I wouldn't be too flattered...probably more to do with Wartburg being the homecoming opponent than anything. I think there's a lot of respect between the two programs but Central wants to beat W'burg just as much as Coe, BV, Simpson etc. To say it's just another game on the schedule would be a lie because it usually has playoff implications every year but every conference game is a big one.

Simpson is still our biggest rival I would say and again I think the shirts are probably geared more towards it being homecoming. The owner is a Central alum who worked in admissions and coached for Central before opening his store. Hopefully he's doing well with his everything there. Too bad a "Sports Page" bar and grill opened up right up the street too, I'm sure there's some confusion but I do like that to support that also when I'm back in Pella!

After reading a report from the scrimmage, I'm really not too surprised to hear the Dutch have a ways to go. There will be a lot of new names on both sides of the ball. I think I'm old enough now not to know many of the players anymore which is kind of weird. Last year's group of seniors (5th years too) were a very special group on and off the field. I'm hoping the next group is ready to step up and maintain the tradition. If they play as hard as last year's team and never give up down the stretch, I'm sure there is enough talent to do some good things with.

I'm curious to see what this year will bring with so many new faces. McMartin inherited some pretty good teams and I'm anxious to see how some of his recruits do this year. This will really be a good test of his coaching ability with such a young/inexperienced squad.

btw, it was a great day in Kinnick and fun to see the Hawks score some points. Granted it was Maine and that's what they were supposed to do but still some encouraging things from week 1.

Quote from: dutchfan1 on July 17, 2008, 05:37:33 PM

Quote from: Klompen on July 17, 2008, 12:44:04 PM

Quote from: doolittledog on July 17, 2008, 12:22:26 PM
I wonder if Central and Simpson might actually get crowds to rival Wartburg if they actually had better looking seating.  Plus I would think it would help recruiting a bit if it didn't look like most of the other schools had better facilities than you, even if the current seating capacity was adequate.  Of course Central has a pretty good argument that they are doing just fine thank you very much in the recruiting department!!!

Central has it in the master plan to renovate the stadium, but I think it is a longer range plan.  This year they are adding a new education/psychology building and renovating one of the residence halls.  Academics gets their turn at Central.    Eventually the plan is to build a new stadium opposite the current home bleachers for the home side and the current home stands will become visitor seating.  The plan is to have a nice area behind the top of the bleachers where they can serve meals tailgate style, have reunions, etc.  It sounds awesome, but I'm not sure how long before it comes to be a reality.  

Weren't you guys saying a week ago that we didn't have enough fans to justify the stands we already have??

Central's seating is definitely adequate for the number of fans, I've never seen it full. I always heard it was "standing room only" for Wartburg and Simpson games before my time there. Not the case in my 4 years there. People would be scattered on the hills behind the end zones but that was by choice.

The field/complex looks nice with the field turf, the red end zones and alt. colored green 5 yard stripes are pretty sharp.

Flipping the home/visitor would be a good thing, only disadvantage is it's a longer walk from the parking lot but not a big deal. I like the idea of having that patio type area overlooking the field. That would be pretty neat and practical I would think.

I've seen every IIAC field/stadium in person and I would say Wartburg is by far the nicest. I do like The Rock Bowl for some reason and Luther is probably my number two favorite, mostly for the scenery around it. Our field is pretty sharp but I wish they would do more to give it an enclosed feel on the west side. We obviously don't need more seating, but aesthetically it would be kind of cool.

I'll never forget watching Central play UD at home one year when one of their receivers starting jawing back at the crowd! He was having a rough afternoon and it must have finally gotten to him. It was late in the game and quiet enough that you could actually hear him yelling back at the crowd, pretty funny.

Quote from: Klopenhiemer on July 09, 2008, 05:44:09 PM

Quote from: DutchFan2004 on July 09, 2008, 02:56:27 PM

Quote from: D1HawkD3CUI on July 09, 2008, 01:37:44 PM

This is my own opinion but I think Central fans are pretty...well, um...boring!

I don't want this to offend anyone, especially the parents of players because they obviously log a ton of miles to watch their sons each Saturday and a lot of them are great fans and great people but the Central crowds always seemed pretty pathetic for how good of a team we put on the field. I realize this isn't Big 10 football but even a small crowd can be fun/loud!

