I'm expecting a huge bounce back by Trinity with a solid victory over Southwestern! I'm sure Cunningham has been getting into his guys and has them mentally focused for this weekend.

WOW, where did Oglethorpe come from this year?  I think we might be overlooking them come tourney time!!!

wasn't trying to complain Pat, just cheering on Montgomery!

oh that's right!!! thanks, forgot about the honorable mention teams.  haha, since there are only 5 players on it, it might as well be called 5th team, haha.

which SCAC player made was selected as an All-American two years ago?  the most recent that I can think of is Bryan Egli in '98-99 or '97-98, i'm not sure which one, he was a very good player i hear.  Are you referring to Colorado College's Michael Reich?  In the SCAC defense, he played Pre-SCAC days for CC.  I could be missing someone though. 

I could see this helping Montgomery in becoming recognized on a national stage.  Hopefully he can impress enough to be named to some all-american, all-region teams.  what do ya think Pat?  Think the SCAC having a chance of finally getting another player on the D3 hoops all-american teams?

i wasn't going to name anyone, but yea, he definitely was discriminated because of his style of play.  i never really thought he had a terrible attitude, but he definitely was involved in some sketchy plays, etc.  I believe this cost him a lot of recognition, coaches didn't like him as a sportsman.

and hats off to nestheide, he has taken a role on this team that is essential.  if you notice, he's averaging just as many assists per game in conference as Moore....that's impressive!  He is simply a gamer who knows basketball.  i've always had a great deal of respect for this guy, even playing against him.

also, coaches really do look at whether or not they even like the player themselves as sportsman.  luckily, there are no players in contention this year that I would say are "hated" by most coaches (bad attitude, unsportsman like) but I do feel that coaches have taken this into account when voting in the past.  i'm sure everyone will argue that it shouldn't matter, but I feel it does.

haha, dead on the money wes.  britt's consistency = Humerickhouse's consistency, exactly what i was going for, haha.


in this league I have always felt that when voting for the POY coaches have really looked at a number of things.  1) obviously team success, whether or not they have helped put their team in contention, 2) obviously statistics, and 3) how that particular player faired against their own team.  This is where consistency comes into play.  and not the consistency you're thinking wes (2 ppg, 5 rbg).  the consistant 15+ points ppg and solid defense that is always going to keep his team in the position to win a basketball game.

I'm going to try my hardest to make it out there this year.  Can't promise anything, but you gotta love SCAC tourney time.

That is a terrific analysis pbrooks.  it's nice to know that ONE person agrees that something other than statistics can make a player exceptional.  you talk about all of the qualities that Britt brings on the court, he really reminds me of a more scoring-oriented Chad Stroberg.  The kind of player that will put his body on the line, and put everything on the court.  Doesn't have too many poor performances because he plays within his means at all times.  He is definitely the most consistent player for a winning program this year.  King has been consistently amazing as well, but it's a shame that his supporting cast can't help him get some more wins.  He definitely deserves it with the career he's had thus far.

the tourney is in Conway this year right?  Is this because the spring sports festival is there, or are we actually going to start having some sort of rotation schedule for sites? (i can guarantee no one wants to spend the money to get down to texas for the SCAC tourney)

wes,  i think that is where everyone gets caught up in statistics.  when two players have comparable statistics, it truly comes down to intangibles.  10 assits gets you 20+ points...correct.  Turnovers completely change momentum and the game in itself.  I would much rather have a player who is more reliable with the basketball and Britt has always appeared to be better in this category.  Besides, we all know that style of play comes into account when dealing with statistics.  Depauw has always definitely been a more uptempo team (mostly due to the excellence of Moore) than Centre has; two different coaching styles.  Who is the back up for Moore? I've seen him play a couple of times and know that he was hurt last year, but he's going to be a very good player.  He reminds me of a better Brandon Daniels, for those of you who remember Southwestern's "spark" off the bench a few years back.

actually Wes, the apg i was referring to (4.7) is his assists per game for the 10 conference games played as of this weekend.  nothing to do with assist/turnover.  yes, that is a nice statistic as well.  i was making a point as to saying 3.5 turnovers a game is a major indicator as to the type of basketball Moore plays.  nothing wrong with that.  but in a game where two very good teams are playing each other, i'm going to take a guy that can be more reliable with the basketball, which is why i made the depauw-centre game reference.  obviously i've hit a touchy spot with the depauw fans, when all i am doing is stating that i feel Britt is a better candidate (as of February 4, 2008) for POY than Moore.  Heck, i'm a trinity fan, i could really care less if either of them wins it. 

also, 22-5 i believe would get depauw an at-large.  the first Regional Rankings should be coming out from the NCAA pretty soon if i'm not mistaken?

sorry pbrooks, didn't get to make it to SU this weekend.  must have been someone else.  but i'm definitely on your side with the Britt argument, thus far.  Obviously some will lean more towards certain players than others and that's totally fine.  I'm not saying Moore is a bad player, he'll definitely be on 1st All-SCAC at this rate and i'm also not saying he's a one-dimensional player.  He can score AND he can pass; what's so one-dimensional about that? I've seen him play plenty in his career and agree that he is a terrific player.  His decision making comes into question more often than other players'.  3.5 TO's per game is not a good statistic.  yes, 9 apg is astounding, i know.  but for conference play, he's still averaging close to that 3.5 TO's, yet his apg is 4.7 along with Nestheide.  That's still a good apg statistic, but with 6 TO's in the loss to centre, i would have to give Britt the nod if the season ended today.  i'm not attacking Moore, i'm just stating a case for Britt and explaining why he deserves the POY more than Mike Moore.

DPULefty, i'm not really seeing the point to throwing up statistics for 2 other players.  But that goes back to a very long debate over how much stats should be taken into account.  I just see Britt playing a huge part in a so-far SCAC undefeated Centre season.  And as far as the other 2 players, Moore is a good player, he is tough.  He also shoots his team out of games and tries too much sometimes.  I would definitely give Britt the nod over Moore.  The other player is obviously Montgomerry, who also deserves POY consideration.  But with 2 SCAC losses on the board, it's hard not to give Britt the nod (whom i believe hit the game winner in that one).  This will be an interesting vote this year.  maybe the hardest

I'm going to just throw it out there and say that at this rate, Thomas Britt is going to be named SCAC POY.  He has really developed into a good ball player. 

Sad day as a Trinity fan, but it shows promise.  pbrooks, who looked good for the Tigers?  I noticed freshmen Luke Caldarera posted some fairly good numbers in such a big game.  I've got him pegged on becoming a really good player in this conference.  Right now he lacks the upperclassmen confidence, but this guy has all the tools to be an elite player - he just needs to realize that it's okay to take over at times as a freshmen.