Quote from: badgerwarhawk on March 08, 2008, 11:01:33 AM

Quote from: LCfan on March 08, 2008, 01:22:55 AM

Quote from: uww4ever on March 07, 2008, 11:38:27 PM


kolinske ends his career w/ a turnover and a "no hands up" on that three pointer by kyle something or other. 

Great game by the Duhawks.  UWW4ever, where you at the game.  First off, Kyle White is his name and he owned every big man Whitewater had. And the 3 to win the game was with a hand in his face (actually probably touched White's hand cause he knocked him down after the shot, that is how close he was)  Very physical game but other than Goodwin shooting 7-14 from the three Whitewater didnt have much else.  I think I said Loras by 5 but I will take 71-70.  Great win for the IIAC. 

Huh, what shot were you watching?  I'm not taking anything away from the shot or the player.  And I'm not taking anything away from Billy.  Nobody else could defend him either.  But he got a good look.  It was exceptional as it was there's no need to exaggerate.

Badger, while I dont think I was exaggerating that photo is not a great angle and was there no contact and did White not end up on the floor?? I was level to the shot and right at the 3pt line so I am just saying what I saw.  As we all know Sly and Cruise are not over 6'0 but you wouldnt know that from their films!

As a former CCIW graduate (IWU) I love to see the conference do well but tonight I cant root for them as I have a brother at Loras.  Should be a great game.  Raymond and Wiele are great players as I have seen them three time this year.  I dont think  you can say Raymond was held in check the first meeting (27 pts/ 7asst/ 8 rbs).  Now it was on 10-28 from the field that is a lot of shots to get 27 pts. 

Loras does have the size and the strength (weight) at guard to frustrate Raymond (not saying he wont get his points).  Wheaton would be in trouble if Wiele has to guard White and gets in foul trouble because after him and Carwell or Denham there is no size.  Should be a great game and a great rematch.  Loras wins by 5, 82-77.

As has been the case for the history of the IIAC (maybe, rightfully so) no one thought they should get two teams in and what happens they both win.  Great job by Loras and BV.  KW was the best player on the court and it is great that the WIAC got a taste of humble pie.  I think I predicted 77-74 Loras but I will take 71-70!!! 

Go Duhawks....I will be there tomorrow in rare form

Good to see I got more minus karma for no reason.  Maybe if I said Loras played their best game and UWW played their worst game I would get some plus Karma cause that is obviously what happened (Loras is so lucky).

Oh I actually said 77-74 Loras.  My BAD!!

Quote from: duhawk on March 08, 2008, 12:48:52 AM


Did anyone have the image of KW in the huddle telling Gorton, "I'll make it" and then burying a 3pt from the top of the key?  It's actually kind of nice to hear the reactions of other fans who aren't used to seeing KW play on regular basis.

Great game.  White was unbelievable.  Actually, Kyle was told by Gorton to set his feet and make the shot.  I think there were a few other words in there but you get the idea.  And he did exactly that.  WOW. 

On to Wheaton.  We will need some guys to step up tomorrow.  Lets Go Duhawks. 

Quote from: uww4ever on March 07, 2008, 11:38:27 PM


kolinske ends his career w/ a turnover and a "no hands up" on that three pointer by kyle something or other. 

Great game by the Duhawks.  UWW4ever, where you at the game.  First off, Kyle White is his name and he owned every big man Whitewater had.  And the 3 to win the game was with a hand in his face (actually probably touched White's hand cause he knocked him down after the shot, that is how close he was)  Very physical game but other than Goodwin shooting 7-14 from the three Whitewater didnt have much else.  I think I said Loras by 5 but I will take 71-70.  Great win for the IIAC. 

Quote from: Mr. Downtown on March 05, 2008, 11:25:58 AM
FYI don't bring the whole "Well I was a college athlete, so I know more about college sports then you", and you won't lose Karma.

In all honesty, an athlete or not, and I have discussed with them, factors very little when it comes to sports knowledge. I would hope, seriously hope, that any Oshkosh athlete knew more about the team's game plan then a broadcaster.

What I do know, is that often times in D-III, that athletes have no idea what the other team is like, who is good, who is not. Then they get blown away. Scouting often times is borderline bad in D-III, and it's funny, cause it often seems like a fan or the media does know ahead of time what could happen, relay that to a coach and player. One ear and out the other, and walla, you lose by 20.

So yes, you may know more about what goes in the locker-room, practice, and on the floor. However, you don't know more about the WIAC, and the players/teams that associate with the conference. Their are many fans and broadcasters on this board that have followed the conference for many years.