I was a student from 2002-2006, lived with many football/baseball players and I spent many fall Saturdays in Schipper Stadium and I was always so frustrated with our fan base considering how good we were/are.

First, the student section which should be the heart of any collegiate crowd was pretty bad, here's why in my opinion:

1. The A.D. -his nickname is "the fun hater" and he lived up to it.

2. The majority of the student body had little/no interest in supporting athletics. Usually the other athletes were the only ones who really cared about the other teams. There seemed to be a little animosity toward the football team from a lot of students actually.

3. Dry campus-Obviously drinking went on, but no tailgating of any sort minus one group that tried to make it fun at the games for everyone else (We tried and again I know it's not Iowa City or Ames. A lot of people probably appreciate that actually)

4. BKE frat's showing- The BKE's were the one "true frat" at Central and they used to be well represented and loud at the games. they had a bunch of funny cheers that were actually pretty good. That dwindled down to a handful of guys and that took a lot away from the games.

5. Unless it was a perfect fall day, people didn't even show up for the game. It didn't matter who we were playing or how big the game was, 72 and sunny or 3/4 of the student section was empty. A LOT of students go home on weekends at Central, they didn't really get the whole college thing.

6. The Pep Band-This has nothing to do with bad fans but they were pretty awful. I appreciated the effort but you don't have a pep band for football! We would be better off with music over the PA but I'm sure Al had a problem with that.

7. Iowa/ISU fans- A lot of students would rather sit inside and watch iowa or isu then walk to the field. I know I missed a few games for Kinnick myself but rarely missed a home game in my 4 years.

8. All the fun people were on the sidelines! When you have 130+ guys dressing for a home game, that's a lot of guys that probably would be front row making noise after tailgating all morning with us.

AAgain, that's probably what some people like about a D3 game, you don't have to worry about f-bombs all over and beer cans everywhere but Central games just lacked any sort of NCAA atmosphere. I have a great time at Wartburg, Simpson and even Luther but Pella just never seemed to get anyone excited.

I always felt bad for the players myself considering how hard they work and how successful they were but I guess they weren't playing in D3 for the big crowds or big game atmosphere.

Long post, i'll wrap it up.

Somehow I think it is sad that you equate people dropping f-bombs, getting drunk, and people making fools of themselves a good time or an NCAA experience. I can only speak for myself but the players parents put on a pretty good tailgate with some good food and good conversation.  I think SK had some good times with us.  I think of it as having a great cookout good friends and great times.  Fun, Family, and Football.  Does it get any better than that.  I have had a wonderful time being a parent of a Dutch player.  I am looking forward to seeing games without the worries of will my kid get up after taking a pounding.  I will still be at the games and tailgating.  That was a really great time.  Son #1 and his sons will be joining me cooking out pigging out on some great Dutch pastries.  I am not a prohibition guy but why does getting drunk have to equate to a good time?  Not opposed to someone having a Hamm's or two or even three but if you can not control yourself where is the fun in that? 

I really do not think the point was that to have an NCAA experience you need drunken fans and f bombs.  I think he was stating that at Central you do not have to worry about f bombs or beer cans everywhere.  

Wartburg puts on a great NCAA experience and and I think Luther does as well.  There is something to be said when you walk onto the field at these places.  It really makes you feel like you are playing in neat facility.  

I realize that some adults do get drunk at tailgates.  I will go out on a limb and say that majority of  the "dumb drinking" happens by the students.  Since drinking is such a large aspect of the college experience in general, its no wonder the University of Iowa student section is loaded with drunks.  

I find it very sad that in todays society we jump to such drastic conclusions as being "drunk" when we talk about drinking.  Alcohol is a big part of culture and a big business in this country.  Beer and sporting events is almost a national past time.  Just because a guys wants to have a few Bud Lights at a tailgate does not mean hes going to get sloppy drunk.  

But lets face it folks, alcohol is a lubricant.  If people have a 3 beers before a game they will be a bit looser and tend to take part on those goofy cheers.  I realize that we do have those type A personalities who will cheer at the drop of the hat, but whens the last time anyone on here stood up and started a cheer, other than DF1

Thanks Klop.. I tried to reiterate that a couple of times and I realize it's not Iowa City, and that's something some D3 fans prefer. Central is definitely a great place to bring the whole family over for a game and not have to worry about exposing them to all of that.

