Quote from: FisherAlum05 on November 12, 2007, 10:16:02 PM
Whats with the negative attitude lately PG04?  Not usually like you!  We need to have faith in our region.

I would not want to face IC.  They are easier teams I would rather face than a hot IC from a red hot conference (E8).

SJF can play with anyone and has a real shot at reaching the semi's again.  Clearly, the class of the E8.

Finally, I would not want to play Hartwick under any circumstances.  Unless your offense can score 76 a game, this is a team no one wants in the first round.  I feel sorry for Curry when Boltus gets going.

Quote from: Jonny Utah on November 04, 2007, 04:28:08 PM

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Yea but I dont think anyone is saying that Hartwick is the best team in the league.  In fact, if you took a poll, Im sure most people would say Hartwick is the 4th best team in the league ahead of 5th best Springfield. 

I have a hard time resolving that, since they beat SJF and Ithaca head-to-head.  Also, I think Ithaca is playing a lot better now than they were at the beginning of the year.  I'm not sure Fisher could win convincingly at Butterfield in Week 11.

I really have no feel for how this is going to play out Jonny.  My guess is Cortland gets left out even if they win Cortaca, because the TCNJ loss was so convincing, and the Brockport loss is rather ugly in retrospect.  I haven't seen quite this much parity in the East in a long time.  In some ways, that is not a good thing.  Because there may not be a team good enough to win out of region once we hit the semi finals.

Yea I think Cortland or Ithaca needs to blow out each other in order for either to make it.  Utica beating Hartwick seems like the biggest help IC could get.

Quote from: Jonny Utah on November 04, 2007, 04:28:08 PM

Quote from: Cortland_Football on November 04, 2007, 01:37:53 PM

Quote from: Jonny Utah on November 03, 2007, 08:00:56 PM


Yea but I dont think anyone is saying that Hartwick is the best team in the league.  In fact, if you took a poll, Im sure most people would say Hartwick is the 4th best team in the league ahead of 5th best Springfield. 

It's not what people think, its what happens on the field.  Wick beat IC: Wick beat SJF: Wick beat SC: - only loss on the to AU after a killer early schedule.  Wick deserves to be the E8 champ or co-champ.  It is not a fluke - give them some well earned respect. 

By the way, I would not want to play them in the playoffs.  Ask IC or SJF.



I have a hard time resolving that, since they beat SJF and Ithaca head-to-head.  Also, I think Ithaca is playing a lot better now than they were at the beginning of the year.  I'm not sure Fisher could win convincingly at Butterfield in Week 11.

I really have no feel for how this is going to play out Jonny.  My guess is Cortland gets left out even if they win Cortaca, because the TCNJ loss was so convincing, and the Brockport loss is rather ugly in retrospect.  I haven't seen quite this much parity in the East in a long time.  In some ways, that is not a good thing.  Because there may not be a team good enough to win out of region once we hit the semi finals.

Yea I think Cortland or Ithaca needs to blow out each other in order for either to make it.  Utica beating Hartwick seems like the biggest help IC could get.

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Quote from: mpf1975 on November 04, 2007, 07:22:40 PM
Saw some great points over the last 24 hours.  Nice to have the E8 getting people's "hair up".   What is great about this year, we have 4 teams that have legitimate arguments they should all be in post-season play.  In fact, all four teams are right - they should all make post season play.   And that may still happen.  However, it is quite simple:

SJF   - win or lose they are in
Wick - win (AQ) or ECAC (the WNEC is a killer)
AU    - win (AQ) or ECAC (only if IC loses)
IC     - win or lose: ECAC either way

Winner or the E8 gets the higher seed (that's the way it should be), SJF will get the Pool C (assuming both wick and Fisher win).  AU and IC both get ECAC, however IC needs to beat Cortland and AU needs to have a good game against Fisher.  Otherwise, to many good teams in the east to get both an ECAC game.

By the way, Springfield is the best 3-6 team on the planet.

dood grow a brain...

SJF win their in, lose it is a toss up

Wick win and have Alfred lose and their in...if Fisher loses it will most likely be an either or......

ALfred has to win...if they lose they might not even make the ECAC's

Ithaca usually does not do ECAC's but if they rout The gym teachers from Cortland and hobart loses, then we could possibly see 3 e8 teams in the playoffs,  I could see 2 possibly 3 pool c's,  Ithaca's best shot is Fisher beats alfred, Utica beats hartwick (although I think that Ithaca stands a chance If hartwick wins) DelValley beats Albright and Ithaca beats cortland in a monkey stomp

The only Pool C hope for the E8 is SJF. 

I can't believe you would think IC over Wick, when Wick beat them.  Head to head means everything in comparisions.  It's only when you don't play each other, a subjective view comes into play such as SOS or quality wins..

Your deaming if you think 3 E8 teams will make the playoffs. 