Whitewater is a National Championship school in many sports in D-III. The fans expect greatness come tournament time, and so do the players. Loras may need to play their best game of the season to pull off the upset.

I never said nor tried to imply that I knew more, Mr. Downton, seems like you guys are over sensitive.  What I did say that is having played (and recently) should (not always the case) give you a better perspective to talk about and have insight more than someone who hasnt played or played 10+ years ago.  I wasnt talking about UWW or Loras simply about basketball in general and I definately wasnt talking about the WIACC (how could I)......not sure where you are going with the whole people followed the WIACC for a long time. 

And a response to your National Championship Program.  Loras has been to the Tourney the same amount of times as UWW in the last 10 years.  Seems like the 80's and 90's were great decades for UWW with two championships in the 80's. 

And Loras fans expect a crappy team and the players expect to lose come tournament time.  UWW might have to play its worse game for Loras to upset them. 

I just hope it is a decent game as I am driving 4 hours to see it.  Good luck to both teams.

Go Duhawks

Thanks Drake

If I say UWW will win by 20 and it wont even be a game do you think anyone on the WIAC board will give me + karma, since disagreeing seems to make them all mad.

Go Duhawks

Just Bill

The posting began talking about 3pt%.  I agree with you that a DIII player couldnt do that but like I said 4 ft is a very big difference.  And I was talking about relative talent so of course a DIII player couldnt do that in the NBA.  Guess you were reading how you wanted it to sound. 

Quote from: Nites on March 05, 2008, 10:13:07 AM

Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 05, 2008, 03:23:39 AM

Quote from: LCfan on March 05, 2008, 02:25:46 AM
Sager, while I hate to disagree with a fellow CCIW; shooting is shooting, either you can or you can't.  Having played competitive bball, I think that shooting is one stat that is fairly reliable across the board (i know you are a stat man so I dont have any regressions to the mean or anything like that, just my opinion from playing).

I strenuously disagree. Shooting is not the same irrespective of the opponent. Some opponents are quicker than others, and are thus harder to shake in order to get yourself an open look. Some are smarter than others and know which hand you favor, or what move you favor. Some have both the quicks and the smarts, and are adept at recovering when the defense rotates. Some have enough size to impede your shots, whereas you may be used to shooting over the top of a smaller team. Some are more physical than others, and know how much they can harrass you and get away with it.

Shooting is just like every other component of basketball, in that your success at it is contingent upon what sort of an opponent you have.

Apparently, if you shoot 41% in D-III, you can shoot 41% in the NBA.  Shooting is shooting.   

Quote from: Nites on March 05, 2008, 10:13:07 AM

Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 05, 2008, 03:23:39 AM

Quote from: LCfan on March 05, 2008, 02:25:46 AM
Sager, while I hate to disagree with a fellow CCIW; shooting is shooting, either you can or you can't.  Having played competitive bball, I think that shooting is one stat that is fairly reliable across the board (i know you are a stat man so I dont have any regressions to the mean or anything like that, just my opinion from playing).

I strenuously disagree. Shooting is not the same irrespective of the opponent. Some opponents are quicker than others, and are thus harder to shake in order to get yourself an open look. Some are smarter than others and know which hand you favor, or what move you favor. Some have both the quicks and the smarts, and are adept at recovering when the defense rotates. Some have enough size to impede your shots, whereas you may be used to shooting over the top of a smaller team. Some are more physical than others, and know how much they can harrass you and get away with it.

Shooting is just like every other component of basketball, in that your success at it is contingent upon what sort of an opponent you have.

Apparently, if you shoot 41% in D-III, you can shoot 41% in the NBA.  Shooting is shooting.   

Well minus the fact that it is about 4 feet deeper I would say all things being relative, yes

Apparently, if you shoot 41% in D-III, you can shoot 41% in the NBA.  Shooting is shooting (plus the extra 4 feet at the NBA level).  And all things are relative.

Thanks Badger.

While I am a Loras fan, having seen BV a handfull of times (streaming video is great and every DIII school should have it) I would say they are at their best when they take their time.  That being said I do think that they have the guards to play an up and down game (just think it would be in their interest to pound it inside.. should make some open looks for Wagner and Co.).  Should be a great game.  Is it Fri. yet?  Can anyone give any info on Whitewater?

I wasn't trying to compare IQ's at all.  I have read Mr. Sager's posts on the CCIW board for the last 6 years.  I was just trying to say that playing experience, especially recently should add to the posters comment.  If you want to take it any other way that is completely your call.