Quote from: fredfalcon on December 26, 2010, 10:39:28 PM
warhawkbabe--according to? There's nothing about it on the Mary fb site. If the OC did take a job there, it may be related to his failure to get an interview for the head job at UWRF.

Kevin Bullis told the open forum group that as run d coordinator at WW, he worried more about the Falcon attack than he did about that of any other team all season. Hard to figure in a 63-14 loss, but he sounded sincere.

or because of the type of offense and the amount of rushing attempts RF has every game

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Quote from: skunks_sidekick on December 21, 2010, 09:08:00 AM
WOW....I remember when LL was chosen as the HC.  There was MUTINY afoot on this board.  I could go back and post all the CRAZY talk that was posted, but I will save many of you the embarassment.  
I have an idea......let's erase the last four years with LL, and REPLAY those games with the "other guy" at the helm.  I gotta believe Mount's chances would be better.   No disrespect to Zweifel, but LL was the best thing that happened to UWW.  

Sidekicks I think the majority of the regular WW posters on this board were up in arms about WW   hiring leipold and not coach Zweifel. I was one of the few people who post on this board that was excited to see WW take a chance on Leipold as he is a former warhawk.  However to say that if we play the last four games over with Zweifel as head coach. I am not sure if UMU would have a better chance to win. Although they were 4-0 against WW with Zweifel calling the plays for the hawks. 02, 03 in the regular season and 05 06 in the Stagg bowl with 06 being the worse of the offensive performances.
   The one thing that I truly believe helped WW and Leipold was going out and hiring Zebrowski as his OC. He was and is a great coach and offensive mind as he is know coaching in the Big Ten. That along with Leipold's ability to get the team and remaining coaches one of which(Steve Dinkel current Oc  I believe) had quit the day it was announced with a "gag order" was supposedly put on the campus by the chancellor  that Leipold got the job   to believe in him and what his plan for the program was. I can't imagine what would have happen with the coaches and returning players would have not bought into Leipold's plan. I know change is difficult for some people but sometimes it's the best thing for everyone.
Who knows what would have happen if they would have hired Zweifel. However like I have said before Leipold obviously did a better job in the interview room behind closed doors then Zweifel did, and no matter what anyone says Zweifel had a big part in getting the hawks to the Stagg Bowl in both 2005 and 2006.   Berezowitz also gets a lot of credit as he was the head coach, as well as he had to manage the drama and the fact the Zweifel refused to talk to the defensive coordinator Borland after he told Stan in August of 2005 that he wouldn't back Zweifel for the head job as he was going to go for it as well. This resulted in the team taking an offensive plane and a defensive plane down to Texas when they played Mary Hardin Baylor in 2006.

why is this the first I've heard anything about this at all? even during the hiring process and talking with players during and after the hiring process?  I'm not doubting you at all because it was obviously a pretty bad situation and bridges were obviously burned but that shocks me considering the travel restrictions placed on our institutions during playoffs and throughout the year

Hey WC11...after watching the replay of Coppage running 75 yards for that last score of the '10 Stagg Bowl I started lookin through the other links on youtube...I've got a bone to pick with you...WHERE ARE THE OTHER STAGG BOWL VIDEOS?

I mean right when WW started winning you stopped making those sweet Stagg Bowl highlight videos.  I watched the ones of WW losing and then finally breaking through but I think that was the last one you made and I'm heartbroken.  You did a better job then some professional sports sites who focus solely on it.

Here's to hoping you saved tape up from 08 - 10 

Quote from: badgerwarhawk on December 21, 2010, 04:34:01 PM
Quote from "Coach W".....  "I know a few of the alumni and they thought Mr Ohio was a fast talking used car salesman." 

just for the sake of this board...Coach W would (and does on wissports) have about -3000K with his insanely stupid posts and lack of intelligence...take what he says with a grain of salt...and the "Coach" part is without a doubt not true...he is most likely a 40 year old has been (never been) player or a high school kid haha

In this case, the outlier is a surpassing talent at running back (all-state/DI proven, 1200 Big 10 yards averaging 3.8 YPC, and with up to EIGHT years of physical maturity over some of the players he's lined up against) sitting in the larder.

yeah...and a guy who was out of football and playing shape for how many years and then you add in the fact that his body took the punishment of 1200 Big 10 yards and you start to wonder if that "physical maturity" is helpful or a drawback...

by the way...just a side note from knowing Booker a bit in his playing days in HS...you would probably confuse him with Levell Coppage with his size and cutting ability...then he goes to the Big 10 and becomes a "power" back...

