Quote from: Gregory Sager on April 09, 2009, 11:14:10 AM

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on April 08, 2009, 06:32:05 PM
The 'bottom line' difference between publics and privates is not nearly as large as the list prices would suggest.  But I'm sure many students (and more relevantly, their parents) can't make it past the initial 'sticker shock'.  And (while I haven't heard of it yet) it wouldn't surprise me if less 'well-endowed' privates had to cut back on financial aid, thus expanding the gap.

The bottom-line difference is smaller than list prices suggest, as Chuck said, but that bottom-line difference does not include the long-term debt incurred by students who opt for a private-school education and thus have to take out bank loans to pay for it. And since the long-term prospects for the economy are not looking much better than the short-term prospects, I think that the more astute families of college-bound students will be more chary of taking on long-term debt in order to finance a college education.

I actually thought chary was a misspelling and had to go to dictionary.com to find out there is a definition for it...well done. An advantage for private colleges - at least the one I attended - is the financial plan is generally guaranteed  for the four years after a comprehensive review of what the family may or may not be able to contribute and is rather affordable for most, not all....it may be that way at public schools now as well, not sure...the APRs are usually low,  3 - 4 % and tax deductible $ for $ so actually if you consider the potential return, it's a great investment. There's incentive to complete in four years.

At least the announcers did their research..."Wow, that Gould is quite a muscular guy...real wide body...probably would be a good football player. Jake checked the CU football roster and he wasn't listed this year...probably would be quite a linebacker or something."

Kroeger had his way in the first half...everything was bottom of the net...was really looking forward to a Kroeger/Ladwig match up in this tournament about a month ago.

LU 48 - 38

At least the interview with golfer David Toms went well

Can someone please turn DOWN the other announcer's microphone to make the broadcast tolerable?

Quote from: scottie on February 09, 2009, 06:17:19 PM

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Quote from: titan2000 on February 09, 2009, 03:09:14 PM
Lawrence University connections help prop up the WIAC again. 

Congrats to the Kroeger family and the Shaw family for being such good people and helping DJ when he needed it.   

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/statecolleges/39293682.html

I think the Oshkosh coach needs to take a remedial social science and public relations class.  Wow, what does the administration think of his comments? 

Nice find, t2k.  Hopefully, the Oshkosh coach's comments were drastically taken out of context., but they seem bizarrely insensitive.

Too bad about those comments; "Dolt" is the word that comes to mind.  Cheers to Kroeger.

Since there wasn't a vulgarity used, it has to qualify as one of the nicest things he has ever said about a player.

Quote from: fightintitan2006 on January 10, 2009, 04:40:48 PM
No One In Particular,

What in the HELL are you talking about. I don't understand what your argument is and you have failed to comprehend my original post.

I didn't say Kroeger and Gillespie were better than Ladwig and Drury, only that they contributed more during their freshmen seasons. I added that Kroeger and Gillespie were good enough to play anywhere to show that they would have been quality players wherever they had played and thus that their freshman stats were not the result of them being the best players on absolutely terrible teams.

I also dont understand how Drury got brought into this conversation.

YOU said neither Drury nor Ladwig had an impact their freshmen seasons. What the HELL are YOU talking about?

my point exactly

Quote from: fightintitan2006 on January 10, 2009, 03:09:58 PM
Thanks for pointing that out gang, I was thinking Long had averaged around 15 a game as a freshman and was clearly wrong about him being an impact player.

QuoteDrury and Ladwig could play for anyone in the country if Kroeger and Gillespie could.

My point exactly...I think the Carroll duo may be the two best players in the conference, but neither had an impact as a freshman.

## Player              GP-GS  Min--Avg  FG-FGA   Pct 3FG-FGA   Pct  FT-FTA   Pct  Off Def  Tot  Avg  PF FO   
04 Nathan Drury....25-2   496 19.8  77-148  .520  35-77   .455  29-35   .829   17  50   67  2.7  44  1 

A  TO Blk Stl  Pts      Avg
57  48   3  24  218  8.7

Arguably WAY better stats than Long on an outstanding team that took Lawrence to the end. No impact as far as I can see.

## Player              GP-GS  Min--Avg  FG-FGA   Pct 3FG-FGA   Pct  FT-FTA   Pct  Off Def  Tot  Avg  PF FO   
21 Wes Ladwig......... 23-0   227  9.9  18-39   .462   6-14   .429  10-14   .714    3  16   19  0.8  20  0 

A  TO Blk Stl  Pts      Avg
22  13   3   8   52  2.3

Solid freshman-year impact playing behind Trevor Stratton, A. Ligocki and B. Colomy on a loaded perimeter on an NCAA tourney qualifying team. Who was Long playing behind?

or out of the country...

http://www.eurobasket.com/team.asp?Cntry=GER&Team=1645

Quote from: fightintitan2006 on January 09, 2009, 09:32:35 PM

The only real freshmen difference makers over the past few years have been Grinnell's three amigos, Kroeger and Gillespie, all of whom could play for any program in the country.

Bobby Long - assuming that's the third amigo - wasn't much of a factor as a freshman. Don't have the stats but he wasn't nearly as much of a difference maker as the other two. Drury and Ladwig could play for anyone in the country if Kroeger and Gillespie could.

Quote from: titan2000 on January 09, 2009, 10:29:57 PM
I don't think Gillespie is even close to the best player in Ripon in the last 5 years.   I think Tommy Becker and Schmitting were bigger difference makers for Ripon than Scott will be.

Scott Landisch...best player in recent Ripon history.

By the way, sorry to hear about that new coach. Hope he's okay.

"MIT assistant gets shot at Caltech..."

Perhaps you're right. Allow me to return the compliment by saying what a disgusting post.

Uhh, explain what is disgusting about this:

Ladwig:  174-344  .506 FG/FGA  153-182  .841 FT/FTA
Kroeger  131-237  .553 FG/FGA  123-145  .848 FT/FTA