Quote from: cave2bens on September 21, 2015, 01:47:10 AM
But they beat the spread.    A review of the box score kinda said it all - and agree with your expressed sentiment.

Curious as to what the spread was?

Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 18, 2013, 05:59:43 AM
Just looking at the non-conference records of the conference lately (with additional playoff record in parentheses)... not a good trend. The HCAC has gotten worse every year since 2006

2006: 13-11 (0-1)
2007: 12-12 (0-2)
2008: 10-13 (2-1)
2009: 7-17 (0-1)
2010: 6-12 (0-1)
2011: 3-15 (1-1)
2012: 2-16 (1-1)

Looking at predictions on Massey somehow that trend could continue... I wonder if a conference has ever gone 0fer before. Out of 18 games, HCAC teams are favored just once... Manchester by 1.5 over Kalamazoo in week 2. Not only that, but only two other games are teams single digit underdogs (Hanover 2.5 to Illinois College and Rose 3.5 @ Kalamazoo). 12 games the team is at least 20 point underdogs and 3 are at least 30.

Is the conference that absurdly bad (5-31 without playoffs the last 2 years) or are teams simply scheduling far outside of their ability? Franklin is obviously in the latter currently.

Outside of Franklin, yes the conference is that absurdly bad. They're in another class compared to the rest of the HCAC and the results lately prove that.

I believe the Bryan QB is getting some DI looks. He's a stud ... at very least a DII guy. Preseason polls don't mean anything to me, just get rid of them. Mostly a reflection of what happened last season.

Disgust, embarrassment and anger for what happened were the sentiments afterwards. It really is sickening. I don't know what triggered the bruhahah but so what if Bluffton kids were running their mouths, walk off the field DC, you got stomped ... get'em next year on the field. But you could see this coming a mile away. The DC program has been a powder keg all year. Discipline issue after discipline issue. There have been problems on a weekly basis pretty much with the program on campus and around town. It came to a boiling point after the game and you got an ugly, ugly fight. The interim coach was thrown into a blazing inferno. Cave you know what I mean by this, you reap what you sow.

Black eye for Defiance College today. A post-game brawl was pretty ugly and embarrassing. City cops were even called in but didn't get there till after the fracas was over. It's just bad, bad, bad for something like this to happen.

Quote from: dc_has_been on September 24, 2011, 02:29:46 PM
I check the live stats and get a baseball game
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Defiance website isn't working for live stats. Use Franklin's website.

Not used to that. By FAR the best offensive series all year for Defiance.

Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 09, 2011, 12:10:02 AM
I'm curious, is the conference really bad this year or is it just a rough non-conference for us? Week 1 we went 2-7 and right now in the Pick 'Em just one of the 7 playing this week have a majority of picks for them (and they're only chosen 3 to 2). In fact in 7 games between 5 pickers (35 chances total) there's a total of 7 HCAC teams chosen and 28 picks for HCAC teams to lose.

Honestly, besides Franklin I can't really see how you can call the conference anything but average again after what happend the first week. Mike Leonard has put together a pretty good program and so has Rod Huber at the Mount and I'd say you can call both really good the last four or five years. Defiance and Bluffton's losses weren't exactly impressive with both losing badly to teams that annually finish near the bottom of their conferences.

With three HCAC teams playing teams in the top 22, there's a chance for the HCAC to make some noise.

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Quote from: dc_has_been on September 07, 2011, 04:17:42 PM
Regardless, ND should be able to have their way against Michigan. 

This year's UM team should be much improved; within a couple of years they should be again MEEEEEECHIGAN (those old enough to remember Bob Ufer will smile ).

I wasn't around during Ufer's days but I'm a huge UM fan and have heard his great calls. Nothing against Frank Beckmann but I wish we had someone like Ufer doing the games now. Give Hoke a couple years, he's already got the top recruiting class for next year. I actually have some faith in in the defense now ... they're not great but much better than the last couple years. I didn't have any with that joker Robinson as coordinator.

Quote from: dc_has_been on September 07, 2011, 04:17:42 PM
Regardless, ND should be able to have their way against Michigan. 

If ND is better than Michigan it's not by very much ... so I don't understand how they should have their way against Michigan. Michigan's not great or even really good but its far from a team that ND should trounce. Michigan's beat them the last two years and each team has mostly the same players this year.

Cave,

Sorry to say but I have nothing for you. Give me another 6 weeks.

Kuesel's hurt.

Quote from: dc_has_been on November 01, 2010, 06:08:44 PM
Seeing Anderson and Manchester in the top 25 and Franklin receiving votes is nice to see for the conference.  Last year may have given the HCAC some national attention.

Some good recognition for the HCAC in the Top 25 but I don't give a hoot about any poll, especially preseason polls. Don't even get me started! They're mainly based off of a season that ended 7 months ago, and more than anything don't matter. The only sport they matter in is D-I college football and we all know how dumb that system is. Nice thing about college basketball is there's a big dance at the end of the season and that's all that matters. So good for Anderson and Manchester, but they're going to have to prove what kind of team they are on the court just like everyone else in the nation.

Schedule is anything but kind for DC to start the season after K-Zoo visits a week from Monday. Whitewater, possibly Wheaton at the Wheaton Tourney, ONU along with Anderson and Hanover before Christmas. Love it that the Jackets are playing some traditional powers out of conference. Think it shows how far the program has come in the last five or six seasons.

Honestly, I can't say if DC has improved or not this season.

They've lost to the same good teams on their schedule every year over the past few seasons (mainly Adrian and Franklin and also the Mount when they've been good and in the HCAC title hunt).

They need to start beating some better than average teams before I'll say they're improving.

Totally agree the opportunity is there with the fieldhouse and what the prez is doing. If they play their cards right, you'll start seeing better football.

Well said Buzz. Let's be honest, those who follow the HCAC know that outside of Franklin, the HCAC is just pitiful.

As DC fans we can say the Jackets have improved since getting whacked by Franklin, but I'll chalk it up as playing a bunch of cupcakes. Most teams are going to look better when they play Anderson (with 16 kids suspended and their best offensive weapon hurt), MSJ (as bad a team as they've had in Delhi in a long time), Earlham and Rose with Manchester and Bluffton still to come. Most average to below average teams are going to roll through that stretch without much trouble.

All you need to know is this: By far the two best teams Defiance played this year were Franklin and Adrian. DC lost to those two teams by a combined 82-21. There's still a major gap between Franklin and the rest of the HCAC, even more so now with the Mount having a lean year.