It feels like basketball season again.  Looking forward to another great season in ASC and keeping up with the teams here on D3 hoops!

Good luck to the UTD men tonight!

Or you could say the ASC's 2 best most consistent teams for the season got beat in a 3 day tourney and didn't even get into the tourney because of one game.  Call me stupid but when neither your East or West Champion don't even get a shot something is wrong with the system!!!  IMO 

Ok my venting day is over   Go get them HPU and MC!!!!

Quote from: hsusid on March 02, 2009, 10:41:38 PM

Quote from: SabineBBall on March 02, 2009, 10:14:11 PM
If 2 or 3 game swing over a 26 game schedule in OWP was the determining factor....that is not they way they say it will be.  On another thread if OWP is close they move on to other criteria.  All other primary criteria favor UTD.  So if you are going to argue criteria then argue criteria not "what you think they should do".  That makes you no better than the committee!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Good luck to MC and HPU.  I hope you play great for the conference!!

Absolutely 2 or 3 games swing the OWP. If HSU doesn't play Sul Ross and Schreiner four times our OWP is a lot higher. The cold hard truth about getting into the NCAA Tournament, and I think that some of the others that have been here a while agree, is  --- DON'T LOSE GAMES TO INFERIOR TEAMS.

Sorry you had to lose to our UTD inferior team!!  Next year try to beat the weak teams from the east and you might get in!!!!  Since everyone knows the West plays a better brand of basketball!!!!

I just listened to the commitee chair on audio.  When asked about UTD and MC all she said was MC was slightly ahead in final regional ranking.  What a cop out.  Sounds like she just side stepped the answer completely.  Why have them on if they will not give real answers?  Wasted 15 minutes for nothing lol.  Only the NCAA at all levels gets away with this kind of stuff!!  Thanks for nothing committee chair 

I wasn't splitting hairs I was going by the posted numbers but lets look at it another way.  Out of conference MC didn't play a team with a winning record. UTD had an overtime loss to St Benedicts who won their conference.  No need to add conference opponents they played the same ones by my math MC out of conference and conf tourney OWP was 1 game over .500.  UTD OWP was 1 game under .500.  A statistical dead heat.   Add in common in region opponents MC had one additional loss 4 to 3.  Regional record against seeded opponents MC 1-3 UTD 2-1 (2-2 if you count a seeded team out of region that counted as a regional game) It is nothing personal against the HSU rep (unless they at any time uttered the words I THINK MC is better and used that as a determining factor).  If 2 or 3 game swing over a 26 game schedule in OWP was the determining factor....that is not they way they say it will be.  On another thread if OWP is close they move on to other criteria.  All other primary criteria favor UTD.  So if you are going to argue criteria then argue criteria not "what you think they should do".  That makes you no better than the committee!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Good luck to MC and HPU.  I hope you play great for the conference!!

Quote from: hsusid on March 02, 2009, 04:59:25 PM

Quote from: SabineBBall on March 02, 2009, 02:30:14 PM
I am sure we can thank our HSU rep on the committee---I doubt UTD forgets that! 

You can say that all you want, the numbers back up MC over UTD and the last thing UTD gave the committee to look at was a spanking by a 13-12 team in its last game and a loss to a 9-16 team two games before that. MC had no bad losses (all four were to teams with 21 or more wins) and UTD had TWO of them in their final three games.

Don't call out someone that spent a lot of time on that committee, including Sunday morning before her team's championship game. The people that are on those committees take their job seriously, and take way too much flak from the uninformed. I am surprised anyone actually agrees to do it anymore.

UTD not getting into the tournament was about strictly the numbers and results and not an HSU conspiracy to bring down UTD. Don't you think if the coach had that much pull her team would have snuck in the back door.

Also BTW anytime a organization refuses to release final data on something like this as the NCAA has refused to do there is a problem!!!!

Quote from: hsusid on March 02, 2009, 04:59:25 PM

Quote from: SabineBBall on March 02, 2009, 02:30:14 PM
I am sure we can thank our HSU rep on the committee---I doubt UTD forgets that! 

You can say that all you want, the numbers back up MC over UTD and the last thing UTD gave the committee to look at was a spanking by a 13-12 team in its last game and a loss to a 9-16 team two games before that. MC had no bad losses (all four were to teams with 21 or more wins) and UTD had TWO of them in their final three games.

Don't call out someone that spent a lot of time on that committee, including Sunday morning before her team's championship game. The people that are on those committees take their job seriously, and take way too much flak from the uninformed. I am surprised anyone actually agrees to do it anymore.

