ANON, As others indicate, you and your son will never go wrong from an academic standpoint in any NCAC school. If it's all about sports then select another level of education. Without dedication and diligence to the academics, he won't survive long enough to play.
The Wittenberg University with it's long tradition of winning in most athletic devotions is usually the best choice.        WUW (Wittenberg Usually WINS)

I sincerely doubt that Witt will embarass the LGs. I do not remember a year that Wabash was not at their best and ready for that matchup. Even with the unfortunate loss of players of the caliber of the 2 WRs, the WAF rule always seems to be in effect during the WITT/WAB annual battle; frequently much to the chagrin of Tiger fans everywhere. The Tiger Nation is quite confident that Wabash will continue to improve and play to the level that is expected of them.  Look at the surprises Wittenberg has presented themselves with in just the last 4-5 years. I'm talking about L's that were supposed to be W's. OWU in 04&06, Gators in 05&08, Wash. U. 08 and the WOO WHOOPIN in the mud in 08. Those are just some recent memories and not to present a bad omen but were years with unexpected personell losses; Lose a QB, a WR, a couple of OLs and a lot of teams falter. Seems like Wabash always recovers. To the parents of the injured guys, I know first hand how it feels to watch that boy sit the bench in a bandage. When the hurt goes away and the bandages are off, all that is left is a mature and well rounded young man with an education from one of the finest universities in the country.  All Witt fans wish them the best 9-1 season they can have.

Quote from: bashbrother on September 18, 2010, 08:15:34 PM
I think there needs to be a little tough love in the Little Giants locker room.   Too many mental mistakes.....  Sure they are young, but it is time to grow up fast.  This is Little Giants Football.

Funny how we were disappointed that Wabash's tough games were back loaded this year.   Seems to be a blessing at this point.  

Allegheny will take us out if we continue to play like this.  Witt will embarrass us.
I sincerely doubt that Witt will embarass the LGs. I do not remember a year that Wabash was not at their best and ready for that matchup.
Not good enough.

Quote from: HScoach on July 16, 2010, 03:17:37 PM
^ maybe that's what your record book says, but ours starts in 1986 

1952 W 27 13
1953 L 12 47
Mount Saint Joseph
Series Record: Wittenberg leads, 1-0
Year Site WU MSJ
2009 H W 42 14 NCAA Division III playoffs
Mount Union
Series Record: Wittenberg leads, 19-9
Year Site WU MU
1916 L 0 55
1923 W 28 6
1924 W 10 7
1928 W 6 0
1939 W 46 7
1940 W 26 0
1941 W 7 0
1942 W 7 6
1947 L 6 39
48
1948 L 6 20
1954 W 39 18
1955* A W 14 6
1956* H W 35 7
1957* A W 51 7
1958* H(HC) W 66 8
1959* A W 47 14
1972* H W 27 7
1973* A W 35 17
1974* H(HC) W 48 0
1975* A W 17 10
1984* H L 17 19
1985* A L 15 38
1986* A L 14 17
1987* H W 25 24
1988* A L 7 31
1998 A L 19 21 NCAA Division III plyaoffs
2000 A L 15 32 NCAA Division III playoffs
2001 A L 21 49 NCAA Division III playoffs
*OAC Game
HC Homecoming

All from Wittenberg archives via their website. I'm assuming it is correct, or at least it looks good to a Witt fan. I doubt it will be, at least not for a long time, a Witt/Mount matchup. Witt rebuilds every 3-4 years but as of the last 20 + the Raiders just reload.

Quote from: reality check on July 16, 2010, 11:35:49 AM

Quote from: wittdad on July 16, 2010, 10:46:30 AM

Quote from: Raider 68 on July 15, 2010, 12:20:41 PM

Quote from: wittdad on July 15, 2010, 09:54:56 AM

Quote from: reality check on July 14, 2010, 11:42:22 AM
Pierre Garcon is ranked as the 70th player available in ESPN fantasy football.  That puts him ahead of Santana Moss, Steve Breaston, Braylon Edwards and TJ Whosyourdaddy.

ESPN's projecting a little less than 1000 yards on 54 catches for 5 TD's.  I hope he lives up to those projections.

If anyone gets the periodic sale flyer from FINISH LINE, there is a nice article about Pierre in the recent mailing. Probably could pick one up in local store.

Wittdad,

Thanks for the note! how do you see your Tigers this fall, win the NCAC and go deep in the playoffs?

