Quote from: Bombers798891 on December 11, 2009, 09:58:56 PM
Bombers blow a 16 point second half lead, but manage to come out on top of St. Lawrence 101-97. Jordan Marcus goes for 34, and Andrei Oztemel has 30 as the Bombers manage to hold off the Saints.

Ithaca wins their 3rd straight, but the team's inexperience shows as they nearly blow a huge 2nd half lead for the second time this season. The Bombers appear to have no ability to play defense, and seem to be content to outscore teams (or try to)

The Bombers remind me of some of the Nazareth teams we've seen over the past few years. Dangerous, and a team that can hang with you, but too flawed to make a serious run. Perhaps next season, when the players have more experience, they can make a run. For now, I guess it's sit back and watch the scoreboard light up.

Getting outrebounded 44-29 doesn't help, either.  On the bright side, it looks like they have at least three guys who can go for 25 points on a given night (Marcus, Cruz, Oztemel).

Ithaca attempted 39 three-point FG's tonight. 

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Quote from: FISHERMAN on December 07, 2009, 11:27:27 PM

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Quote from: FISHERMAN on December 06, 2009, 12:38:28 AM
HAHAHAHA....Fisher smacked RIT today. Ignore any previous posts saying otherwise. The score did not do the game justice. Fisher took the lead early in the first and was never threatened afterwards. They are an extremely well-coached team and have a lot of promising youngsters. They are unquestionably the class of the elite 8. Asst. coach Mahanna is surely someone to keep on your radars. Truly a rising star. RIT gave a good effort and I would not be surprised to see them upset a team in the future. Once the younger Cardinals relax and start finishing around the hoop and the team as a whole guards the three slightly better, its all over.

Just curious, why do you say that about Coach Mahanna??

First off, I certainly did not mean any disrespect to Coach Kornaker. His resume speaks for itself. Five E8 titles in the last seven years and a .778 winning percentage certainly says it all. Asst. coach Mahanna is entering his second season under Kornaker and has made a name for himself on the recruting trail among other coaches. The freshmen class, brought in by Kornaker and Mahannna, has created a bit of a stir in the E8 and surely will play a significant role in numerous league titles in the future for the Cardinals. The freshmen haven't seen much action yet but have showed flashes. Francis and Evans, in partiular, look like studs. I have also heard (from a few reliable people who would know) that Asst. coach Mahanna has been pivotal in the individual skill development of the returning players, Gettings and Henderson especially. If he's not a head coach within the next four or five years I will eat my hat.

In regards to Mahanna, it is wayy too early to tell.  He has only been there two years and they didn't even make the E8 tourney is his first year.  Also, Fisher did fine without him the previous 5 or 6 years.  One of the definite up and coming coaches is Nevada Smith from IC.  He has been strong recruiting (Marcus, Cruz, current freshman, etc.) and is one of the main reasons the uptempo style was implemented. 

IC's record the past 3 years speaks for itself:

Record since arriving: 60-27 (69%)
3 Years Prior: 42-40  (51%)

Smith's name has been mentioned a lot during the last year or so. I hope he gets an opportunity like Dobbs did at Potsdam.

Quote from: FISHERMAN on December 07, 2009, 11:37:09 PM

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Quote from: FISHERMAN on December 06, 2009, 12:38:28 AM
HAHAHAHA....Fisher smacked RIT today. Ignore any previous posts saying otherwise. The score did not do the game justice. Fisher took the lead early in the first and was never threatened afterwards. They are an extremely well-coached team and have a lot of promising youngsters. They are unquestionably the class of the elite 8. Asst. coach Mahanna is surely someone to keep on your radars. Truly a rising star. RIT gave a good effort and I would not be surprised to see them upset a team in the future. Once the younger Cardinals relax and start finishing around the hoop and the team as a whole guards the three slightly better, its all over.

Fisher may be the best team in the E8, but a 90-83 loss at home to Hobart, a team who two other E8 teams knocked off, is enough to make one "question" whether they are "the class" of the E8. Tone down the hyperbole a bit and people may take you more seriously.

Surprising result: Naz hammers Utica, 66-50. Somewhat shocked by that one.

Gobombers....i'm with you regarding fisher... they beat a disappointing RIT team that was picked to finsh 2nd in the league but will  be lucky to make the E8 conference tournament in my opinion.  RIT is 2-4 overall with 2 league losses.  At this point I have Fisher, Ithaca, Stevens, Utica, Nazareth, and Hartwick better than them.  I wouldn't go crowning Fisher as the class of the league because they beat a struggling team at home by 14.

Wow, I never expected such a negative reaction, especially from the Cardinal fans. "They are unquestionably the class of the elite 8" is what I said and I'm sticking to it. Check with me half-way through the season and we'll see if I'm wrong. I'm a loyal Fisher soldier that is confident that we are going to step-up to the challenege and deliver another E8 title. Fisher fans should not be afraid to tell it like it is, we have dominated the E8 for the last 15 years and will continuue to do so.