Quote from: WarhawkDad on December 21, 2010, 05:48:45 PM
Change of subject here.   I was really disappointed that UWW did not have one defensive player on either the d3football 1st or 2nd team All-American list.  Yes, Lane Olsen and Wes Hicks made it for 3rd team or honorable mentioned, but no-one on the first or second team.   This is what really concerns me about individual awards.   The way our defense stepped it up as the playoffs went on was truly amazing.  I know, the All-American award is for the full body of work for the season.   

Regardless, hats off to the defense.  Lastly, while Lavell Coppage truly earned the MVP award at the Staff Bowl, the game played by Matt McCulloch was truly outstanding as well.

Man, I am looking forward to next year already!

I couldn't agree more with you WD...I was disappointed to not see anyone on the 1st or 2nd team but I guess in the end they were all apart of the best team in the nation and got to show it each and every week...although they took the brunt of criticism throughout the playoffs for giving up points...they were AMAZING in the 2nd half of the stagg and truthfully throughout the entire season...WW's offense has always seemed to get the credit from those who do not follow the Warhawks or DIII as close until the playoffs but these defense were just as big if not a bigger reason for the great run WW is on right now...

not to take anything away from NCC's academic standards and what not but it's not like WW has a bunch of incompetent young men playing football (and no one said they did here) but a real good friend of mine just won the Elite 88 award at the Stagg Bowl and the kid is a fricken genius and a damn good defensive back

congrats to Keys on the award and the stagg bowl ring...but I just wanted to point that out because you can have some damn good athletes who are also damn good students

Quote from: jaypeter on December 20, 2010, 06:51:48 PM
I would agree on the comment, RC, about the "quiet 300 yards.  You mentioned 75 coming at the end, but there was also the 54 yard TD in the first.  that's 130 yards on two plays.  OK, he still ran for 170 the rest of the game, but when your two biggest runs are spaced out so far, it's easy to forget about them, I think.  The part that was most frustrating about him is that he often seemed to get just a yard or two more than he needed. 2nd and 5?  He gets 6.  3rd and 2?  He gets three.  Those extra one or two yards really added up until he broke the bank with 75 added on. 

I remember the announcers talking about how this kid who is probably 180 lbs soaking wet always seems to fall forward and never goes backwards...it is that one extra yard that means the most

this is more of a random thought but what happened with AA this year?  I mean he was a stud back up last year and shined in the game vs River Falls and then its like he disappeared

Did I miss something?  Did he get hurt or did he just fall out of favor very quickly for reasons that have been kept quiet?

I understand that this team has/had a ton of depth at RB but that just confused me a bit as I saw Booker Stanley running the ball in the Stagg Bowl and thinking about how AA filled in at times last year.

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Quote from: MasterJedi on December 18, 2010, 11:05:48 PM
After today I think we can clearly say that the top 4 is:

1. UWW
2. UMU
3. NCC (Yes three, not two, UMU is clearly better)
4. Wesley (weakest of the four on both sides of the ball)

cleary better???....NCC vs. UMU would be a great game....i still think NCC was the toughest game we had...

you still have to take into account that for the most part NCC was at full strength in that game while both WW and UMU were battling injuries at the most key positions at the end of the playoffs...you can not base the talent of Mount as a whole based on their performance today...not without Seaman at QB it just isn't fair...same with the fact people said throughout the playoffs that WW's offense wasn't that great but would fail to mention we were starting our #2 QB as well...

