Quote from: BuckeyeFvr on November 17, 2008, 10:47:11 PM

Quote from: The White Silly on November 17, 2008, 04:01:57 PM
MVP looks to be kind of a toss up...maybe Winford?...Carletons  QB?

I'm thinking either Winford...even though his first half of the season was significantly better than his second half...OR...Drew Ziller from Carleton. The guy had a hell of a season. D3 team of the week 3 times.

Winford may be the best athlete...

But the MVP has to go to Henfling (Carleton QB), simply for the fact that Frank was hurt, which showed that Henfling was far from dependent on his stud WR.  His stats lead the conference, and as the Johnnie faithful can attest to, he made plays when they counted most.  Frank is a talent Carleton will miss, but Henfling had 5 4th quarter come backs.

- Drove for the conference championship in the 4th (Frank TD) can't blame them for the D not getting a stop.
- Did the same in the GAC game, can't blame him for two missed extra points.
- Overcame a 10 point 4th quarter deficit against St.Thomas only to lose on a Tommie TD on the last play of the game.
-  Hamline win was a 4th quarter comeback
- Bethel win was a 4th quarter comeback.

All 3 of Carleton's losses, Henfling put the team ahead in the 4th and in a position to win.

Quote from: faunch on November 12, 2008, 11:05:17 PM

Quote from: AO on November 12, 2008, 11:01:23 PM

Quote from: faunch on November 12, 2008, 10:45:11 PM
Any predictions for the attendance at Laird Stadium on Saturday? 
Will it be filled?

I remember getting a whole lot of negative Karma for asking a very similar question.

What I do care about is if the Johnnies will travel really well and if the Knight fans will come out for a game that has happened how many times....well.....pretty much never in the history of their institution.
Should be fun.

As for fans in attendance supporting the Knights, I am really curious to hear what the turn out is. Carleton doesn't usually get a high turn out from students (& it happens to be a week before finals; trimesters), but then again the football team has never been this good in recent history. With both soccer teams in the NCAAs, excitement about Carleton sports could be at an all time high among non-athletes.

Another factor for Knight fan attendance (could be the same with SJU) could be the fact that a large portion of alumni that follow knights football/sports, like myself,  live in other parts of the country. Thank heavens for the video feed.

However, I would expect a decent showing from spectators that don't really have an allegiance to either school but are interested in seeing the MIAC championship. It is a pretty intriguing match up for anyone that knows a thing or two about MIAC football.

Another interesting side note, if Carleton does win, the football team will have a playoff game right smack dab in the middle of finals. They are usually Saturday-Monday of next wknd. 

New regional rankings

West Region
1. Willamette 8-0 9-0
2. Occidental 8-0 8-0
3. Monmouth 10-0 10-0
4. UW-Stevens Point 5-1 8-1
5. UW-Whitewater 7-1 8-1
6. Redlands 7-1 7-1
7. Northwestern (Minn.) 8-1 8-1
8. St. John's 7-2 7-2
9. Wartburg 8-2 8-2
10. Carleton 7-2 7-2

Quote from: onearmedscot on November 12, 2008, 12:04:33 PM

QuoteAs far as the Carleton turnaround being a factor in the MVP race, it's the same semantic argument that MVP voters deal with in baseball every year.  I personally don't think that team performance should have much bearing on individual awards.  Others may disagree.  Also, Augsburg has had an impressive turnaround since 2006, too, if you're into that.

I tend to agree with your first statement--I mean look at the dude from the Giants that won the Cy?  They were like 20 games under .500.  To me value = victory.  The ultimate goal in sports is to win.  So either change the name to BSP (Best Statistical Player) or factor in wins with the award.

Carleton, with a win would be five wins better than their 07 campaign.  An AUG win will put them one win better than their 07 campaign. 

Nice to be back talking football.  I'd say The Rube has a "side room" not a back room if we are going to split hairs.

Also, I saw sansevere got some love on here for his work.  How about this brother.

oAs.

The Heisman winner is almost always linked to wins/losses along with the NFL MVP. In fact, it looks like every Heisman winner, except for Tebow last year, played on a conference winning team.  Being the best Athlete rarely has anything to do with it, except maybe in Charles Woodson's case, but he had game changing performances on the NC team.

If Carleton wins and Henfling puts up solid numbers, I believe he deserves it. However if they lose, it is up for grabs and we all know Winford has some hops.

