Saw this today - seems relevant to past discussion re: Oberlin facilities. Raising almost 3/4 of a million dollars at a HS level seems pretty impressive, though I don't know enough about fundraising to compare with anything.

http://www.goyeo.com/news/2013/3/22/HC_0322131612.aspx

Thoughts? Might as well get an Oberlin opinion while we've got one!

Quote from: wally_wabash on March 04, 2013, 11:48:24 AM

So I think the answer you're after is both.  It may be that Barnes isn't all football, all the time.  That I can't say for sure.  I think we're in agreement that Wooster's offensive scheme in recent seasons has not been particularly challenging for average or better defenses to get a hold of, which is on Schmitz.  Certainly, if the guy's heart isn't in it then you've got a problem, particularly at quarterback.  But again, I don't think he has been done any favors by the scheme he has been given to operate.

Just saw this. Reminded me of the times when DK or Bubba Lang would call out our plays as we called audibles. That was always a great feeling 

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Quote from: wally_wabash on February 12, 2013, 09:04:20 PM
I don't know.  Holter was fine.  You guys know I think Richard Barnes is outstanding.  I think Schmitz had a problem developing an offense around a quarterback.  He didn't do a great job of putting his guys in a position to be all that successful.

Well put. Schmitz was a pretty good QB coach, IMO. And while we don't need to get back into it, I think Barnes' problems were created by his work ethic and locker room demeanor, not because of his coaching. Hopefully he can get something good going at ONU.

FightinScot--are you saying Barnes' problems were caused by Barnes' work ethic and locker room demeanor or Schmitz's work ethic and locker room demeanor?  And are you saying that Barnes' problems were not coaching related?  Just not clear on who you are saying created the problems, Barnes or Schmitz.
Will be interesting to see how the qb situation plays out this fall at Wooster.

I don't think there's one person you could point the finger at. I know that Barnes skipped out on his first two offseason workouts, almost in their entirety, based on what the rest of the team viewed as sham injuries or sickness. Seemed like he conveniently got hurt right before offseason workouts started, then made sure he rehabbed till the last minute. Clearly, I wasn't there, so I don't know to what extent this is perception or reality. Regardless, the overwhelming perception in the locker room was that the kid didn't buy in. The team was solidly behind Frongillo - he was a captain this past year, not Barnes. From what I've seen and heard, it was mainly because of the offseason workouts. I'd imagine it would be difficult to listen to someone who's been appointed a leader who didn't earn it. 

In one way or another, that comes back on coaching. Someone should have called him out (players, IMO) and gotten him in line. But the coaching staff shouldn't have rewarded the behavior, and especially when he wasn't performing. If there's anything that reflects on Schmitz, its that he had Barnes on too long of a leash and Frong on too short of one. Also, what we've debated over and over here, is that many people didn't agree with the playcalling. However, I was at the Kenyon game, and the 3rd string freshman QB was more impressive in the passing game than Barnes was fromt he times I saw him.

The QB situation will be interesting this coming year. Especially with Frongillo hanging up his pads (concussions). Hopefully the new staff can create a competition and get Barnes to play. There's no denying that he's a gifted athlete, and could flourish if he can improve his decision-making and passing ability.

Quote from: wally_wabash on February 12, 2013, 09:04:20 PM
I don't know.  Holter was fine.  You guys know I think Richard Barnes is outstanding.  I think Schmitz had a problem developing an offense around a quarterback.  He didn't do a great job of putting his guys in a position to be all that successful.

Well put. Schmitz was a pretty good QB coach, IMO. And while we don't need to get back into it, I think Barnes' problems were created by his work ethic and locker room demeanor, not because of his coaching. Hopefully he can get something good going at ONU.

The search committee is making a recommendation to the president today. Should have a decision soon... hopefully.

Looks like I need new sources!   

Heard they were Seth Duerr, Nick Hajjar, Regis Scafe, and Brian Wright from FAU. Am I right, Fantastic50?

I think what everyone's trying to get by saying that Wooster never "upsets" teams is speaking more to where we were just a few years ago. Obviously, the biggest issue is the team turned from a championship contender to a .500 team, to worse this past year - which is why Schmitz was let go.

However, what I think seinfeld and the reporters are trying to get at is that even when Wooster was one of the top teams in the conference, is that Schmitz's teams never "upset" a team to push for the conference championship. Look no further than the Wabash game in 2008 - Wooster's most recent time contending for a championship. Good team, but we never made it over that hump to be considered a truly elite team in the NCAC. Wooster, at its best during Schmitz's tenure (save the Sutton years) was the third of the 3 W's. Good, but never truly challenging Wabash or Witt for a ring. So, while the team was successful, it never made the jump to be an elite NCAC team.

Hopefully the new coach can put us back in that direction.

Quote from: owubishops on November 27, 2012, 08:21:18 PM
Making a change at Wooster won't result in an immediate change in their record. As much as everybody downs OWU's previous coach, the team was stacked with talented, skilled players with game experience. Wooster lacks the talent and it would take two good recruiting classes to turn things around. The word I got was that the aid package they used to get over other NCAC schools has left the building.
(OWU was still able to attain all-conference players with the same disadvantages over the past few years.)