As always, preseason hopes are high for everyone. Being a few years removed from day to day with the Tigers, I'd say recruiting class quality is the big issue here. Lots of shoes to fill, especially O-line. QB is an obvious need but winning teams always get good recruits. Continuing to win makes it better. Wiit had a couple of pretty unfortunate years with injuries and last year should be a boon to recruiting. How about a Tiger/Raider match-up late fall? I'd never have to leave the Great State of OH.

So by saying late fall I would deduce you mean playoffs and by saying you'd never have to leave Ohio I'm assuming you would (perhaps subconsciously) expect a loss since you have to leave Ohio to play in the Stagg Bowl?!?!?  Freud would be proud.

I wasn't thinking, was I. Any post season week means a team is somewhat successful given the limited amount of playoff spots vs. number of eligible teams. Look back a few years before speaking of teams success against MU. Witt axctually has a 19-9 all time record against the Raiders.

Quote from: Raider 68 on July 15, 2010, 12:20:41 PM

Quote from: wittdad on July 15, 2010, 09:54:56 AM

Quote from: reality check on July 14, 2010, 11:42:22 AM
Pierre Garcon is ranked as the 70th player available in ESPN fantasy football.  That puts him ahead of Santana Moss, Steve Breaston, Braylon Edwards and TJ Whosyourdaddy.

ESPN's projecting a little less than 1000 yards on 54 catches for 5 TD's.  I hope he lives up to those projections.

If anyone gets the periodic sale flyer from FINISH LINE, there is a nice article about Pierre in the recent mailing. Probably could pick one up in local store.

Wittdad,

Thanks for the note! how do you see your Tigers this fall, win the NCAC and go deep in the playoffs?

As always, preseason hopes are high for everyone. Being a few years removed from day to day with the Tigers, I'd say recruiting class quality is the big issue here. Lots of shoes to fill, especially O-line. QB is an obvious need but winning teams always get good recruits. Continuing to win makes it better. Wiit had a couple of pretty unfortunate years with injuries and last year should be a boon to recruiting. How about a Tiger/Raider match-up late fall? I'd never have to leave the Great State of OH.

Quote from: wally_wabash on July 09, 2010, 04:49:09 PM

Quote from: short on July 09, 2010, 03:29:16 PM
I put Witt and Wabash head of Allegheny, but I think Allegheny is CLEARLY the next best team!  I really like their QB and I think he is and will be the BEST in the NCAC in 2010.  Wally please pick one QB and I will gladly pick T.J. Salopek as the ALL NCAC QB in 2010.  He is scarpy, athletic, and has a very good arm.

Analysis time!  First team All-NCAC QBs since 2001 (Wabash's first year in the league):
2001 - Jake Knott, Wabash
2002 - Jake Knott, Wabash
2003 - Bubba Smith, Allegheny
2004 - Justin Rummell, Earlham
2005 - Russ Harbaugh, Wabash
2006 - Dustin Huff, Wabash
2007 - Matt Hudson, Wabash
2008 - Matt Hudson, Wabash
2009 - Matt Hudson, Wabash

Picking up a pattern?  If you want, we can talk about why a Wabash quarterback didn't get first team numbers in 2003 and 2004 (there are reasons), but I'll go ahead and let the above table stand for itself.  Anyway, if I were one who publicly condones this sort of thing and I had to bet on which school's quarterback is most likely going to be 1st team all league...well, it's a pretty easy bet to place. 

Quote from: short on July 09, 2010, 03:29:16 PM
As for how "the Gators make up 35-40 points on those teams" I don't know if they do.  However, they beat Witt in 2008 and witt made up 45 points on them in 2009 so it is possible to improve from one year to the next!

I think Wooster is going to a little down and OWU is well... OWU.  I like the Denison program as a program on the way up.  Oberlin and Kenyon are ok and then there is Hiram and I'm not sure who they can beat.

Wasn't Witt's 2008 team in a medical ward most of the season?  I think Wittenberg proved pretty emphatically last year that 2008 was a throwaway year for the Tigers.  A lot of people teed off on the Tigers in 2008....that only ticked 'em off and so last year they went into eff you mode and decided that they weren't going to let anybody score points.  Not the best move, league.   

Agree though that Allegheny is clearly the third best team probably with a pretty big gap down to Wooster, then another sizeable gap down to the rest. 

Wittenberg's 2007 team had as many in the recovery ward if not more than the 08 team.

Quote from: reality check on July 14, 2010, 11:42:22 AM
Pierre Garcon is ranked as the 70th player available in ESPN fantasy football.  That puts him ahead of Santana Moss, Steve Breaston, Braylon Edwards and TJ Whosyourdaddy.

ESPN's projecting a little less than 1000 yards on 54 catches for 5 TD's.  I hope he lives up to those projections.

