While you have a point here regarding the Norbert game, then by the same standards you are throwing out why Bridgewater at 15-13 is better off than Baruch at 22-6 That is the point - they are in the same bracket and at the same location and Baruch gets to play the #5 team in the nation. WHom did Bridgewater play and beat in the top 20? Out of Baruch's first 5 non-conference games,  were vs. top 20 teams at the time.

The national committee really needs to stop playing nationally ranked teams against each other in the first round - that really kills the entire seeding process.

I too hope that the Eagle players are not seriously hurt and wish them a speedy recovery. When we talk about taunting though, it is important to note that 99 out of 100 situations, the taunting comes from the crowd and unless the home administrators put a stop to it, it gets worse and leads to retaliations on all sides, even if "just" verbal. (Note the photo on D3hoops with the Coast Guard player inbounding the ball with fans in his ear - why do home administrators allow this type of behavior???)

I thought the mantra at division III is to "be loud, be proud and be positive" - that doesn't include taunting opposing players or vice versa. The latter will be addressed.

I have to say that the folks at D3 hoops have done a great job explaining what a raw deal both Baruch and Mary Washington got in being put up against each other in the first round. The committee dropped the ball big time on this one. If you know anything about Baruch and even if you don't, there is no way that you have a 22-6 team play at the #5 team in the nation and have a 15-13 team in the same bracket play someone else. Where is the logic here ?
Clearly it has nothing to do with travel as is often the scenario in first round games in not having teams travel great distances or incur large costs...do they even feel the need to explain such a decision...

Great job Bloodhounds !!!Not bad on the men's side thus far with York and Brooklyn winning in ECACs and our #6 seed winning in the NCAAs. Good luck to all this weekend and keep the fun going.

>If York is not disciplined for their upcoming game, it is an utter disgrace for those who call themselves league administrators. There is no possible way that York should come away from such an ugly  and public display with no disciplinary actions taken against them.

What say you Mr. Ivkovic?<

Let me know if you are applying for my job BubbaChuck? I think I have handled my fair share of disciplinary issues in the past and will continue to do so, BUT it will not be done through  public mediums though...sorry. I do appreciate your concern for my work. Thanks. Zak.

PS - I also appreciate the correct spelling of my last name.

Good luck John Jay !!!

While the finish to the game wasn't pretty, I would completely disagree with some of the posts here as far as it being a "brawl". Clearly there were two punches thrown and the players were separated by their teammates and the excellent refs, while the two head coaches did a great job of preventing any further damage. The term brawl insinuates large numbers of people in a punching free for all - which definitely was not the case. Yes, the stoppage took a few minutes while the refs got all the techs and ejections in order - which they did quite well - my kudos go to the two coaches.

Also, someone said bench-clearing - which DID NOT HAPPEN. One York player left the bench and coach St. John grabbed him...I was by the scorers table and saw the entire incident. I will have to look at the video to make sure of any other issues.

Lastly say what you will, but both coaches made sure that teams shook hands after the game and stayed the entire time while the other team was receiving their awards and medals. So kindly don't rush to judgement. Congrats to John Jay and Baruch and the atmosphere was great all night long.

Some of the negativity is getting absurd here. What are you trying to say NYBB and BubbaChuck, that young men that are older than the typical college student don't deserve to get an college education??? Is it not a credit to Division III, CUNY and other conferences that these kids / young men CAN go to college for 4 years, play sports and earn a degree so that they can all be better off in their future?

Let's not confuse bitterness over losing a game (that's all it is) with giving younjg men and women a chance at earning a college education. And if coach St. John and others like him help young men get a degree (in Division III they can be any age and do so), why would anyone have a problem with that?

Last time I checked we were in NYC where it's not exactly inexpensive to live, so clearly our students (to the tune of 65%) work and pay for their education and living expenses. They are not getting things for free - so give them CREDIT instead of your negativity. Good luck to York and John Jay tomorrow night!

Just FYI - the seedings are correct as previously posted by me. Thanks for your understanding while we listened to some concerns from our membership. Good luck to all in the upcoming postseason and we hope to see the entire CUNYAC family at CCNY.