When I think of a team being the class of this conference, I am thinking that they'll be in the 14-2 or 15-1 range (i.e., recent Ithaca and Fisher teams). I don't see any one team dominating like that this season. As I said in my earlier post, Fisher may very well be the best team this year. However, I don't think their season will be without its share of inconsistent performances (like the Hobart loss). I think there's more parity this season than ever before. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see the regular season conference champ go 11-5 or 12-4.

Quote from: FROMAFAR on December 07, 2009, 12:51:53 PM
Fisher, I think Gobombers was stating RIT will be lucky to make the E-8......Unfortunaley at this point I agree.........

Gobombers wasn't saying anything. That was Bombers3 who said RIT may miss the E8 Tourney. Keep us straight. 

Quote from: FISHERMAN on December 06, 2009, 12:38:28 AM
HAHAHAHA....Fisher smacked RIT today. Ignore any previous posts saying otherwise. The score did not do the game justice. Fisher took the lead early in the first and was never threatened afterwards. They are an extremely well-coached team and have a lot of promising youngsters. They are unquestionably the class of the elite 8. Asst. coach Mahanna is surely someone to keep on your radars. Truly a rising star. RIT gave a good effort and I would not be surprised to see them upset a team in the future. Once the younger Cardinals relax and start finishing around the hoop and the team as a whole guards the three slightly better, its all over.

Fisher may be the best team in the E8, but a 90-83 loss at home to Hobart, a team who two other E8 teams knocked off, is enough to make one "question" whether they are "the class" of the E8. Tone down the hyperbole a bit and people may take you more seriously.

Surprising result: Naz hammers Utica, 66-50. Somewhat shocked by that one.

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Quote from: sjfcards on December 05, 2009, 05:57:30 PM
Fisher looked a lot better today on defense than a few days ago against Hobart. They still struggle at times to score, but it was more than enough today as RIT was stone cold from the floor. I think RIT had something like 15 points in the first half. Fisher played a little 2-3 zone today.

Fisher was not overly impressive, but they did enough to get a win.

Surprised to see your post and find out Fisher won. The Scoreboard has them losing to RIT 60-46.

FROMAFAR is going to see that score and jump for joy until he goes to the E8 page and learns the truth.

The E8 page has it as a Fisher victory.

My best guesses are below. The level of competition has varied, so I don't think we really know what most teams have at this point.

Friday
ITHACA over Hartwick, 79-69.
Nazareth defeats ELMIRA, 68-64.

Saturday
Hartwick tops ELMIRA, 60-54.
FISHER pulls away from RIT, 77-66.
Stevens nips ALFRED, 66-65.

Sunday
RIT beats Stevens, 74-63.
Utica knocks off NAZARETH, 78-71.

Ithaca is 27-95 from 3-pt range: 28.4 %
Ithaca is 55-97 on 2-pt FG's: 56.7%

Cyclone, good analysis. Also not included in that calculus is what long rebounds many times lead to: fast-breaks the other way. Fewer 2-pt FG's leads to fewer FT's and, by extension, less foul trouble for opponents. I'm not saying that Ithaca should completely rein it in and shoot only ten 3's per game, but they have players in Cruz, Marcus and Rossi who are good enough athletes to consistently get to the rack for higher percentage shots and/or get fouled. They will be a better team if they get better shot selection. I'd like to see that number settle somewhere around 20 attempts per game. 

As reported, Ithaca gets run off the floor in the 2nd half by Amherst and loses 92-67. Bombers rally late in the 1st half and close to 41-38 at half. Amherst quickly asserts control in 2nd half and wins going away.

Ithaca has already hiked a startling 95 three-point FG's in three games (31.7 per game). That's too many. Even though Bostic was misused (under-utilized is probably more accurate), teams recognized the threat he posed. Opponents will take away the three-point shot and make Ithaca go inside to beat them. We'll see if Mullins takes what opponents give him or if he tries to jam the square peg into the round hole.

Quote from: cstate19 on November 14, 2009, 01:13:21 AM
Just got home from bartending. Leaving for IC at 5:45 AM.  Hope to see everyone around.   

Oh, what a Cortland degree will get you!

Haven't been around lately, so I apologize if this has been discussed, but word is that Grastorf has been suspended for Cortaca because he was caught in possession with an, um, illegal substance. Anyone w/further info?

Haven't been around lately, so I apologize if this has been discussed, but word is that Grastorf has been suspended for Cortaca because he was caught in possession with an, um, illegal substance. Anyone w/further info?

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Quote from: JoseQViper on October 06, 2009, 01:50:57 PM
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there are two nice hotels right downtown both of which are walking distance to the Commons and the restaurants and bars.

If you want the white tablecloth, check out John Thomas steak house.  Right up the hill from IC: http://www.johnthomassteakhouse.net/

You can also check out the Boatyard Grill down on the channel.  I think that serves as a mid-level restaurant in Ithaca now.

Careful on the Boatyard...they don't accept reservations and the wait times can be kind of long, especially if you go around 6 or 7. It's a great place; just don't go expecting to be seated right away. Also, Madeline's on the Commons has awesome desserts if you wish to indulge.