That's true if you count Spencer Stanek as NCC's first string QB; however, many would not.  Brad Crackel was the signal caller all the way until the Elmhurst game, but suffered some broken ribs against Elmhurst in week 9 and was unable to compete for a few games.  In many ways, it was very similar to Whitewater's situation with Brekke.  Crackel was ready to go by the time NCC and Whitewater squared off, but Stanek had already won 4 games (the same number Brekke had won when Whitewater took on UMU).  Both coaching staffs made similar decisions: to stick with the QB that got them there.  But to say that NCC was full strength going into the game against Whitewater would be the same as saying that Whitewater was full strength at the Stagg Bowl.

MTU was also down two OL in the Stagg Bowl.  Don't know if it would have helped much, but that goes with playing football.  The next guy has to step up.

Also, unless you can line up a NCC vs. MTU game this week to settle it on the field, IMO MTU is #2.

Please don't misunderstand.  I'm not stating that NCC is a clear #2.  I'm just making a case that they COULD be the second best team in the nation, not "clearly" the inferior of MTU, as MasterJedi stated and TUnit implied.  Then, I simply presented some facts stats to make my case.  I agree that we will never know for certain since we can't line them up, so all we can do is look at common opponents and speculate.  As far as injuries go, I think it becomes far more abstract if you try to figure in what teams would have done with healthy players.  What's your rationale for MTU's #2 other than bracket shakedown?  Any telling stats you could point to with our common opponent?  (Turnover ratio jumps out at me, but I can't think of any others off the top of my head).  I'm not trying to be snarky or beat my chest, just musing and reflecting on the season.  As far as the D3 top 25 is concerned, I'm positive that MTU will be #2 (and should be until someone other than UWW beats them), but I'm not convinced that they were CLEARLY the second best team in the country.  I would have loved to have seen them play.  It would have been a fantastic game, IMO.

I implied nothing at all...I simply stated that don't judge mount union as a team and as a program off of that one game because they, like WW, were missing their QB's

how in any way did I imply what you are accusing me of?  I have nothin but respect for NCC and I clearly stated they are no WORSE then #3...what am I implying by saying that?

You are correct.  I'm sorry for including you on that.

THANK YOU!!! I just don't want to be seen as someone who feels the need to talk down about or to another program or their fans...I have nothing but respect for NCC after this year and their fans are very intelligent and for the most part sportsman like in their conversations...

how about instead of trying to make excuses other conferences teams start working harder, game planning better and putting in their time?

I guess if my team sucked I'd look for an excuse as to why too...

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Quote from: MasterJedi on December 18, 2010, 11:05:48 PM
After today I think we can clearly say that the top 4 is:

1. UWW
2. UMU
3. NCC (Yes three, not two, UMU is clearly better)
4. Wesley (weakest of the four on both sides of the ball)

cleary better???....NCC vs. UMU would be a great game....i still think NCC was the toughest game we had...

you still have to take into account that for the most part NCC was at full strength in that game while both WW and UMU were battling injuries at the most key positions at the end of the playoffs...you can not base the talent of Mount as a whole based on their performance today...not without Seaman at QB it just isn't fair...same with the fact people said throughout the playoffs that WW's offense wasn't that great but would fail to mention we were starting our #2 QB as well...

That's true if you count Spencer Stanek as NCC's first string QB; however, many would not.  Brad Crackel was the signal caller all the way until the Elmhurst game, but suffered some broken ribs against Elmhurst in week 9 and was unable to compete for a few games.  In many ways, it was very similar to Whitewater's situation with Brekke.  Crackel was ready to go by the time NCC and Whitewater squared off, but Stanek had already won 4 games (the same number Brekke had won when Whitewater took on UMU).  Both coaching staffs made similar decisions: to stick with the QB that got them there.  But to say that NCC was full strength going into the game against Whitewater would be the same as saying that Whitewater was full strength at the Stagg Bowl.

MTU was also down two OL in the Stagg Bowl.  Don't know if it would have helped much, but that goes with playing football.  The next guy has to step up.

