I was the one who nominated Wellman, not the one who questioned him. And I nominated him with Kornaker because of those exact reasons. Alfred was a tough game this year for the first time in a long time simply because they were well coached. They are extremely young and in my opinion will be very good down the road with them getting older and the rest of the E8 getting thinner. And your assessment of the rest of the E8 coaches is dead on. Extremely nice guys who are "game management challenged". The Empire 8 is a place to go if you want to get a decent job when youre 23 or if you need a positive father figure role model. It is not a place to attend if you wish you to go to Final Fours......Not saying there is anything wrong with that, just stating the facts.

Kornaker and the Alfred coach are the 2 best in the E8.

I just cant believe he wouldnt run more 2 man action with Burton and Bostic. I understand live by the 3 die by the 3 blah blah but when you have 2 players of their caliber on the same D3 court you need to isolate them. Just makes me sick that this team was one and done.

17-27 from the line and 3 for 16 from three. Not gonna win playoff type games with those numbers. Cant put this one on Daley.

Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I dont see how you can lead the conference in assists AND win games and not make your teammates better. But to each his own.......

Bomber I think you are underestimating this Naz team just a bit. They are quite a better team than the one you saw a month ago. They were on the verge of winning the Chase after stomping RIT in round 1, and although they havent played much as far as competition lately, theyve won games on the road. I guess we'll see how they bounce back this Saturday in the East Ave. showdown.

Berwanger was not there (graduated with Lisiecka), and you are forgetting about the Mcgee brothers (Mike had a big freshman year) and of course debatably their best player that year in Matt Morley. The talent was extremely close and Fisher did the intangibles better.

obviously I meant points not parents ^^^. please excuse the typo.

Dynasty while you are correct on many of your parents, Lisiecka and Maroney never played together. Lisiecka was gone the previous year, and Steck was the off guard, Evans played the point. Thats why I said he was playing out of position...... That team was an incredibly loaded team, but did play bad defense and it seems were sometimes poorly coached. That being said they went 22-6 (12-2 in the Empire 8, finishing second to a 13-1 Fisher team) and lost to RIT in the ECAC finals. They also won the Chase tournament beating U of R who was 14-1 and ranked # 2 in the country. This was in 2003 before the NCAA expanded the Division 3 field, so at large bids were few and far between. I say that was a very successful season.

RITfan before Evans got to Naz they had been losing every year since the Greg Dunne-Chris Pagan-Zach Wein era. While I dont think Evans did as much for his team that Dunne did he helped turn around a losing program going 17-10 and 22-5, scoring 1100 points with nearly 300 assists and led the conference in scoring and assists in back to back years (He was E-8 player of the year once and might have been twice had he not made some off court mistakes) while playing out of position. He definitely didnt do the intangibles that Dunne did in taking his team to the next level, but I still think he made his teammates a whole lot better.

Naz has won 3 in a row, sneaking up on the 4 seed. I guarantee you nobody wants to play them in the first round including Ithaca (year throw 122 points at me all you want, Naz is a much better defensive team now than they were then. They could be extremely dangerous as nobody has as good a 3-headed monster as Dihimer plus Mcadam squared......only problem is they have nobody else

Jimmy Evans had 1100 points and nearly 300 assists in his 2 seasons at Nazareth. I would at least put him in that category with Burton. Although I only was around one of his 2 years he was easily one of the best players I have ever seen playmakers I have seen play in the E-8. Difference is he was 6'5 and playing out of position at the point.

I think the loss of Rayvon Higdon has become huge for  Nazareth. He was really a guy that took pressure off the Mcadams. Its amazing to me how bad everyone not named Mcadam or Dehimer are on this team. The Major kid is putting up ok numbers but he is a mess defensively and is simply the best of the remaining worst on that roster. Daly had better get these guys to start playing some defense or they might not win 4 more games.

Gotta go with Carson on this one, but ultimately it will probably go to Burton because I think Ithaca will end up winning the league and that will be the deciding factor. Carsons numbers have been rediculous and he has led RIT to a surprising start. Leading the nation in rebounding is quite a stat.

ok seriously what is going on at Nazareth??? 2 losses in the Staten Island tournament to a 2-7 team and an 0-8 host team?? There has to be something happening there behind the scenes because a team with the Mcadam brothers and the big kid (Dimer?) there is no way this team should have only 1 win. I saw them at the RIT game and although they didnt win I thought they played well and had some pieces to at least content for a playoff spot. Now it looks to me like getting to 7 wins will be an achievement. Mike Daley has to at least consider letting go because this is getting rediculous this team is too talented.

I am still a strong believer that Ithaca, Utica, Stevens and Naz/RIT are your E8 tourney teams. I dont see where Fisher fits into this equation. Do you guys honestly think they are better than any of those last 3 teams? Naz had a tough start but im still convinced with the Mcadam brothers they will be ahead of Fisher for that 4th spot.

Baltz? Anyone? Did he quit??

Chris Baltz is no longer listed on the SJF website.....any news as to whats going on with him?