Quote from: DustySJU on November 10, 2008, 08:13:09 PM

Quote from: faunch on November 10, 2008, 07:04:53 PM
If I had to pick a favorite on Saturday at Carleton I'd go with the Knights....you might say my expectations aren't very high for Saturday.
Why.....
1. 1924 and 1992...Carleton's only MIAC Championships
2. Knights beat the Cobbers in Moorhead and threw for a ton of yards.
3. Ramler knows the Johnnies as well as the Johnnies knows the Johnnies. 

You traitor Faunch!  Check the Knights record.... there's a few recent warts there.  And don't forget, the Cobbers were pretty good pretenders this year.

As in losing on the last play of the game in both losses? 

It is however interesting that Carleton beat both teams St. Johns lost to and St. Johns beat both teams Carleton lost to.

As for Ramler knowing the Johnnies, that is perhaps the biggest advantage for Carleton... hell, his whole style and philosophy is molded around the Johnnies (as was a selling point when he interviewed). Did I ever mention he was a lot of fun to play for?

Quote from: Shouldabeen71 on November 09, 2008, 01:55:47 PM

Quote from: PRF07 on November 09, 2008, 11:53:25 AM

Quote from: retagent on November 09, 2008, 11:34:42 AM
RE: PRF07 - Does anyone really think SJU would be the favorite next week?

RE: retagent -  Carleton has NEVER beaten st. Johns.  I would think that SJU would be the favorite.  Going by that statistic I think it's easy to see who the favorite would be.  Are you trying to put the Johnnies in the underdog role?  When's the last time that was ever the case?

Gagliardi did say he would retire if he ever lost to Carleton a few years back.

Seems like the Johnnie's qb is coming around.... Just looking at stats he seems to be pretty mobile being that he had a good rushing game against the Auggies.

The only two things that look a bit opportunistic is the o'line looks pretty small on paper, if those are true weights and the QB does not appear to scramble much.  So far the scrambling/running QB's have given the Johnnies the most trouble.

The O-Line is pretty small, but they are quick, athletic, and strong which fits the spread system.

The D has given up a lot of points but they are pretty good at creating turnovers. And watch out for Ziller at SS - All-American - 80 tackles, 3 sacks, 3 picks, 5 forced fumbles, 8 pass break ups, 1 blocked punt returned for TD, D3 team of the week 3 time this season.

If St. Johns can stop the Carleton O they win. But I like Carleton's chances in a higher scoring game.

Quote from: PRF07 on November 09, 2008, 11:53:25 AM

Quote from: retagent on November 09, 2008, 11:34:42 AM
RE: PRF07 - Does anyone really think SJU would be the favorite next week?

RE: retagent -  Carleton has NEVER beaten st. Johns.  I would think that SJU would be the favorite.  Going by that statistic I think it's easy to see who the favorite would be.  Are you trying to put the Johnnies in the underdog role?  When's the last time that was ever the case?

Gagliardi did say he would retire if he ever lost to Carleton a few years back.

Seems like the Johnnie's qb is coming around.... Just looking at stats he seems to be pretty mobile being that he had a good rushing game against the Auggies.

Never thought I would see Carleton v St. John's in the last week for all the marbles.

I am guessing it will probably be a very good game. However, I believe Carleton has to be the slight favorite playing at home with the best offense and QB in the conference. Not that it matters, but Carleton is only 2 plays away from being undfeated (still cringe thinking of the GAC loss)

But I expect to see St. John's best effort, plus they have been in this position many times before, and sometimes experience is the most important element in a game of this magnitude (though they did lose to Bethel in 06 in the same situation).

I don't think history will have much of a role in the game, Carleton has proven the last 2 seasons that they can play with St. Johns.

Quote from: familyguyfaneightyfour on October 12, 2008, 02:36:26 PM
This post is in response to a post by a carl that LAB quoted that I am too lazy to look up and quote myself.  It was something like "things are going to continue to improve for Carleton... steal recruits from the Ivys... Ramler is amazing... etc. etc."

Here's a reality check-

1.) Ramler is gone as soon as possible.  He is a young guy, and I'm assuming that he has aspirations that are larger than small D3 school in bum*&%^, MN.  He will eventually get a better job, with a better salary at a D2 or D1 school.  And ask the Johnnies who they would rather have as the successor to Gagliardi- Jimmy G or Ramler?  Ok, now where would it be easier to have a successful football program- SJU or Carleton?  point made.

