Rams - your post was a little confusing... Baruch beat St. Mary's by 19 when they played head to head in the regular season and held them to 53 points or so but your post makes it sound as if St. Mary's deserved a bid over Baruch. Baruch actually plays a decent out of conference schedule, its their in conference schedule that kills their "strength of schedule" rank (CCNY, Medgar Evers...etc).

knight_life - JWill was most likely just referring to the fact that Baruch beat CCNY by 29 with 10 players getting double digit minutes and 13 players scoring. Regardless of the competition, that's a big win if for no other reason than it keeps them undefeated in conference and on pace for a 20 win season, while playing a good non-conference schedule.
Looking back at your old posts its pretty obvious that you have an axe to grind with Baruch. Envy is a tricky emotion.   

Congratulations to John Jay for a memorable season and to Richard Jean Baptiste on being named 2nd team all american by the NABC. Its good to see a shake up in the balance of power in the conference.
Does anyone know who the last CUNY all american was?

Billy40 - I think you're missing the point. It makes sense that Brooklyn College would have had an easier time recruiting when it could offer scholarships (which included free housing and stipends for food) back in the day when they were division 1. Also ,the condition of the gym back then would not be nearly as big a deal as it is now so many years later, based on the following.
In the passing years since the program was division 1 many of the same schools that Brooklyn would eventually be competing against at the division 3 level built new facilities. It is a major trend in overall recruitment of students (not just athletes) to showcase the outstanding athletic and recreational opportunities afforded by the college. For exammple, in '92 few smaller schools had state of the art facilities for teams let alone rock climbing walls and par 3 golf courses for the general student populations.
So now that Brooklyn cannot offer scholarships, and so many of tis division 3 rivals have state of the art facilities, it has to find a different way to compete. That means highlighting the strong points of both the college overall, and the basketball program specifically. In this context, it helps level the playing field if they at least have a real facility. Add in the possibility of geting a student athlete from outside the immediate area by offerring a dorm room and it actually gives them a chance to get a kid who otherwise never would have looked seriously at Brooklyn. Even assuming that you had accurate information as to why the program was shut down over 15 years ago, that is completely irrelevant to Danny's post.

Quote from: NYBB on February 21, 2008, 01:44:02 AM
it's a shame that Hunter didn't have Lance Evans or Joe DeLuca because i think with a full strength squad, they could have done something whereas I do not think York can.

Why didn't Hunter have DeLuca or Evans? What happened?

Hunter v. York - if Hunter is clicking offensively and can create a pace to have the game in the 80 point range it will be very hard for York to prevail. If York can play at their pace - in the mid 60s - Hunter will have a hard time. This is one of those classic battles to see which team can impose their style on the other. Hate to break out the cliches but this one will go to the tougher team, physically and mentally. I can't call this one. Either Hunter wins a fairly high scoring affair smething like 82 - 68 or York wins a closer low scoring game (72-67).
City Tech v. John Jay - I saw City Tech dismantle a pretty good Brooklyn college team on saturday. Hall completely controlled the game and everyone else played very well. I don't think you can expect #4 to go off for 30 something again but they definitely showed me something. They appeared poised, well coached and won most of the "hustle plays". John Jay plays much better defense than Brooklyn and I don't think Hall will get into the lane as much as he did on saturday which will limit the open 3s and layups for the big guys. I think John Jay pulls this one off.

Quote from: NYBB on February 12, 2008, 03:26:47 PM
I still don't see how Hunter loses so often...oh well.  we'll see what happens in the playoff

Yeah, I am a little suprised that they have struggled as well. Someone pointed out in an earlier post, no matter how good a player is, its tough to come in and completely mesh mid-way through the season, and as Rhodes pointed out they seem to be struggling with depth a little bit and the palyer turnover can be distracting.
The other thing that stands out is the defense. They are near the bottom of the conference in points allowed (nearly 80 per game), fgp against, 3 point fgp against, and i think it was something like a negative 5 or 6 rebounding margin per game. That makes it tough on the offense as there is always pressure to outscore the opponent. Come playoff time it seems like the teams with consistently strong defenses like York are in a better position to win 3 games in a row. They have a bigger margin for error and can afford a bad shooting night when the offense isn't clicking.
All that said, if Hunter gets hot and stays hot they will be a really tough out in the conference tournament. I don't think anybody is really looking forward to facing them.
Tonight's game v. Stevens could be a good indicator of their frame of mind. I hope to catch it..

Quote from: xalva66 on February 08, 2008, 10:53:24 AM
If Hunter shoots 11-17 then its a completely different game but those are free opportunities that a team has to make. Shatz hit a big shot down the stretch and Hunter could not make anything down the stretch and most importantly, Baruch hit their free throws.

It is very difficult to beat a team like Baruch twice in one season. The atmostphere was extremely hostile, in particular behind the Hunter bench where fans were literally on top of the team during their timeouts. At one point during a timeout, 4 girls (I guess from the step club) were doing a dance right on the bench where the coach stands during the game. They didnt leave until after the ball was inbounded. Near the end of the game, a Baruch fan walked across the court towards the Hunter bench while Baruch was shooting Free Throws down the other end. Apparently he was going to sit behind the bench with the other fans.

At the conclusion of both games, the court became filled with Baruch fans like they just won the CUNY championship.

This is no excuse for the lose. Baruch played better down the stretch, plain and simple. But it is very surprising (or at least to me) that nothing was done about it.

Oh come on George, that's like saying if the Knicks hadn't made the deal for Marbury a few years ago they'd be the best team in the east. Quite often teams miss a lot of free throws in close games because it a close game and they get tight. Happens all the time. And the offical book has Hunter shooting 5 for 16. You could just as easily say it would have been a totally differnt game if Hunter shot 5 for 25 from the 3 point line (instead of 10 for 25).
I thought that the best point guard in D3 hoops would be able to take over these close games, whether on the road at a "hostile" environment or on the friendly confines of his home court. Especially if he was able to deal with road games in the big 10 a few years ago (as one of the posters astutely pointed out a while back). Instead he missed a critical free throw down the stretch (this is not to diminish his game - he is a fine player and I think we are all happy to see him on the court again after what he went through).
And are you kidding me about the "hostile" nature of the crowd. Last night was nothing compared to many of the snake pits that so many d1 d2 and d3 teams play in. Have you been to any NJAC games lately? I have seen D1 teams take all of their huddles to stools on the free throw line to get away from the crowd and the noise. I guess it would be better to play all of the games in those empty gyms that CUNY usually gets. Most good teams and solid players relish opportunites like Hunter had last night. It was a great atmosphere for college hoops.
The bottom line is 2 good teams. one executed and handled the presure the other didn't. The shoe could very well be on the other foot in the play-offs... as long as the crowd isn't too big and loud.