Guess that Millsaps loss really deflated Trinty. Tough break. Hopefully they'll rebound next year. Congrats to Centre though.

Anyway, so with the south shaping up this way, who will Millsaps likely get in the first round or two? Any thoughts? Ideas?

Anyone else notice how miserable the officiating was in the first half? I sure did! The first half was littered with terrible calls (or lack-there-of). I'm glad someone finally had enough to overcome a very good Trinity team... and the garbage calling the game. Those ref's should be ashamed.

Truely, this is ridiculous. I compliment two teams and their work ethic, and IM made out to be the trouble maker. I think a few people in here need to look in the mirror and quit nit picking over everything I say--especially when it's not even the point of what I'm talking about.
It's been fun this season, and I will stay posted. Good luck to Trinity. I hope next year we'll have several SCAC and ASC teams able to make it. Be safe folks...

(Ponders) Politician...? Thank you! I've been called much worse things on this board!
Now I know there are several conspiracy artists in here and those who love taking what I say and making them out to be another, so in the most genuine and passive way I possibly can, I'm going to have to let some of you down.
At no point have I made any excuses for any losses this season. What's done is done. Millsaps had two losses this season and that's all that matters when it's said and done. You are 100% right about that. It is unfortunate.
That said, though, the point I was making, in my opinion, was a legitimate one. MC beat Millsaps, and so did Trinity. I was whole-heartedly congratulating both of those schools for their win. Regardless of what happened during the game, both of those squads (MC/Trinity) gave 100% until the very end, and should definitely be commended for their victories. I was being sincere in my praise, and if you choose to make it more or less than that it is, that's your choice. Regardless, my congratulations to MC and Trinity for fine wins and a fine season.
That said, my point is valid, and not even directed toward anyone. It think it's would have been something to consider if I were in the position to give pool C bids. I apologize that the statement was offensive, but again, it wasn't intended as such.
Without taking anything away from MC or Trinity (with all sincerity), if you truly believe that the MC game would have had been the same if Millsaps starters had played it through, I would like to meet your dealer. As for the Trinity game, well, the Man upstairs was looking down on them for 2 seconds long enough. There were at least three lateral blindly tossed perfectly into another's hands, and a perfect bounce. It was a once in a lifetime chance, and they pulled it off. It was an amazing play (despite not working out how I would've liked it). Moreover, honestly, have you seen my karma? Let's be serious now...
And about the quitting... If you've ever been a part of the game you'd probably know that no team that good, in the big of a game (Conference title/homecoming) is going to quit. Some cramped, some thought it was over, I'm sure there are tons of reasons and "excuses", but I truly doubt that anyone just decided that they didn't care anymore. Yes, quote DuBose to justify remarks, but truly think about what you're saying. What player in this world, especially non-scholarship D3 athlete would just quit in a game like that?
Lastly, I wish Trinity the best of luck. I hope they can represent the SCAC well. I just wish that other quality teams (Millsaps, DePauw, MC, etc...) from the real south could join Trinity in the endeavor...

And a big congrats to DePauw. What a huge win for them!

I never said MC did not making an amazing comeback, and I never came close to saying either team in the Trinity game quit.  In fact, I praised both teams after the performance.  I think both games were amazing games, including all those who participated.  So to the same people, who love to pounce on everything I say, enough already.. I'm not attacking anyone.
I entirely realize that Millsaps is 8-2 ,and the reasons for that, but I am still entitled to my opinion.  I give ALL credit to MC and Trinity, and make no excuse for either loss.  They were both excellent games whose outcome just happened to come down to once in a lifetime situations/play.  Again, hats off to both of the other schools for capitalizing.  I simply believe that Millsaps is far better than most of the country gives them credit for, and its unfortunate a team from the south cannot represent the south.  As a Millsaps fan, I fully understand the W/L column and make zero excuses--Millsaps is no doubt 8-2.  I just think they are a team that is far too talented to be going home, and could definitely be a huge wildcard in the playoffs.
As for what Carl said... well, it's not an insult.  He did nothing but support his team.  The only insult was insinuating that any of men in that game gave up.  Hats off to Trinity, but not to remarks like that.  Both teams gave everything they had, and one team capitalized on a once in a lifetime play.
Regardless, even if Millsaps doesn't get the bid, someone from the real south should. The south can't prove how good it is until they give a few legit teams from the south a chance in the playoffs.
Good luck to whoever goes... truely... I just hope it's a team from the south... and I think Millsaps would be the best representative. Just my thought... I don't expect everyone to agree. 

Anyone notice the Millsaps scores lately? an asterisk loss and a miracle play.. 5 points from being 10-0? There's got to be a chance. This is one of the teams from the south that can make some real noise.

I hope it's enough... With all due respect to MC and Trinity, It'd be an absolute shame if Millsaps is kept out because of an asterisk loss and a miracle play. All bias aside, Millsaps is one of the best teams in the south and could easily be 10-0. I don't doubt for a minute that this is a top15 caliber team or better, and definately one of the south's finest. If their season is indeed over, then Millsaps will probably be the best team in the nation sitting at home. It's up in the air, but if Millsaps does get in.. watch out.