2.) Reasons that recruits from the Ivys will not come to Carleton:
a.) Ivy's are in cities.  not Northfield.  Norhtfield, quite frankly, is kinda boring.
b.) People outside of Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin, and the Dakotas have heard of the Ivy's.  The same cannot be said for Carleton.
c.) When paying tuition, you are basically paying to put that college's name on your resume upon graduation.  The Ivy's are the most impressive names to put there. 

The end.

This is for you, buddy.  
http://apps.carleton.edu/athletics/varsity_sports/football/?story_id=457641

Trust me, Carleton is not a hard sell.  Especially with Ramler as the sales man and his success as evidence.

Yes they won't get every player they want, but they will certainly get more players of a higher quality.

Quote from: familyguyfaneightyfour on October 14, 2008, 10:56:23 PM

Quote from: KnightRyder on October 14, 2008, 08:45:26 PM
Those jokes were funny. Though I have heard a few interchanged with Carleton/Olaf before.

They used to sell 'Carleton Sucks' (in maize and blue) shirts at the Olaf bookstore. I believe they stopped due to it being directly related to the school. But the primary reason they stopped the sales is because Olaf finally realized the shirts represented their gigantic inferiority complex more than anything else.  I wonder how they feel now, especially since we are better in almost every sport.  (finally some bragging rights!)


One question though, how come the MIAC does not let traditional rivalries be played in the final week of every season, Johnnies/Tommies, Carleton/Olaf, etc. ?

The first thing that I would like to say in response to that is this: Olaf has much, much better women than Carleton does.  Carleton girls look like Sloth from the Goonies.  You KNOW that's true.

Second: The Carleton Sucks shirts, to my knowledge,  have always been sold by a group of students acting independently of the college.  I will get one for you if you'd like.  

Third: Besides football, what sports has Carleton beaten St. Olaf at this year besides football?

KR,
my favorite joke:
What is the difference between a Tommie girl and the nickel horse at the grocery store?
A.) the nickel
B.) Most nickel horses haven't been ridden by a Johnnie.

Does that imply that most Johnnies "ride" Tommie girls?  Wouldn't that be a bad thing since "Tommie girls are sl*ts"?  What does that say about the Johnnies? 

Pat,
Do I need to use an * when typing sl*ts or can I just type the word out?

Haha, trust me, you will never see me defending Carleton girls' beauty. While I was there, probably a total of 5-6 girls that would have been considered hot at a big school, but the most attractive usually get wifey'd up pretty quickly.
That is why I spent most of my time in Northfield with Ole girls, for realz. Once I hit 21, I was pretty much in MPLS every Fri/Sat; Carleton social life was lame except for a few big time parties.

When I was at Carleton, the 'Carleton Sucks' shirts were sold in the Ole bookstore right there in your student center. How is it possible to sell them independently of the college (not denying that it isn't possible) if 1.)they were being sold on campus, in your primary outlet for Ole apparel 2.) You payed at the register...?  But I actually might take you up on your offer, because it would be an awesome gift for someone close to me that truly hates Carleton...

That was a general statement based on the only other two sports I care about. Our mens soccer team is def better (arguably the best in the west region), we have been better in men's b-ball basketball recently, 6-2 over the past 4 seasons. I know you are superior in baseball, but I could care less about that sport. You are probably better in track, but def not cross country. Obviously we don't have a real hockey team.

Quote from: snoop dawg on October 14, 2008, 09:58:16 PM
If you want to see some vulgar tee shirts go to an Ohio St. - Michigan game in Ohio.  There is the common, F#$@ Michigan, and others with the f-bomb but my favorite is ...."Ann Arbor is a whore".  They get more creative with the vulgar tee shirts than their offensive cooridinator does with his play calling, that, coming from a Buckeye fan.

Are you bragging about Ohio State fans' general classlessness?

T-Shirts are one thing (and the 'Ann Arbor is a whore' was creative about 20 years ago), but people getting their cars vandalized because they have MI plates, drinks intentionally spilled, bottles thrown, fights started is a totally different story...

Those jokes were funny. Though I have heard a few interchanged with Carleton/Olaf before.