Also, unless you can line up a NCC vs. MTU game this week to settle it on the field, IMO MTU is #2.

Please don't misunderstand.  I'm not stating that NCC is a clear #2.  I'm just making a case that they COULD be the second best team in the nation, not "clearly" the inferior of MTU, as MasterJedi stated and TUnit implied.  Then, I simply presented some facts stats to make my case.  I agree that we will never know for certain since we can't line them up, so all we can do is look at common opponents and speculate.  As far as injuries go, I think it becomes far more abstract if you try to figure in what teams would have done with healthy players.  What's your rationale for MTU's #2 other than bracket shakedown?  Any telling stats you could point to with our common opponent?  (Turnover ratio jumps out at me, but I can't think of any others off the top of my head).  I'm not trying to be snarky or beat my chest, just musing and reflecting on the season.  As far as the D3 top 25 is concerned, I'm positive that MTU will be #2 (and should be until someone other than UWW beats them), but I'm not convinced that they were CLEARLY the second best team in the country.  I would have loved to have seen them play.  It would have been a fantastic game, IMO.

I implied nothing at all...I simply stated that don't judge mount union as a team and as a program off of that one game because they, like WW, were missing their QB's

how in any way did I imply what you are accusing me of?  I have nothin but respect for NCC and I clearly stated they are no WORSE then #3...what am I implying by saying that?

Even as a WW alum I have a hard time seeing how anyone could not like watching these games.  Sure its the same two schools, but it is far from the same two teams.  Every year, new guys are in key positions and new heros emerge.  The games are never blow outs and there is always explosive plays and huge momentum swings.  Apart from the ESPN crew never showing anyone but UMU fans coming out of commercial, things are always different on the field.

I agree teams need to get better to get there, but I'd rather no one gets better and WW stays at the same level of play they are at now 

Quote from: bashbrother on December 19, 2010, 01:27:57 AM
Is Division III seeing the changing of the guard?  Two consecutive wins over Mount in the Stagg by 10 points?   If they make it 3 in a row next year and with Coppage back, anything is possible, then I believe you can say that Mount has been replaced at the top.

Even though the game was sloppy and turnover ridden, it was still exciting to watch.

which is why I guess I don't understand the hatred from a majority of other DIII fans when it comes to seeing these two teams in the game...the games are usually within 2 scores and usually involve explosive offense (UMU 21 PTS in 4 mins...Coppage long running plays)...watching them on the field is truly watching the cream of the crop in DIII and I wouldn't have it any other way...great game by both teams minus the turnover bug that bit both the #2 QB's

Quote from: Stagg or Bust on December 19, 2010, 12:54:56 AM
Great post T_Unit.  I understand the limitation of my sample size, and perhaps I should have said that I believe that NCC would have beaten the Mount Union team that I saw play today.  I just got done watching the game for the second time, and am even more impressed with how UWW was able to control both sides of the line of scrimmage.  I didn't notice as much of a difference between the lines in the UWW v. NCC game until midway through the fourth quarter when I think the size and weight differential between the UWW OL and NCC's DL caught up to the Cardinals. 

I thought your comments about UWWs successful recruiting efforts in the Chicago area were also quite interesting.  Only time will tell on this one.  Clearly, UWW will continue to benefit from being the best team in DIII.  IMO, NCC won't be considered a truely "elite" program until it is able to consistently get to the third, fourth, and fifth round of the playoffs.  A this point, though, I do believe that NCC's program has evolved to such a level that we will see them in the upper half of the Top 25 for years to come.  Where they go from here is anyone's guess.  I do know that the vast majority of their starters are coming back next year, that they have a great group of underclassemen chomping at the bit to get on the field, and the phones lines have been lit up during the last two weeks in Naperville with potential transfers and talented high school players all seeking information about the program and opportunities for next year.  IMO, NCC should open the season ranked in the top five (and perhaps even in the top three).

I would have a hard time putting them outside of the top 3...top 5 should be a given for the caliber team they had this year and what they are bringing back