information came to light.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/chicago/news/concordia-mens-basketball-coach-out/

That article said the NCAA stepped in and forced them to not play the rest of their conference schedule. Is that true or was it just the NACC that took that action? The NACC standings website says it was because a violation of conference rules (presumably forfeiting their games in early January). Also that would mean it is a conference situation which the NCAA wouldn't have the authority over. It also appears to be an easy mistake by a copy editor to switch "NACC" that was written with "NCAA" thinking the writer just made a typo.

Quote from: gordonmann on February 08, 2022, 01:52:49 PM
Please tell me they are the Lyon Lions.

Lyon Township High School in the Chicago suburbs is the Lyon Lions.

UAA brings back Johns Hopkins and pulls everyone together for an AQ in football with Chicago, WashU, Carnegie Mellon, Case Western Reserve, Rochester, and JHU.



Extremely unlikely.

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I don't know if W&L is favored to host a sectional or if that depends on results tomorrow, but the field appeared to be shaky with a lot of slipping and sliding.

Does anyone know if the soccer tournament handbook switched from 500 to 600 miles for flights? I know it is 600 this year for football. Regardless, if Emory wins, W&L will most likely host. They are the only school within 600 miles of Emory left in the possible quadrant (472 miles according to TES).

If Hanover and Messiah win, I think W&L would most likely host if the rule is 500 miles as they are the only school within that radius of the other 3. Messiah could host if the rule changed to 600 miles (547 miles according to TES between Hanover and Messiah vs. 449 Hanover to W&L). Rowan or Christopher Newport are fine for either school.

If Hanover and Kenyon win, then it depends on the mileage again. CNU to Kenyon is 550 miles while Rowan to Kenyon is 482. Hanover is obviously a relatively short hop. So if the rule is 600 miles, Kenyon is in play, but if it is 500 miles, probably only in play if Rowan wins (482 miles Rowan to Kenyon). Frankly, W&L would probably be the better choice, with a much more central location, but who knows?

Given the way the bracket is set up, it looks to me like W&L is the quadrant's highest seed. So I suspect they will host as all remaining schools are within 500 miles, let alone 600, and there is no conflict men/women, but it wouldn't be the first time the bracket setup in my opinion doesn't match where we think things should go. Either Kenyon or Messiah could host, given other scenarios, so long as Hanover wins and the radius is 600 miles.

I certainly don't see DIII splashing out for a flight for Emory if they don't have to.

If Messiah women's team wins today I believe Messiah men would not be able to host as the women might host next round? I assume the women are a fairly high seed with only 2 losses.   Just something else to consider.

If both were chosen to host, the men would get priority to be the host for the second weekend in an odd number year. Women had priority this weekend.  Now this assumes the school also put into to host both a women's pod and a men's pod which I'm sure Messiah would have done.

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You might want to wait till tomorrow till you try to explain possibilities........

I have a feeling I know what you're saying. If so, will make all games this weekend meaningless.

The suspense is killing me....

The LF poster will know better than I but if I'm reading into his post, I take it as LF petitioning to have the Cornell game count as 4 quarters and not 2 since it was stopped bc of weather.

If accurate, LF has enough quarters led already to make this weekends games irrelevant for purposes of deciding the conference champion.

Now, if Chicago comes out and throughly beats LF....they may get in w Pool C bid.

Unless Monmouth were to lose to Knox in which case a Chicago win would give them the head to head advantage over Lake Forest to grab the Pool A and we never even look at quarters led.

Quote from: BigRedScots on November 07, 2021, 01:57:05 PM
Heading into week 10


Quarters Led:
Lake Forest 30/30
Chicago 27/32
Monmouth 26/32

Lake Forest
Win: champs
Lose: win 2 quarters = champs. Win (1) quarter and will tie Chicago w 31 quarters led. Lose all 4 quarters and season over.

Chicago
Win: win all (4) quarters and champs. Win and lead for 3 quarters = 3-way tie.
Lead for 2quarters or less = season over.

Monmouth
Mathematically eliminated. At the conclusion of LF/UC game, one of these teams is guaranteed to have more quarters led than the Scots. IMO, if they would have beaten Ripon for all (4) quarters, they would be sitting very well into week 10.

I don't think Monmouth is out of it. It's quarters LED so if Lake Forest and Chicago spend most of the day Saturday tied neither are picking up quarters. That and a Chicago win causes a three way tie and gives Monmouth a chance.

https://www.d3soccer.com/ncaa-publications/2021/2021-NCAA-Division-III-Soccer-Pre-Championships-Manual.pdf

Page 25 says women have hosting priority the first weekend in odd years. Men have hosting priority the second weekend in odd years.

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Quote from: BigRedScots on October 31, 2021, 11:33:46 PM
This could get real interesting.

LF has led every quarter in conference
Monmouth has led every quarter except the 4  vs LF
Chicago has led every quarter except the 4 vs Monmouth

Meaning.......

If Chicago beats LF and leads LF for 4 quarters = there will be a coin flip to decide conference champion.
If Chicago wins and doesn't lead for all 4 quarters....LF wins conference.
LF just needs to lead for 1 quarter vs Chicago and wins conference.


If it comes down to a coin flip...Hope there's a live feed!

However, their use of the word "division" makes me wonder if this tiebreaker only applied to the divisional format that they abandoned once SNC split. Although they certainly could use this tiebreaker but it just seems to me it was written to break divisional ties

If you go back to Page 602 of this thread, the quarters led tie-breaker was on the books in 2013.

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Their SOS number may be better but will their actual schedule?

Oh, h*ll no. But my understanding is they'll consider the number, not the "eye test," politicking, or third-layer analysis of who beat whom.

It is absolutely more nuanced than that, especially in football where there are only 10 games and often only one non-conference game.

Well, if nuance, preseason biases, 2019 results and historic "standing" all have bearing on their RR, Wheaton really has little to worry about.

Wheaton's resume will look a lot like North Central's resume circa 2019.  While they won the Big Doorstop, the Cardinals were by virtually all estimates the last Pool C team selected, and as Wally noted above, making choices at that point can mean splitting hairs.  Given this history, and the many unknowns around who may trip up and unexpectedly tumble into the Pool C pot, 'little to worry about' is not where I would rate that resume.

Should've used my partial sarcasm font there. I'd rather non-2021-results-specific factors have no bearing on 2021 rankings, but if they do, Chicago should be busy reminding folks that they were a Big 10 powerhouse back in the 1930s.

Re the SOS discussion, by my math a 9-1 Chicago would have between a .025ish (should Northwestern win out) to more than .050ish (should Northwestern lose out) advantage in SOS over Wheaton. Kind of hard to ignore, even on the low end.

How does WashU losing games down the stretch affect things? The Bears picking up losses will drag Chicago's SOS down but since they will be to CCIW opponents, it will have no affect on Wheaton's SOS.