What I'm talking about is atmosphere, the buzz surrounding the stadium and energy from the crowd. Players feed off of it on the field and it makes the games more enjoyable for everyone. It doesn't take 70,000 people who have been tailgating for several hours to have that, although that's what I love about Iowa games myself!

I would say the same thing about Northwestern. We were out at that game last fall and it didn't feel like a Big 10 game really to me. Just like Central didn't always feel like a NCAA game because the crowd always seemed dead.

My point definitely wasn't that you need excessive boozing to have good fans but there's nothing wrong with having a good time before/during/after the game.

Quote from: wartknight on July 09, 2008, 11:12:45 AM

Quote from: DBQ1965 on July 09, 2008, 07:25:55 AM
This is what I have so far.  I'm not sure about a couple of spellings since they came from "secondary sources" ... If your name is missing, let me know on here.

IIAC FAN BASE
UD:  doolittledog, DBQ1965, Spurrier, WillieU, Keith45

Central:  dutchFan2004, Dutchfan1, Klompen, KCDutch, Dutchlb, oldbeake, Airborne Dutch

Wartburg:  Walston Hoover, sportsknight, Wartburg Fan, footballdaddy, TheOne89.1

Luther:  Ram2

BV:  The Show, Klopenheimer, BeaverOfYore

Coe:  Charlie Kohawk, coocooforcokohawks, Kohawk Krazy, the_mayne_event, Kohawk Remedy

Cornell:  Purple Hayes, Ash Park

Loras:

Simpson:  Storm-what?, sc-stormchaser, New Storm

Wartknight for the warts

D1HawkD3CUI for the Dutch obviously....

I think Central/Wartburg/Coe could play with Drake. We basically recruit the same kids and I don't think the talent level is any different. I would love to see an IIAC get a chance at Drake.

This is my own opinion but I think Central fans are pretty...well, um...boring!

I don't want this to offend anyone, especially the parents of players because they obviously log a ton of miles to watch their sons each Saturday and a lot of them are great fans and great people but the Central crowds always seemed pretty pathetic for how good of a team we put on the field. I realize this isn't Big 10 football but even a small crowd can be fun/loud!

I was a student from 2002-2006, lived with many football/baseball players and I spent many fall Saturdays in Schipper Stadium and I was always so frustrated with our fan base considering how good we were/are.

First, the student section which should be the heart of any collegiate crowd was pretty bad, here's why in my opinion:

1. The A.D. -his nickname is "the fun hater" and he lived up to it.

2. The majority of the student body had little/no interest in supporting athletics. Usually the other athletes were the only ones who really cared about the other teams. There seemed to be a little animosity toward the football team from a lot of students actually.

3. Dry campus-Obviously drinking went on, but no tailgating of any sort minus one group that tried to make it fun at the games for everyone else (We tried and again I know it's not Iowa City or Ames. A lot of people probably appreciate that actually)

4. BKE frat's showing- The BKE's were the one "true frat" at Central and they used to be well represented and loud at the games. they had a bunch of funny cheers that were actually pretty good. That dwindled down to a handful of guys and that took a lot away from the games.

5. Unless it was a perfect fall day, people didn't even show up for the game. It didn't matter who we were playing or how big the game was, 72 and sunny or 3/4 of the student section was empty. A LOT of students go home on weekends at Central, they didn't really get the whole college thing.

6. The Pep Band-This has nothing to do with bad fans but they were pretty awful. I appreciated the effort but you don't have a pep band for football! We would be better off with music over the PA but I'm sure Al had a problem with that.

7. Iowa/ISU fans- A lot of students would rather sit inside and watch iowa or isu then walk to the field. I know I missed a few games for Kinnick myself but rarely missed a home game in my 4 years.

8. All the fun people were on the sidelines! When you have 130+ guys dressing for a home game, that's a lot of guys that probably would be front row making noise after tailgating all morning with us.

AAgain, that's probably what some people like about a D3 game, you don't have to worry about f-bombs all over and beer cans everywhere but Central games just lacked any sort of NCAA atmosphere. I have a great time at Wartburg, Simpson and even Luther but Pella just never seemed to get anyone excited.

I always felt bad for the players myself considering how hard they work and how successful they were but I guess they weren't playing in D3 for the big crowds or big game atmosphere.

