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not what I said ... note that I said who you face twice. That will add losses quicker when you have quality up and down a conference schedule year in year out. Its not like JCU has cupcakes in its non-conf -- DI Loyola and Cleveland State were two of the Streaks' nine losses. Last year, JCU helped Hope open its new home. So I think that's a wash when it comes to out of league. I'm talking IN conference. Who knows ... from what I have heard from various alums, maybe one day soon JCU will get to find that out as members of the NCAC (new prez is definitely looking at all options)

Just taking a look at this argument ...

Moore better than Moran.

Moran vs. Moore = Moran 3-1 ... 2-1 on the Wooster home floor.

Arguably, Moore had the better team in three of those four meetings, and arguably Wooster again has the better team in 2007. Yet, the only Wooster win over JCU was back in 2003 and was courtesy of a Rodney Mitchell jumper with three seconds left ... after JCU took a two-point lead into the final minute of play. The other games were JCU wins that seem a little more decisive. Found this as my proof (although it seems like it needs updating ... time is still listed as TBA for the game Friday ... and Mimes is still a guard).

http://www.jcu.edu/studentl/Athletics/varsity/gamenotesmbk.pdf

So John201, while I understand and admire your passion and loyalty toward Westminster, I am not sure I follow your logic on the coaching front. Both have been the dominant forces in their respective leagues, and both have been to a Final Four -- both placing third. I'd see it as pretty even up.

If you are basing it on Moore's overall record, keep in mind, JCU plays BW, Ohio Northern, Otterbein, Capital and Muskingum at least twice a year ... Wooster plays Wittenberg and ... well, Wittenberg two, sometimes three times a year. I wonder how Moran's record would look if he got Oberlin, Denison, Earlham, Hiram (well, he used to get them twice) and Kenyon twice a year. According to the game notes, he's 16-5 against the NCAC. That about a 75% winning percentage.

Just food for thought.

I was in Rochester in 2002 when the JCU football team played Brockport State ... and I have nothing but good things to say about the town. There's enough to do as far as a night life goes, and as long as the weather cooperates, its easy enough to get around. Of course, my memories of Rochester are good ones

BTW, John201, you have made three posts on this board. All negative toward John Carroll. Not just negative, downright nasty. Not just nasty, downright ugly. What gives? Did Pete Moran steal your girl? Did Mike Moran cut you from the team? I watched both games, and I give some credit to a team that rallies from double figures down in the second half. Those rallies were not flukish.  That is the way the Streaks have played at times this year, a toughness born of playing in a league where every game is a struggle. Ask ONU, who beat Wooster, how tough the OAC is. Ask BW and Tori Davis, who is sure to be an All-American, how tough the OAC is.

John, I hate to say this, but you come across is a poor loser whose arguments are insipid.

I believe Wooster is probably a better team, and if this were the NBA, they would certainly be favored in a seven-game series. But in a one-shot deal, anything can happen.

Good luck to everyone this weekend. I look forward to some good games to listen to. Maybe I'll have a reason to venture up Saturday.