Hats off to Trinity. It's hard to be mad at a miracle, but it sure is a disappointment.
If you're referring to the pictures on the slide show in the Cabot Lodge, just send me a message and I will try to get you in touch with who you need to speak to. Those photos weren't taken by Frank.

I was just shooting at the point that Millsaps hasn't seen (percentage) many more passes than most other SCAC teams. There were several games in which the game didn't get out of hand until the second half. If there's a surplus number of passes faced, I think it has more to do with how the Millsaps defense plays on 1st and 2nd down than it does the score of the game. Sewanee was still trying to establsh the run last week, despite being down 20+ points.

Quote from: Wes Anderson (DPU3619) on October 15, 2007, 09:15:34 PM

Quote from: Just_that_kid on October 15, 2007, 08:52:36 PM
Teams are actually trying to be fairly balanced against Millsaps, and actually favoring the run.
Though the Millsaps offense does jump on people quickly most times, teams usually stick to their game plan atleast through the first half. The few times the Millsaps offense has struggled, the defense held tight and gave the offense some good looks via turnovers.

With further research, I find that Millsaps has seen their opponents attempt more passes than any other defense in the conference by anywhere between 10-50 attempts depending on the team.

Furthermore, more of those passes are resulting in incompletions due to Millsaps being the 6th best team nationally in pass efficiency defense (78.0, no other SCAC team in the Top 50).  One has to think if they see more passes than anybody else, and a higher percentage of them are incomplete than anybody else, it must provide fewer opportunities for tackles to some degree. 

I'm no math major, but I think that sounds about right, doesn't it?

Although I don't disagree with your point, I'm not sure where you got you numbers. Per the SCAC website, the team leading the conference in pass plays defended is Austin College with 218. Millsaps is only one behind at 217. Further, the team that has faced the least amount of passes is BSC, though they've had 150 fewer defensive snaps than Millsaps.
I'm not a math major either, but if we break down the total number of defensive plays, and determine how many of them were against the run, the percentages further prove my point of balance against the Millsaps defense.

(Run play calls/total offensive plays faced)
Depauw- 215/424 = 50.71%
Trinity- 191/372 = 51.34%
Millsaps- 232/449 = 51.67
Rhodes- 209/397 = 52.65%
Austin- 244/462 = 52.81%
Sewanee- 244/427 = 57.14%
Centre- 243/418 = 58.13%
BSC- 189/301 = 62.79%
Colorado- 287/435 =65.98%

That said, I don't disagree with any of your points, but I still hold my point--teams are trying to remain balanced against the Millsaps defense.

2007 SCAC Football
          Millsaps College Overall Team Statistics (October 13, 2007)
                                   All games

TEAM STATISTICS                          MC          OPP
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RUSHING YARDAGE...............          800          548
  Yards gained rushing........          953          795
  Yards lost rushing..........          153          247
  Rushing Attempts............          224          232 
  Average Per Rush............          3.6          2.4
  Average Per Game............        114.3         78.3
  TDs Rushing.................            9            4
PASSING YARDAGE...............         2337          962
  Att-Comp-Int................    325-215-4    217-94-11
  Average Per Pass............          7.2          4.4
  Average Per Catch...........         10.9         10.2
  Average Per Game............        333.9        137.4
  TDs Passing.................           25            5
TOTAL OFFENSE.................         3137         1510
  Total Plays.................          549          449

Teams are actually trying to be fairly balanced against Millsaps, and actually favoring the run.
Though the Millsaps offense does jump on people quickly most times, teams usually stick to their game plan atleast through the first half. The few times the Millsaps offense has struggled, the defense held tight and gave the offense some good looks via turnovers.

Big C: Every team plans off of what another teams success was against their opponent. That's why they watch film. Knowing what you want to do and executing are two very different things, though. It's not as easy as it looks. The game, in many ways, is all or nothing for both teams (Trinity and Millsaps), and both teams will bring their "A" game.

Quote from: Josh Bowerman on October 07, 2007, 10:35:17 PM
And besides, Millsaps couldn't successfully recruit all those Florida kids anymore if that were the case, right Kid?   

It's not easy trying to talk kids into giving up beaches and babes for southern accents and the country! haha. Can't have too much of that Florida speed, but recruiting mostly MS, LA, TX, and AL seems to be working quiet well right now. Although, there are 8 or 9 guys from FL on the roster. Diversity is the key my friend! haha

Quote from: cush on October 07, 2007, 09:59:47 PMI would think flordia would be a prime market for a school making a jump like bsc, maybe rollins?

A Florida D3 program would be scary considering all of the D3 caliber football players that slip through the cracks and end up at state schools! Unfortunately, it's generally only matter of time before Florida schools that start football find themselves playing D1.
I believe there are only two schools in Florida that don't play D1, and they're both NAIA http://www.fscsports.com/.
Rollins would be the academic fit, as well as many of the schools in the D2 conference in which they currently play (http://ssc.athleticsite.com/), but you have to consider costs. Rollins is about 9 hours from the nearest SCAC school (BSU), and a little over 7 hours from the next closest D3 program (if La grange is indeed the closest).