Long post, i'll wrap it up.

Found this on youtube, thought it was pretty interesting what goal #3 is for Loras football this year:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG6WKJvcHLA&feature=related

And I thought I would throw this in as well: Central's 2007 highlights

part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3EF7jJD4EU

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jp-x12lco4&feature=related

Quote from: DutchFan2004 on July 03, 2008, 04:07:51 PM

Quote from: OzJohnnie on July 03, 2008, 01:18:47 AM

Quote from: warthog on July 03, 2008, 12:38:35 AM
Perhaps next time I'll suggest human sacrafice.  

You gotta be more specific.  Which humans?

I think you are safe no one said anything about the Johnnie fans! Yet anyways

I'll pipe up and say that was one of the most gratifying wins I have seen at Central, especially with some of the chatter on here leading up to it. That was just flat out domination.

Sorry to beat the dead horse here but I've got to weigh in on the Iowa fan comments made by Warthog.

First when you label a group of fan's as rude, idiotic, johnny come lately uneducated pricks, you're going to upset some people. I know you're making generalizations based on a bad experience you personally had but I think you picked the wrong fan base to call out and no fan base is immune from some bad apples, even almighty Wartburg.

Iowa fans if nothing else are passionate and loyal. I know I've sat in Kinnick next to some of "those guys" in fact I've probably been one myself (at ISU last year). But for every bad one you run into, there's 10,000 loyal fans that are there to have a good time and Iowa fans certainly know how to do that! The majority of us  have been with the Hawks through the rocky times which weren't that long before the New Years Day bowl games.

Iowa fans know how to travel and the bowl committees DO notice that. (The Western Michigan game fell on the student's fall break so of course the student section wasn't as packed as usual by the way). Either way, if Iowa wins that game they're packing their bags for a 7th straight bowl game.

When you go down to a bowl game or a road game you hear "go Hawks!" almost everywhere you go whether you're in Tampa, Florida or Evanston, Illinois. I was even on my honeymoon in the Dominican Republic two weeks ago wearing an Iowa shirt on my way to the beach when I heard it!

As long as there are athletic teams there are going to be bad fans. Wartburg has them, Simpson, BV, ISU...and of course Central and Iowa. If you're going to express your hatred for a group of people, you might want to hold off on using "the majority...or 90% of them" and other blanket statements.

I have no problem with anyone giving their opinion but maybe you should choose your words a little more carefully.

As for me this fall, I'll enjoy watching the Hawks at Kinnick with the rest of my fellow "uneducated idiot pricks." When I'm not in Iowa City, I'll be watching the Dutch defend our 3rd consecutive Iowa Conference Crown and build on our 27 game regular season winning streak.

Quote from: warthog on July 02, 2008, 01:24:56 PM
I guess I'm going against the grain here.  I hate University of Iowa football.

1) Until the recent renovations, Kinnick Stadium was "expanded" by simply narrowing the seat lines.  It is way too crowded especially later in the season when people are wearing coats.  You have a 70,000 seat stadium designed for 50,000.

2) Parking is awful.

3) Fans are rude and mean spirited.  Example: One of our friends is a local attorney.  In the past he would allow the university to use his plane to ferry basketball and wrestling coaches around on recruiting trips.  As a result his Carver tickets are right next to the locker room tunnel.  Even though he got his MBA at Iowa and he is an Iowa fan he attended law school at Drake.  When Drake dropped D1 football you may remember they had a last season game at Iowa.  Our friend decided to wear his Drake shirt to the game.  I've never seen such pricks as the Iowa fans that day.  They knew the Hawks would win, it was a name the score type of game.  They threw things at us.  They intentionally pushed and tried to pick fights.  Even though the Little Warthogs were with us, the Iowa fans used language any decent person would refrain from using around little kids.  It wasn't just a couple people it was large numbers of them.  I never saw anything like it even at Iowa/Iowa State games.  I figured it had to do with the fact that you would norally have enough Cyclone fans around that some of the loud mouth pricks would think twice about their behavior.  That day, with just a few Drake people around, there was no such restraint.  The thing that is amazing is that the "Iowa Fans" had no idea they were being pricks to one of their own.  By the way, the University of Iowa no longer gets the use of his plane.  They still assign him Carver tickets by the tunnel and try to get him back in the saddle, but he can't forget the Drake game.