You can call ahead, though. That's what we did after the Widener-IC game. We had to wait a short time, but it would have been far longer had we not called ahead.

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It's plausible, sure. It's also quite unlikely. Such a situation would all but require Alfred to be otherwise perfect in the conference and for Ithaca to lose two of three against Fisher, Hartwick and Springfield. Again, it could happen, but I think the probability of it happening is not high.

That's right, I totally forgot how awesome and intimidating Ithaca has looked this year...

That's cute. I never said they did look awesome. In fact, I'm often one of few Ithaca posters who has always spoke out about how overrated Ithaca often is and how poor of a coach Welch really is.  But you've said nothing to disprove my valid point that it is unlikely that Alfred would get the AQ even with a loss at Ithaca. An IC win is tantamount to a 2-game advantage over Alfred because of tiebreaker implications. Barring some odd three-way or four-way tie, yes, it is unlikely (read: less than 50% chance) that Alfred could lose at Ithaca and still get the AQ. As I said, it's plausible, but also unlikely.

So you're confident that IC isn't going to lose 2 conference games?

Upstate,

The hypothetical GB is suggesting isn't whether IC will lose 2 conference games. It's that they'll lose two to teams OTHER than Alfred. I mean, who has Hartwick played this season? Since when does beating Norwich, Becker, Salve Regina and Morrisville State count as an impressive slate of opponents? None of those teams are any good, so why should Hartwick's 4-0 record mean anything?  Everyone in the E8 would be 4-0 if they played the four teams Hartwick did, with the possible exception of Utica, which would probably be 3-1. The only decent team Springfield played lit them up for 49 points. So even if SJF beats IC (and I think they will because they are in IC's head) either Springfield or Hartwick would need to beat Ithaca for Alfred to win it if they lost to the Bombers. Ithaca hasn't looked like world-beaters, but Springfield and Hartwick don't either.

It seems then, that the GoB hypothetical is based on the presumption that only Ithaca or Alfred can win the E8, or perhaps more narrowly, only Ithaca or Alfred can win the E8 outright, without a tiebreaker?

I'm not sure I'm on board with the thought that Utica would have a tougher time with Hartwick's first 4 opponents than all other E8 teams.  2-2 Utica's OWP is .556, 4-0 Hartwick's OWP is .250.  I value Ws a LOT more than OWPs, but Utica's lost two very close games to two teams with a combined 6-1 record.

That would be incorrect. Fisher could win it outright, as well. My statement is limited to my belief that it is extremely unlikely Alfred could win the conference without beating IC.

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Quote from: Upstate on September 29, 2009, 11:48:29 AM

Quote from: gobombers15 on September 29, 2009, 11:37:05 AM

It's plausible, sure. It's also quite unlikely. Such a situation would all but require Alfred to be otherwise perfect in the conference and for Ithaca to lose two of three against Fisher, Hartwick and Springfield. Again, it could happen, but I think the probability of it happening is not high.

That's right, I totally forgot how awesome and intimidating Ithaca has looked this year...

That's cute. I never said they did look awesome. In fact, I'm often one of few Ithaca posters who has always spoke out about how overrated Ithaca often is and how poor of a coach Welch really is.  But you've said nothing to disprove my valid point that it is unlikely that Alfred would get the AQ even with a loss at Ithaca. An IC win is tantamount to a 2-game advantage over Alfred because of tiebreaker implications. Barring some odd three-way or four-way tie, yes, it is unlikely (read: less than 50% chance) that Alfred could lose at Ithaca and still get the AQ. As I said, it's plausible, but also unlikely.

So you're confident that IC isn't going to lose 2 conference games?

I think it unlikely that they will lose two conference games, IMO. That's not because I think this is a great or even a very good Ithaca team. I think they can win three of four in conference. However, that was not the issue. You stated that Alfred may lose at IC and still take the AQ. My position is that, while plausible, it is unlikely.

Quote from: Upstate on September 29, 2009, 11:48:29 AM

Quote from: gobombers15 on September 29, 2009, 11:37:05 AM

It's plausible, sure. It's also quite unlikely. Such a situation would all but require Alfred to be otherwise perfect in the conference and for Ithaca to lose two of three against Fisher, Hartwick and Springfield. Again, it could happen, but I think the probability of it happening is not high.

That's right, I totally forgot how awesome and intimidating Ithaca has looked this year...

That's cute. I never said they did look awesome. In fact, I'm often one of few Ithaca posters who has always spoke out about how overrated Ithaca often is and how poor of a coach Welch really is.  But you've said nothing to disprove my valid point that it is unlikely that Alfred would get the AQ even with a loss at Ithaca. An IC win is tantamount to a 2-game advantage over Alfred because of tiebreaker implications. Barring some odd three-way or four-way tie, yes, it is unlikely (read: less than 50% chance) that Alfred could lose at Ithaca and still get the AQ. As I said, it's plausible, but also unlikely.