Good point there. Financial aid is way down at Wooster - and it typically declined every year you were in school. Don't know if its common practice, but it did consistently push a good number of guys away each year.

Quote from: Wfaf123 on November 12, 2012, 06:03:26 PM
Hi all,

I've been trying to activate my account all season, hence just arriving to post now. I've seen a lot posted about such an amazing year in the NCAC. Since it looks like everyone covered everything I wanted to post, could we start talking about all-Conference teams? My son was the punter at Wabash a number of years ago, so I feel like a Special Teams guru. I saw someone post a mock all-conference team that had Wooster's Obery over Wabash's Sobleski.Maybe it comes with the bias of having a son who went there, but Sobleski finished with a higher punt average and a better net punt average, so how could he lose? Then, Simon from DPU in . I agree with the earlier call that Mckenzie from OWU should be the first team hands down. However, I have a feeling that they might give it to Williams from Witt. He was 8-10 on the season and more accurate on PATs. I do want to give McDougal from Wabash a shot for second team though (honorable mention). (again probably bias) Wabash did the best on KO coverage and most touchbacks. It was painful to watch missed fg and xp but maybe that injury kept him from full strength longer than we know. (Btw does anyone know what happened to Smith in the Bell Game, it looked like McDougal sprinted his fastest 40 just to kick the fg) I think this has been one of the strongest seasons I have seen in the NCAC for specialists in awhile. This is just my opinion, obviously. My son told me to post on here cause he was tired of hearing me rant.  Good season NCAC. Here's to an even better one next year!

I have obvious bias for Wooster's punter, but he has a few things going for him nonetheless. Setting a school record for long punt of 77 yards, being a 3x AC pick, and while his punting average was lower, his average was skewed by the number of "coffin corner" situations he was in. I'm far from a "guru" though.

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Combined record of teams Wooster has beaten in 2012: 0-16

Let that roll around in the mentals for a little bit.

Certainly makes me doubt they can beat Kenyon. Almost have to wonder if they will follow OWU's example and make a change at the end of this season. After 4 years of .500 or worse, you have to think that's on the table, right?

That will never happen. He will not be replaced unless he is ready to move on or retire.
"In Like Flint".

Found it!  It wasn't that hard since nike is one of the few Woo posters recently.

But I agree Bishop, it's not like we're talking about hoops or baseball where those guys are bulletproof thanks to decades of excellence.  Not the case in football.

I don't know whether or not this is true, but the rumor always was that Schmitz's wife is the general counsel for the school. In any event, the consensus seems to be that there should be a change, but there won't be. He's pretty well entrenched and the administration is too busy caring about basketball to do anything. Very disappointing season, again, for the Scots.

http://www.battlingbishops.com/news/2011/12/12/FB_1212110713.aspx


Came across my FB feed. I'm guessing this will come as good news to some OWU fans out there.

Nike-

I haven't had the chance to see Witt this year, so I'm just going on what I've heard on here and seen from Woo. That being said, it would be a big upset if Wooster leaves Springfield with a win tomorrow. Witt is a different team at home, and unless they've absolutely packed it in after the loss to Bash, I don't think Wooster has the depth or offensive firepower to win it. It could be a close game if they can run the ball on Witt, but their lack of depth will make it tough to win it. I hope they make me eat my words. Who knows, if the D can keep the score low, they might steal it. Would be great for recruiting to get some momentum into next year with a win.

First, congratulations to Wabash for wrapping up another NCAC title. Great program, they play the game it's meant to be played. Clearly the class of the league, once again.

Anyways, not much to say about Wooster's win against Kenyon, except for the fact that Robert Flagg reached a career milestone of 2,000 yards rushing and 1,000 yards receiving  - first player in Fighting Scot history to do so. Its been a rough season at times for both Flagg and the Scots, but it is quite an accomplishment for him.

Hopefully they used the last two weeks to build some momemtum and finish the season with a strong showing against Witt. Go Scots!

Nike-

I'm the one that made the infamous "Barnes to WR" statement that you're talking about. I think this conversation has been beaten to death on this board, so I'll try keep it short. I'm not going to back off my statement, but its more of a recognition of Wooster's depth at QB and lack at other spots. Lots of guys change positions at this level, and are quite successful after a change. In fact, as it stands now, we have a converted QB (Wiedrick) and converted RB (McIntyre) as our top 2 receivers, and I believe they're both seniors. First look at who we have coming back next year shows Rice and Obery as the top two receivers... not a lot of depth there (although one of those two comes from fantastic bloodlines!  )

Obviously they will battle it out, and Barnes may well win the job back. He was, after all, very effective last year. Just saying, a player with his athleticism could be useful at other positions of need, if Frongillo proves to be a good player and earns it. Wooster needs a lot of guys, at a lot of positions, to make the NCAC a "3 W's" league again instead of just 2, as its been recently.

Lass has not been seen on this board in a while, we miss her insight. Any opinions on Witt? Have not heard much about them, although I haven't been looking too hard. The team shouldn't look past Kenyon, but we can! Am a Wabash fan this week, anybody but Witt!