UTD not getting into the tournament was about strictly the numbers and results and not an HSU conspiracy to bring down UTD. Don't you think if the coach had that much pull her team would have snuck in the back door.

#'s back up?  Primary criteria: Against regional seeded opponents UTD 2-1.  MC 1-3.  One game on OWP after last regional rankings couldn't have made that much difference.  As it is the OWP difference of .0035 is not even worth discussing.  The rest of your jibberish doesn't appear anywhere in the criteria!  If your rep went off script as you speak then they were wrong!!

Maybe someone would breakdown the numbers but everything I see had UTD ahead of MC.  And so did the the NCAA regionals rankings 5 days ago.  Add in HPU who had to move into the regional rankings and its no contest.  I am sure we can thank our HSU rep on the committee---I doubt UTD forgets that!  UTD returns their entire team for next year and just got a little more motivation!!! 

Congrats to MC!  Glad you got in but the process is bogus.  No way UTD shouldn't have gotten in based on numbers they released all year.  Something is really really wrong here!!!!!  It appears they got in because they could be in a pod close to them with minimal travel.  Something stinks here!!!!

Quote from: ex-jacket on March 01, 2009, 11:30:26 PM

Quote from: SabineBBall on March 01, 2009, 07:36:19 PM

Quote from: JACKET84 on March 01, 2009, 06:54:52 PM
  You have to win on the road this time of year.  HPU has won 3 conference championships in a row now, and 2 of the 3 were on the road (Tyler & Abilene).

This was a great tourney.  There were several teams, with a break here and there, that could have won the tourney.  Great balance, but the West is still the best.

But you got to play Hope on your home floor last year in the 2nd round.  That was a great advantage.  If you had had to play at Hope instead?  Please at least admit that was a big advantage.  UTD is a young team and just learning to win especially on the road.  UTD has won one game EVER on McMurry floor. Not making excuses for any loss just explaining the road differences.   HPU may get the chance to prove they can win on UTD's home floor from the projections I am seeing.  If that happens I hope you don't change your tune lol.  As for the poster saying basically the conference tournament is all that matter.  I guess we can just throw out the whole 22 previous games in conference because according to you they don't matter at all!!!!!!!!!!!

You get to host a post season tournament when you are undefeated and have earned the respect of the NCAA.  That's what HPU has done for not just last season but the previous seasons as well.

And by the way HPU won the National Championship on Hope's home floor!!!

That should be the way it is but it appears the NCAA is more concerned with money than who deserves to host rounds.  Wasn't Hope undefeated also?  I guess their record and continual success didn't get them the same respect lol.  Bad argument!!  Almost sounds like a few don't want to face UTD at UTD.  hmmmm

I really feel for MC too.  They did everything right this season but their losses seem to have been to just the wrong teams.  Maybe a projection is wrong somewhere and they sneak in for the 3rd ASC team.  We can all hope!!!

Quote from: dballa on March 01, 2009, 10:27:08 PM
I just received some information that may be useful to some people around here.  As of two weeks ago which was the deadline, UTD didn't apply with the NCAA to host a national tournament game.  If that's the case we won't have to worry about playing at UTD.  Maybe someone inside UTD's athletic administration can shed a little light on that and correct me if that's been changed and they did apply.

That could make it a little sticky in who actually does get in.  UTD might actually have to drive to the "Mausoleum"

Word I got was UTD had rented out their gym for that weekend a long time ago.  Not the brightest thing to do but.....who knows 

Quote from: golfniz1 on March 01, 2009, 10:06:53 PM
SabineBBall one day when, as you say, UTD learns to win whether it be a 1 ,2,3,or 6 point win at tournament time a win is a win and every win is critical when the selections are being made for the dance.  UTD had a great season, but towards the end of the season they just did not have the same bounce as they did the first 2 months and to be considered as a west beater especially in the conference tourney they have to maintain a high level of play thru out the whole season. Do you honestly believe that UTD deserves to host games over HPU since UTD lost their first round game to a 4th seed and HPU won the tournament beating a 2, 1, and 2 seed?  Oh by the way I would be willing to bet HPU would accept your daughter with open arms.

I can honestly say I don't necessarily agree with the D3 selection process (why in the world would you not count all games against d3 teams???).  Bottom line is HPU was a 3rd seed with 5 in region losses and conference losses.  If they follow the criteria as stated by them.  UTD will be higher in the regional rankings than HPU and beat HPU.  If you take the entire season UTD is higher rated!  Bottom line until the tournament UTD sweep the west including 3 of 4 of them on the road.  I know it really bugs the west but you will have to deal with a East team making the NCAA tourney (I hope lol)