2008 CUNYAC/Con Edison Senior College
Men's Basketball Championships

Quarterfinals
Saturday, Feb. 16

(8) Lehman at (1) York, 1 p.m. *
(5) Hunter at (4) Baruch, 5 p.m.
(7) City Tech at (2) Brooklyn, 1 p.m. *
(6) John Jay at (3) Staten Island, 1 p.m. (Time Warner Cable - LIVE)

* NOTE: An appeal has been put forth to the CUNYAC's Standards and Ethics Committee regarding the seeding of the No. 1 and 2 positions, which may affect the pairings. Check back on this page often to view finalized information as it becomes available to cunyathletics.com.

Two quick points on the newer version of the CUNY you all know and the current trends...

1. Besides Hunter and CCNY, Queens (2009) and CSI (2010) are in the process of building dorms on campus with others looking into it...

2. The academic standards were raised significantly quite a while ago when all the remedials were delegated to the community colleges and with the introduction of the Honors College - such moves have allowed CUNY to recruit a different and younger high school student. Across the board the CUNY students of today are very close to the standards across the country in terms of age, although we still serve the "older" generation. As I said before though, Baruch, Brooklyn, CCNY, Hunter and Queens are by far the toughest to get into while some others are inching closer to their standards.

That would be correct Danny.

Top four teams overall (best conference records, regardless of the division) will host quarterfinal games in their own gymnasiums, with the semifinals and finals taking place at CCNY. The reasons are various, all in the best interest of the event moving forward in a positive direction, although we have heard the complaints about the slippery floor at CCNY and will do our best (under the circumstances) to alleviate those concerns.

Come to the event, see for yourself and I am looking forward to the positive and negative feedback from one and all. We want to continue to get better and your input helps.

Sorry I didn't get to reply earlier but I will say that quite a few folks are posting things on here that are rather far from reality.

1. Too many assumptions - unless you KNOW, please don't post things that make no sense. There were too many to name. Aside from Dennis Echols leaving after his junior year from CSI to York, very little else made sense.

2. Academic standards in CUNY - take a look at the Tier 1 schools in CUNY; they are comparable and tougher to get in then most of our competitors in the Northeast... + far too many schools recruit student-athletes to fulfill their enrollment, therefore as long as the kids can pay they are in...often times academics are secondary.
Also, CUNY conference is a rarity in D3 as we REQUIRE every SA to have a minimum of a 2.0 GPA from start to finish. Wins and losses count, but in the classroom first.

3. Turnover in CUNY - it's very true. Why? We have 65% of our kids that work at least 20 hours a week. That means that they are supporting their education and sometimes family...sports are a way to keep their mind and body in tune, not something they do 24/7 as they may on campuses with dorms and no responsibilities aside from school and their sport.

4. Rhodes makes a good point on the FT coaches and we are working on changing that.

5. Transfers - Like any piano player, debate team member or Student Gov't member on any campus, our kids can choose where they want to go to school and should be free to do so within reason. Clearly knowing the rules helps (self-release as Pat mentioned) and hopefully they can do so in between academic years and not be influenced by anyone to do so otherwise. Any proof to the contrary would be detrimental to someone's employment opportunities in our league.

6. Scheduling - If you pay attention to the schedules of our teams, you will see Baruch, CCNY, Hunter, John Jay, Lehman, CSI and York playing some of the best teams from around the country and traveling to play them. We are not shy about going out and playing the best as this is not your father's CUNY. True, our record over the past 20 years is not one littered with trips to Salem, but life is about moving forward and learning from history.

I look forward to seeing the 4 best teams at CCNY on Feb. 19th...and all of you, including Pat.

Excellent game on tap tonight at Staten Island with Baruch visiting. Should be the best game in the league thus far in 2007-08...

Just a clarification for all regarding the intra-conference transfers. Only 5 conferences in the nation in Division III have some sort of a rule that prohibit such actions and CUNYAC is not one of them - yet.