Quote from: Kilts and Bagpipes on November 04, 2010, 10:21:59 AM
Wow...SNCOLDAD, you took the words right out of my mouth.  I am currently putting in a petition to the NCAA for and automatic bid for Monmouth due to their loss of the starting quarterback.  I think I have a good shot.

TM and Redhawk....come on.  Monmouth won that game.  The game is about capitalizing on mistakes and Monmouth forced two fumbles in the first half.  Most of your yardage came on the last drive of the first half and the last two drives of the regulation when Monmouth was playing a soft defense to avoid the big play.  Monmouth scores 50+ points in that game so don't act like we stole it from you.  It should have been over at regulation.  You had a good run at the beginning of the season and then you had to play 3 good teams in MC, SNC and IC.  Good games, good opponents and you lost.  

If you want to play that "what if" game, then I claim that if Monmouth had their quarterback, their entire recieving crew, all of their starting line weren't hurt in some way, didn't have last years team graduate and were coached by Vince Lombardi, then they would have won every game by 100 points.


This "after the fact" crap gets annoying.  SNC is the best team in the end, then probably IC and then a pretty close race between MC, RC, GC and BC.  Good luck to SNC...hopefully the big boys at the NCAA smile down upon you when handing you your opponnent.

Ripon managed to still have a 21-19 lead at halftime despite the two first half fumbles. MC did shut down RC's offense in the third quarter and the first half of the fourth, but they were already trailing and only managed two scores.

I didn't say that MC didn't win that game. I didn't say "what if" and wasn't looking at things in hindsight. I was responding to a post that said MC "dominated 50 of the 60 minutes" when that is not true. Read before posting.

Quote from: Moncolfan on November 03, 2010, 04:40:07 PM
Sorry Redhawk but I respectfully disagree.  The MC/Ripon game should have never went to OT. MC dominated the game for 50 of the 60 minutes. Ripon made ground in the last 5 minutes of each half. If not for a questionable personal foul call that gave the redmen a first down after failing to convert and a fumble that MC inside the ten, this could have been a  17pt win for MC. I know RC had their shares of miscues  that you could argue changed the game but c'mon what game were you watching? You were losing by 10 with six minutes to go and lucky at that and you should have won? Oh ya how many missed extra points did MC have that game? Was it a game you could have won sure-especially in OT but should have-no way.

I have to respectfully disagree. I did watch the game. MC couldn't stop RC's offense in the first half, but Ripon managed to fumble away 2 of (I think) their first 3 possessions. RC shot themselves in the foot all game and MC had some big breaks that included batted balls that were caught on third down, etc.

I have no idea what is going on here anymore 

Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on October 26, 2010, 03:04:34 PM
I'd say last year's champ and even runner-up would beat this year's champ and runner-up. But from 3 on down I think this year's conference is stronger than last year.

Totally agree

Quote from: Kilts and Bagpipes on October 26, 2010, 02:05:05 PM
Hold on...you THREW the ball against monmouth to come back.  Two years ago, when MC snuck one out against you at home, you tried to run the ball at the end of the game and it didn't work.  Yes...the option works in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd quarter, but in the 4th, if you are behind...you don't have time to run it.  Now...hopefully you aren't behind because you have scored all game and run the clock down.  The issue with all options is when they face a much better defense then we have in the MWC, quicker DBs get to the option guys faster.  Bigger lines take away the fullbacks and QBs get killed by OLBs.  I think that Ripon wins this weekend because the Norby d-line won't be able to handle the fullback.  I do think that the Ripon d will struggle with the Norby O.  I say its a 56-49 win for Ripon.

I seem to remember Monmouth's offense struggling in the postseason the past couple years after being one of the national leaders in offense each year. Their offense doesn't fair too well either against non-MWC defenses.