Saw some great points over the last 24 hours.  Nice to have the E8 getting people's "hair up".   What is great about this year, we have 4 teams that have legitimate arguments they should all be in post-season play.  In fact, all four teams are right - they should all make post season play.   And that may still happen.  However, it is quite simple:

SJF   - win or lose they are in
Wick - win (AQ) or ECAC (the WNEC is a killer)
AU    - win (AQ) or ECAC (only if IC loses)
IC     - win or lose: ECAC either way

Winner or the E8 gets the higher seed (that's the way it should be), SJF will get the Pool C (assuming both wick and Fisher win).  AU and IC both get ECAC, however IC needs to beat Cortland and AU needs to have a good game against Fisher.  Otherwise, to many good teams in the east to get both an ECAC game.

By the way, Springfield is the best 3-6 team on the planet.

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Quote from: mpf1975 on October 31, 2007, 10:01:09 PM
The results of this weekend could be mind blowing.  An IC and Wick win, most likley Hartwick (can you believe it) will be in the drivers seat for the E8 title.  If IC loses, then whoever put them in the Regional top 10 this week must be an IC grad, because they will finish a weak 4th in the E8 with no postseason this year.

The class of the league, SJU may end up being left out even if they beat AU. However, if they don't make the tourney, then there is truley a flaw in the selection process.

This maybe one of the best finishes in years for the E8.  Let's hope being very good conference doesn't hurt in the long run.

Haha.  No possible way that a 9-1 Fisher team gets left out.  Either Pool A or Pool C.

And, I know everybody thinks Hartwick is the AQ bid if they win out, but I'm not so sure yet.  I still don't think any of us really know how to determine the winner in a 3-way tie.  Its so damn complicated, and I just cant understand how Hartwick would have an advantage in terms of Strength of Schedule.  But, we could find out in a couple weeks.

Right now Hartwick has the better SOS. I have to believe that AU playing IC/SJF versus
'wick playing SC/UC will reverse that by the end of the year. I don't think there is any argument that AU would get the AQ in a 3-way.

Well if there is a 3 way tie in the end that means Fisher will have beaten Alfred giving them 2 losses Hartwick 2 losses and Fisher only with one.  That should help Fisher out in SOS over the other two since you get more points for a win.  But I could be wrong

Don't forget IC.  If IC beats AU and Fisher beats AU and Wick beats SC, Fisher and Wick tie for the title. And with Wick's win earlier this year at the cage, Wick gets the AQ.  Fisher will still get in with the Pool C nod and IC will get ECAC game.  However, I don't think there is any scenerio that gets IC to the tourney.  Maybe if Wick loses to SC, but SOS may hurt them.  

You never know....

Agreed Fisher is in.  And let's hope they have as good a run in the playoffs this year as they did last year.  The E8 will again be proud.

I also think the keys for Hartwick is the health of Crea.  He missed last week against Norwich with a bad foot.  If he is not 100%, then Hartwick will need a 600+ passing performance from Boltus.  And they still may fall short.

Also, Hartwick's best defender, Flaherty has been out for the past 3 weeks with a bad knee.  If he returns they are a different team on defense.  Without him, its like missing Crea.  If they are both out, SC will do some damage.

The results of this weekend could be mind blowing.  An IC and Wick win, most likley Hartwick (can you believe it) will be in the drivers seat for the E8 title.  If IC loses, then whoever put them in the Regional top 10 this week must be an IC grad, because they will finish a weak 4th in the E8 with no postseason this year.

The class of the league, SJU may end up being left out even if they beat AU. However, if they don't make the tourney, then there is truley a flaw in the selection process.

This maybe one of the best finishes in years for the E8.  Let's hope being very good conference doesn't hurt in the long run.

If the weather is good this weekend:

Hartwick    48
Springfield 38

AU 33
IC  27

If its raining or windy:

Hartwick    28
Springfield 35

AU 24
IC  28

I hear the sprinklers are already on at IC (never can get enough water on that field for a big game).

Quote from: Jonny Utah on October 28, 2007, 09:07:24 PM

Quote from: sjfcards on October 28, 2007, 08:15:22 PM
Well the game this weekend between AU and Ithaca is looking to be a bigger and bigger game. IC needs to win out to have any chance at a playoff birth (I still don't think they have any chance). And, AU needs to win out to get the AQ. With two losses I think it will be tough for any E8 team to get an at large bid. So, the next two weeks are make or break time for AU.

Should be a fun couple of weekends.

There are a lot of 1-2 loss teams out there already in the east.  That makes me think a 2 loss team (E8) will get the at large bid....

The AU loss this weekend really hurts the E8.  Had AU run the table and SJF remained at one loss, both teams (despite who won the head to head battle) would make the tourney.  However, with the Bart loss, both Hartwick and IC are back in the picture, with a real possibility that the E8 may not get a second bid.  I am not sure that confusion and parity helps the E8 this year.