Quote from: JK on December 19, 2007, 11:39:47 PMQuote from: formerraider on December 19, 2007, 01:26:07 PM
There are so many problems with what you said, I don't even know where to begin. Stating that lk has always been quiet and classy would suggest that you knew him when he was young, but then again you are the same as age as vince, so you couldn't have known him then.
OK, in the true literal sense, that would be the case...if you want to argue semantics. I guess to word it properly, I should say that every time I had the opportunity to talk to LK, he has been quiet and classy. No wait, that's not right either, because that doesn't account for the time that I wasn't speaking to him, so that COULDN'T be ALWAYS, now could it. I guess I would have to reword it to say that "Despite growing up in the Alliance area, with a mother who has been involved with MUC since she graduated in LK's class in 1971 and a father who was a local football coach, it would SEEM that LK is quiet and classy, though I may be wrong, since I can't definitively say how he is ALL THE TIME." Perhaps I should have been more clear, but I didn't think I needed to spell it out in crayon for you. Sheesh, I didn't think anyone would get so upset about a compliment of LK.Quote from: formerraider on December 19, 2007, 01:26:07 PMIf we want to get very particular, I didn't say "A" HS Dance, I said "a couple," but that is neither here nor there. The point is that rather than just saying I didn't or don't like VK and having my credibility attacked for "not knowing him," I thought I would give some background as to why I didn't/don't like Vince. I don't know/ care if Vince ever liked me or if he likes or dislikes me right now. I'm sure he doesn't lose sleep over it. I know I don't. He has been successful in what he wants to do and I have been successful in my chosen path as well. I have a great wife and an 18 month old son. His wife, Lindsey, is a great girl (I know her from HS/ college as well). I am pretty sure Vince cares what I think about him as much as I care about what he thinks about me...ZERO. So, you are right, big deal!
You say you didn't like him, when you "interacted" with him at a high school dance? My guess is that he probably didn't like you either. big deal!Quote from: formerraider on December 19, 2007, 01:26:07 PMOK, If you want me too. Both were smack talking jerks on the field, but they were two of the best I ever played against. Vince wasn't even in the top 10. Besides, this isn't about them, so why bring them up?
And his mouth on the field? If that was the case why didn't you call out BJ Payne and Mark Black too? Now those guys had a mouth!Quote from: formerraider on December 19, 2007, 01:26:07 PMI'm not jealous of VK. I'm jealous that he is still involved in the game I love so much and I am not so much anymore, but not of any of the other stuff. Sure, MUC whipped our azzes every time we played them. I fully expected that, though. I mean, I always played to win, and believed we could, but I was also a realist, and reality was that we weren't very good at Cap and MUC was. You don't have to go to an NCAC school to add that up. And by the way, neither girl from Alliance that I dated liked Vince much either, so I sincerely doubt that he stole my girlfriend. If he did, oh well. I didn't marry either one, so it's not like I am getting "seconds."
My guess is that you are probably jealous of vk, he stole your girlfriend in high school and beat you every time he played you in college. You'll just have to get over it!
All this said, I understand the emotions. Did Vince have a legit beef with the non-call? Maybe. Did he need to throw a hissy fit? NO. Did his 15 yarder impact the outcome of the game? NO, but that doesn't excuse it.
To prove to you that I am over it, I have changed my mind. I do hope Vince becomes the HC at MUC one day. I know you can't be a successful DC without doing the work, and everyone is entitled to their own successes. Doesn't mean I have to like the guy.
I said in my original post that I didn't care what the backlash was for my comments. I still don't. I thought Vince was an arrogant, always wanted to get his way, and didn't know how to react if he didn't. I know it was one on-field blowup in a big game, but it seems from that, to still be the same.
You are right, you don't have to like him. What you said has nothing to do with football. It has nothing to do with the game. It was a personal attack from 10-15 years ago. For someone you don't really care for, he sure seems to have had a big impact on your life!