4) Iowa fans are for the most part Johnny Come Lately.  90 percent of the idiots who walk around with black & gold Hawkeye shirts and shouting "Go Hawks" never finished hgh school and have no concept of the history concerning Iowa Football.  Sometime for the fun of it ask a typical Iowa fan, "Who is Nile Kinnick?"  Over half will tell you Nile and Kinnick were the two guys that gave most of the money for the Stadium.  If they happen to get the question right, ask them about Alex Karras, Bobby Jeter or Forrest Evechevski. (sp)

I guess my biggest beef is with the typical Iowa fan.  Maybe it is because I'm living right in the middle of so many of them, but they just make me shake my head.  Perhaps the Iowa fans aren't familiar with a winning tradition and they just don't know how to win gracefully.  Perhaps since we don't have  pro football the idiots gravitate to the most visable college team.  For what ever reason I find it easy to hate the Hawks because of the people that love the Hawks.

Wow a Wartburg guy talking smack about Iowa....that's about as low as it gets for me. I understand the frustration, there are some bad Iowa fans out there... but we have a LOT of great ones, just ask anyone on a bowl committee!!

Quote from: sportsknight on March 28, 2008, 05:06:34 PM
Anybody else's Friday afternoon feel like its taken 6 weeks?

I'm going with about 6 years!!!

I thought there was also an FSU GA. Jesse Collins, a former RB for the Dutch I believe? I'm sure he will do great, must be a pretty exciting/anxious time for him.

Df1: Haha, yes there is a good chance if you live in the DM area you are an employee of the Fargo. Fortunately my office was not affected by the cuts. Surprisingly, the head honchos are looking to grow our portion of the company.

I miss college football already...can't wait for it's return!

Quote from: dutchfan1 on January 17, 2008, 03:30:36 PM

Quote from: Walston Hoover on January 17, 2008, 03:22:21 PM
Keep those coming 2k4? Any word on where Timmy will be the gradass at next year?
Dutchie1- You still at Wells or are you somewhere else now?

I left Wells Fargo about 6 months ago. I'm now working in the marketing department of a legal insurance firm, ARAG. Ah, good old Hells Fargo, er, Wells Fargo. Do you still talk to my orange clad former co-worker? 

Dutchfan1 What division of WF were you with? I am currently employed with the Well and just living the dream . Just curious, seems like a lot of CUI grads end up here. I also work with several others from the IIAC. I think we have one from just about every school represented.

D2004 I'm assuming Tim is your son and I wish him luck in his pursuit of a GA position. Central has been able to establish some connections with some pretty solid programs through Jake Anderson, our strength coach. Maybe that could help Tim with his search??

Just off the top of my head I know we have GA's or interns in the strength/conditioning field at Boise State, Kentucky, Iowa State and a couple others that are escaping me at the moment. I know our grad at BSU interned with Louisville for a summer through coach Anderson.

We're lucky to have Coach Anderson at Central, I'm sure he has/or had some opportunities to move up the NCAA ranks but he is great for the Dutch. He was under Doyle at Iowa which has helped our strength/conditioning students get a foot in the door with some good programs. I'm guessing Coach Mac is helping Tim out as well, I wish him luck with his search.

Congrats UWW, Beaver is a heck of a player and that defense made some plays when they needed to... good to see someone else with trophy, let's hope sometime down the road that's an IIAC team we're all watching on ESPN.

Quote from: doolittledog on December 14, 2007, 04:25:10 PM

Quote from: DutchFan2004 on December 14, 2007, 04:18:01 PM

Quote from: doolittledog on December 14, 2007, 04:13:19 PM
As long as we are on the subject of movies...and this has been worrying me for a few days now.  Do I have to turn in my man card for watching "Waiting to exhale" the other night with my wife???  I could argue that I didn't have a choice because she had the remote...but then some on here might reply with "why did she have control of the remote to begin with"!!!

Well IMO you don't have to turn your card in unless (and this is the biggy) you cried!!!!!

Whew  There was no crying from me...or my wife for that matter

One movie that I think we should get a pass on is Field of Dreams when he asks his dad to play catch at the end... No shame at that point if you ask me. Also, Rudy...perfectly ok to well up a little in my opinion

The chick-flicks, probably not so much