If anyone gets the periodic sale flyer from FINISH LINE, there is a nice article about Pierre in the recent mailing. Probably could pick one up in local store.

Quote from: wittdad on June 03, 2010, 10:18:24 PM

Quote from: BashDad on May 30, 2010, 08:11:18 PM
I say any field with only one side offered for an audience gets bumped down, especially in regard to the perceptions of an I-Should-Be-Playing-At-A-Big-School recruit.

But talking about facilities as it relates to recruiting is like talking about a lover's mattress as a condition for marriage.  A stadium, however big or small, only exists, in this recruit-wowing context, as a physical place to couch the program's pride. A place to point to.

I think that's what you're talking about (why else would you rank Witt's car-lot so high), but at that point the relative difference in "facilities" becomes pretty meaningless, right? You're actually talking about a Program.

Objectively, Witt's stadium (albeit the new field turf) just ain't that great. Standing on the visitor's sideline feels like you're playing a little-league game at the local park. If afforded the opportunity to magically trade facilities with any number of NCAC programs, you don't think they do it? They'd be drooling to have OWU's stadium. 

Witt has only one side so we don't have to look at WABBYS

Quote from: BashDad on May 30, 2010, 08:11:18 PM
I say any field with only one side offered for an audience gets bumped down, especially in regard to the perceptions of an I-Should-Be-Playing-At-A-Big-School recruit.

But talking about facilities as it relates to recruiting is like talking about a lover's mattress as a condition for marriage.  A stadium, however big or small, only exists, in this recruit-wowing context, as a physical place to couch the program's pride. A place to point to.

I think that's what you're talking about (why else would you rank Witt's car-lot so high), but at that point the relative difference in "facilities" becomes pretty meaningless, right? You're actually talking about a Program.

Objectively, Witt's stadium (albeit the new field turf) just ain't that great. Standing on the visitor's sideline feels like you're playing a little-league game at the local park. If afforded the opportunity to magically trade facilities with any number of NCAC programs, you don't think they do it? They'd be drooling to have OWU's stadium.  

Quote from: smedindy on March 01, 2010, 04:01:17 PM
Wow, someone has ingested some Bishop flavored Kool-Aid.

Face it, not even THE Kerry Collins, or THE Peyton Manning, or THE Pope could have helped the Bishops the last two years.

And the loss of a guard (A GUARD?) won't matter one way or the other.

Charley Weis, Romeo Crennell, Gerry Faust, etc.

Look at the accolades received by  Wittenberg's Dillon Hollin. Not real big but good technique. Fell into his roll via injuries in training and adapted to O-line positions he was not used to playing.

Everybody wants to play for a winner. Most of the NCAC schools have quality recruiting staffs and all have outstanding academic offerings. Frequently family history plays a big part in where Junior tromps off to school. Finances, now more than ever in recent times, play a huge roll. What each school has to offer in grants, scholarships, etc. is such a big part. Tigers and LGs will have their down times. Look what happened to Witt in the 08-09 season. 40% of the scheduled starters are out by 2nd game; most for season. Many folks not near to the program are under the impression that Huffman was the only loss. Far from the truth. It may be hard to imagine a couple of schools ever again being at or near the top in football but look at all sports offered including woman's. Think it was the 07 season that Kenyon was in the top 10 nationally in D-3 sports overall nationally?

Quote from: kirasdad on February 03, 2010, 07:52:56 PM

Quote from: TheManInBlack on February 03, 2010, 07:28:35 PM
First Post!

Anyone have any news on any recruits that slipped through the cracks on signing day?  It's got to be tough for the OAC now with all the new DII and NAIA schools popping up in Ohio.

Welcome to the boards Tim.  I think the reputation and chances for Championships will keep MUC at the top of the recruiting game vs. the new DII and NAIA schools.

With the quality of education to be gained at schools like Mt. Union and the rest of the OAC, NCAC,  HCAC, UAA, and etc. DIII schools, it's unlikely that the most desirable STUDENT/ athletes will opt for DII or NAIAs anymore than in the past. Keep in mind that a majority of the student athletes, and I stress the student part, have already weighed their chances of furthering their athletic careers vs. preparing for an occupational future. They visit a few campuses and generally, because they are 17-18 yrs. old, make their decision in no small part based on visual perception of the campus and it's surroundings and if they are really smart they consider what the food is like.
Tuition costs and increases along with government subsidies and personal family tax incentives will likely govern a prospective students choice in the future as much as what division a sport plays in.

Witt played the Raiders regularly in the late 80's while still in the OAC. Actually have a winning all time record of 19-9 vs. Mt. Union but most wins coming many years back. Easy look up on either Witt or the Mounts websites.