They used to sell 'Carleton Sucks' (in maize and blue) shirts at the Olaf bookstore. I believe they stopped due to it being directly related to the school. But the primary reason they stopped the sales is because Olaf finally realized the shirts represented their gigantic inferiority complex more than anything else.  I wonder how they feel now, especially since we are better in almost every sport.  (finally some bragging rights!)


One question though, how come the MIAC does not let traditional rivalries be played in the final week of every season, Johnnies/Tommies, Carleton/Olaf, etc. ?

Quote from: Shouldabeen71 on October 13, 2008, 07:58:28 PM

Quote from: KnightRyder on October 13, 2008, 06:46:23 PM

Quote from: Shouldabeen71 on October 13, 2008, 05:58:25 PM

So this race is still very wide open and any one of seven teams could end up in first place (alone or with others) if they win out.

Carleton controls their own destiny at this point and will have clinched by the St. John's game if they win their next 4.

If they lose, it will be very interesting to see how it all plays out.

I have not paid enough attention to the earlier posts extolling Carleton's virtues.  What has changed that results in a 1-7 team last year turning into 8-0, 7-1 or even 6-2 this year?  Especially since they won a total of 9 conference games in the last 9 years.  Just wondering if we're not going to see some regression to the mean over the last five games.

Coaching, confidence, overall quality of talent.  They seem to be winning close games that they would always let slip away in the past (see St. Johns last year in addition to countless others)

Not saying they will win the MIAC this year (obviously I would love to see it), but I was simply pointing out the fact that they do control their own destiny, and clinch if they win the next four. It will most certainly be an immense challenge, especially going up to Concordia in early November.

Quote from: Touchdown Tommy on October 13, 2008, 07:33:12 PM

Esq: Can you give a brief refresher course on the various MIAC football tiebreakers?  This seems like the type of year where it will be bunched at the top.  I always thought Head to Head didn't matter if conference records are tied.  I thought the 1st tiebreaker was which team has gone the longest without winning the conference title.

POLICY FOR TIE BREAKER: Ties will be broken in order to select the automatic qualifier to
the NCAA playoffs as follows: (added 5/99)
1. Head to Head competition.
2. If 3 or more teams are tied, the team that has most recently been to the playoffs will be
eliminated. Then it goes back to head to head competition with the remaining teams.
3. Coin flip, if head to head competition and recent

http://www.miac-online.org/Pdfs/MIAC/2008/8/15/FB0809.pdf   Policy 6.1

Quote from: Shouldabeen71 on October 13, 2008, 05:58:25 PM

So this race is still very wide open and any one of seven teams could end up in first place (alone or with others) if they win out.

Carleton controls their own destiny at this point and will have clinched by the St. John's game if they win their next 4.

If they lose, it will be very interesting to see how it all plays out.

What a game today down at Carleton, a great homecoming was had.

Hats off to both squads, as they both played their asses off. I don't remember a turnover, but perhaps there was one.

Berg is a very good quarterback. And Winford has to be an All-American.

Obviously I have a biased opinion, but the refs called the game as well as they could. LAB didn't mention the TD that Augsburg scored that very well could have been a fumble before their player crossed the goal line.  But overall they called a fair game, and Augsburg got away with some calls.

Everyone knows Augsburg is a dirty team, they like to talk a lot of junk and (very generally) act like jerk offs, as evidenced by their players getting on this form earlier in the week and talking crap, who does that while still actually playing? . If the refs did favor Carleton, it should be expected. Why wouldn't they favor the team with more class? Besides, as maizeandblue noted, Carleton has never gotten any love from refs in the past (and why would they when our program used to be one of the worst in all of D3), so if anything, it was finally karma coming full circle.

We know LAB is disheartened they let the game slip away, but they made the mistakes, Carleton made the plays.  

Carleton's O looked very very good, without Frank. Henfling played incredibly. The frosh running back is a stud, and they got other backs that are solid. Their D did not play as bad as the yardage indicated, they made a lot of plays to bat balls away and get sacks when they needed. Honestly, I never thought I would see this day, at least not so soon.

Carleton is the real deal, Ramler is the real deal. Lots of recruits there today, I can only see this continuing for Carleto., I expect Carleton will be able to start pulling players away from the Ivys and other higher division intense academic institutions in the coming years.

Not only a great day to be a Knight, but a great year. Today was Blissful.

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