You just rattled off defenses that any offense would struggle against. The option allows you to play with undersized offensive lineman and recruit kids that most programs aren't. Ripon is consistently undersized every week when comparing their O-line to D-line. It also allows them to put more size and speed on the defensive side of the ball that isn't necessarily needed or wanted on offense. Maybe that has been a reason that RC's defense is usually one of the conference's best (though they seem to have taken a step back this year).

The option allows teams like Navy to play with Notre Dame and Ohio State. If not for what I think was six turnovers against UW-Oshkosh in 2008, RC could have pulled an upset there. Granted every other year, we were killed by them,  mainly because their D-tackles couldn't be double-teamed, but how many other offenses in our conference wouldn't struggle with them?

Everyone else runs the spread. Teams prepare for it week-in-and-out. They only see the triple option once a year. I believe it to be a huge competitive advantage.

Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 26, 2010, 10:54:55 AM

Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on October 26, 2010, 10:29:10 AM
Blu - How are these stats for Leather helmet offense?

500+ yards total Offense
27 first downs
over 35minutes of clock control
35 points

Not sure about you but that looks to me like a pretty good offensive game.....  Just saying.....

And I'm just sayin'...  Stats are sweet, but points are better.  35 was 6 shy of what was needed.  One dimensional offenses also limit your potential in 2 minute offenses or comebacks.  Dinosaurs no longer rome the earth.  And there's a reason these offenses are going the same way.  

I doubt Notre Dame thought it was too old school over the weekend, neither did the ACC last year. Also you can ask Carroll and Monmouth how limited the offense is when trying to come back late in a game. They are also #1 in the conference in scoring offense and total offense.

You are right thought stats don't necessarily win games, but I wouldn't point fingers at the offense for Saturday's results.

Quote from: The Roop on October 25, 2010, 09:42:44 PM
When Ripon holds opponents under 40 points they are 6-0. When allowing 40 or more points they are 0-2. I did not attend either of those games but I doubt the officials put 51 and 40 points on the board for the other teams.

I'm not particularly impressed with the crews we have in the MWC either. Never a hold on a running play, always something on a passing play and a generous +1 yard spot following most every tackle. Ball has to hit the ground twice before it's an incompletion, having half a foot in bounds is always a catch and blocks in the back on kick/punt returns are legal............. Unfortunately, this is what we have.

Blu,

I didn't want to say anything at first because I didn't want to seem like I was placing blame for the loss, but I've seen two posts of now where you complained about the officials at the game vs Ripon. I was at the game. The officiating was bad, but was nearly all in IC's favor. I'm not accusing the officials of being biased, just bad (although whenever Ripon goes into IL, the calls always seem to lean against them).

IC was penalized once for 5 yards while Ripon had 9 penalties for 92 yards. Two of those were drive-killing personal fouls at the end of the game that could/should have gone the other way. On one of them, Ripon's tackle was blocking a kid down field near the sideline and then was dragged and thrown out-of-bounds after the play. I'm not sure what the official saw (if anything), but the RC player had done nothing after the play or while out-of-bounds. I'm guessing he just turned around and assumed the blocker was the one who threw the blockee.

The other came on RC's second to last drive where IC players were laying on RC's fullback after the play trying to run the clock. I didn't see the last penalty very well, so maybe the player through a punch or something rather than just shoving the players of off him. There was also a pass interference penalty on IC's final TD drive that shouldn't have been called either. The call could have gone both ways, but the two officials who had the best view didn't throw a flag, while an official who had the same exact angle on the play as I did in the stands, threw a late one. Like I said, that play looked like it could have gone either way, but the official who made the call had no business overruling the other two.

Ripon still had ample opportunities to win the game so I'm not blaming the officials for the outcome, but IC should have nothing to complain about in the dept. The officials have always been bad in the MWC. I guess there are not enough good ones in the Midwest as I'm sure the Pee Wee officials in Texas are better. I guess being able to play year-round will have an effect on that though.

Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 25, 2010, 11:07:01 AM

Quote from: Kilts and Bagpipes on October 25, 2010, 09:41:49 AM
Tough one for the scots this weekend.  The difference.  Big Plays.  Beloit runs the opening kickoff back for 6 points, has a 3rd and 25 from their own 5 that they convert and then a double pass for 6 points.  I liked MCs chances in an overtime, but a tough drop in the endzone...(would've been nulled by a hold).  Seriously...keep your flags in your pockets on a play like that.  He 5 step dropped and released the ball, never would have gotten him anyway.

Got to hand it to beloit.  Their defense bent, but didn't break.  Monmouth had great field position all 3rd quarter but couldn't score.  We have to pick up the tempo more or just go back into a huddle.  We waste to much time calling a play and getting ready.  Take advantage of the wristband system or scratch it.  MC needs to finish the year strong.  Their will be no 3 peat, but 3 out of 4 next year is a distinct possibility...with or without Tanney.  Hopefully with!!!

Kilts- Not trying to start anything and I appreciate the congrats to IC, but I just wonder if the situation were reversed, and say the opponent caught the ball, would you be saying "keep the flags in your pocket."?  Maybe you would?  However, to me, a hold is a hold.  Regardless of the steps involved or the game situation.  All things impact all things.  With all that said, I've seen better officiating in my pee-wee league and on Friday nights, than I've seen in the MWC tilts I've witnessed.  So I'm not arguing that it was a legit call.  Hey, to that end, someone needs to get me the O-line coach for RC.  He's taught #55 the best holding techniques I've ever seen.  How he gets away with it, is to be applauded!

I would also argue that any assumption that, even with Tanney's return for another season, y'all are next year's winner is, at the very least, premature.  Let's finish this season first.  Then we'll talk about the Blueboys 2nd in a row.

Blu,

I didn't want to say anything at first because I didn't want to seem like I was placing blame for the loss, but I've seen two posts of now where you complained about the officials at the game vs Ripon. I was at the game. The officiating was bad, but was nearly all in IC's favor. I'm not accusing the officials of being biased, just bad (although whenever Ripon goes into IL, the calls always seem to lean against them).

IC was penalized once for 5 yards while Ripon had 9 penalties for 92 yards. Two of those were drive-killing personal fouls at the end of the game that could/should have gone the other way. On one of them, Ripon's tackle was blocking a kid down field near the sideline and then was dragged and thrown out-of-bounds after the play. I'm not sure what the official saw (if anything), but the RC player had done nothing after the play or while out-of-bounds. I'm guessing he just turned around and assumed the blocker was the one who threw the blockee.

The other came on RC's second to last drive where IC players were laying on RC's fullback after the play trying to run the clock. I didn't see the last penalty very well, so maybe the player through a punch or something rather than just shoving the players of off him. There was also a pass interference penalty on IC's final TD drive that shouldn't have been called either. The call could have gone both ways, but the two officials who had the best view didn't throw a flag, while an official who had the same exact angle on the play as I did in the stands, threw a late one. Like I said, that play looked like it could have gone either way, but the official who made the call had no business overruling the other two.

Ripon still had ample opportunities to win the game so I'm not blaming the officials for the outcome, but IC should have nothing to complain about in the dept. The officials have always been bad in the MWC. I guess there are not enough good ones in the Midwest as I'm sure the Pee Wee officials in Texas are better. I guess being able to play year-round will have an effect on that though.

That photo is awesome. I was jumping back-and-forth from the RC-MC game and that one and was fortunate enough to see that play. Great catch in a big game. Doesn't get much better

BTW Blu, I can't help but feel that you somehow, someway contributed to IC's win today.

That game really hurts Ripon. Too many turnovers in the first half. Had RC won, they basically has locked up the conference. They still control their own fate, but need to beat SNC who will rebound from today's game.

IC just pickes SNC for a TD. Now 19-9 IC with 9:09 left in third. RC now down 25-21 to MC with 8:36 left in third. Not sure how it happened.

I lied about the RC PAT. Its 21-19 at half. IC is up 12-6 on SNC. Any other scores?

20-19 RC. PAT no good. IC and SNC tied at 6