Quote from: Super Dutchmen on February 02, 2012, 10:36:13 AM
Play of the night In the Hope game last night goes to Adrain's Collins.  At the 12 minute mark of the first half there was a series of turnovers which resulted in Collins getting coming up with the ball.  He then decided decided to throw up a guarded fade away 35 foot prayer with 33 seconds left in the shot clock.  Had ESPN been there, we would being seeing that on the not top ten tomorrow

This play was at a critical point in the second half.  There was a change of possession but the scores table did not reset shot clock.  The ball was heaved from half court and as the ball was in flight the shot clock was reset.  Definitely an odd sequence of events here, especially when Hope got the rebound and went down and hit a 3.

Quote from: sac on February 02, 2012, 02:03:39 PM

Quote from: ChicagoHopeNut on February 02, 2012, 09:14:17 AM
As I watched the live stats for the game last night the number that kept jumping out at me (other than the atrocious shooting by everyone playing except Krombeen) was the fact Adrian had 28!!! offensive boards and only 17 on defense.

That's an incredible number to me. (Hope gave up 27 offensive rebounds to WMU).

Anyone that saw the game have thoughts? It's a one time thing but if Adrian doesn't have it's worst shooting night of the year total and from beyond the arc this game may have ended differently.

Well, I was pretty unsure of those rebounding totals when I heard them last night.  They simply don't add up.  Adrian missed 50 shots, is credited with 28 offensive rebounds, Hope 27 defensive rebounds.......that's 55 rebounds on 50 missed shots  .   I'd say the scorers table is a little generous in counting some tips as rebounds.  Adrian does an excellent job of keeping rebounds alive.

Watching it live, I really didn't think the shooting was as terrible as the final boxscore shows, and again I think the scorers were probably generous in calling some of those tips, shots.

Many of those extra rebounds that speaking of came off of the numerous missed opportunities at the charity stripe for AC.  Hope's size made it tough for Adrian's offense.  AC spent much of the nite trying to make the the 3 point play when attacking the rim and would adjust in the air which caused them to miss and when trying to do that, not many officials will bail them out.  Hope is very good and is as complete of a team in D3 as I have seen in a while.  I am just hoping that if AC gets another chance at them that the 3rd time will be the charm.  A Hope loss in MIAA tourney is the only chance of 2 MIAA teams in the NCAA's

Quote from: sac on November 27, 2011, 12:13:09 PM
Wesley Reed and Dennis Mason have only played 1 and 5 minutes for Adrian thus far this season.  Anyone know what's going on here?

They are both still listed on the roster.  I expected both of these guys to be big contributors for the Bulldogs.

Adrian used a pretty short bench yesterday to beat Concordia, all 5 starters scored in double figures.  Adrian made a big run in the middle of the second half, from 6 down to 11 up.  Then held on for the victory as Concordia made 5-6 shots in the final couple minutes

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At the game vs Siena Hts both were dressed in travel sweats with crutches, not sure to the extent of their injuries, but adrian plays many games early and then have a long layoff.  This should give both plenty of recovery time and allow for some extra reps for some young players and hopefully that will pay off in miaa play

This whole Championship Week thing just makes me think, "why are they wasting all this time, only the top 4 teams should be in these conference tournaments."

Greatplan MIAA

Quote from: Civic Minded on February 25, 2011, 03:19:46 PM

Quote from: goknights68 on February 25, 2011, 03:14:09 PM
Could Adrian repeat what they did to Hope in 2004? 

We shall see...

Not w/o help again from W. Whitfield....  (shudder).  Wait, someone check the reffing schedule!

I don't think anyone can say anything when the crew of Cryer, Creek & __________ benefited your cause many times.  (Hope 42 Ft's at Adrian to Adrian's 2 Ft's and many more times like this to many opponents).  Hell Cryer was on the Hope website and honored at a Hope game after the DeVos was opened. 

I resent any discrediting of the 04 Bulldogs win over Hope.  Adrian led most all of the game and  had a huge game from Billy Collins, Brian Schafer, Jeff Nokovich, and Mike Lewis.  To say it was Whitfield that lost Hope the game and not Adrian winning it is a joke.  This is exactly why it was so much fun to be a Bulldog that night.

Quote from: northb on February 24, 2011, 09:16:07 PM

Quote from: Adrian Hoops Fan on February 24, 2011, 08:10:33 PM

Quote from: northb on February 24, 2011, 03:28:37 PM

Quote from: Adrian Hoops Fan on February 24, 2011, 02:57:57 PM

Quote from: sac on February 24, 2011, 12:54:06 PM


Adrian had maybe 15 people who made the trip, all of them probably relatives.  No students from Adrian that I could see.   It was a very disappointing turnout for the Bulldogs.

Olivet had what at this point I'll call their standard home crowd, the bleachers looked as full as they usually have minus the empty visitor section.  And no band for some reason.

Adrian doesn't have the greatest following for hoops especially on the road, but Adrian and the surrounding area was hammered with ice on Sunday night with over half of the county out of power and down trees and power lines all over the place, and to make matters worse, we got 4 inches of snow on top of that on Monday.  The great news for us now is that after midnight we are supposed to get 4-8 inches of snow with sleet mixed in.  So for this time only, I will give the students a pass on their lack of support.  Best of luck to the remaining 4.  

I personally as wishing for Adrian to win the tournament not only because that is my school, but so that the presidents of the schools may rethink their new  craptastic plan for a conference tournament.

It is not about if the lower seed can win the tourney.  If the history of this league shows anything, it is that dropping the 5-8 seeds is a pretty safe bet.  It is about making it financially viable.  Go out and get all your friends, classmates or alumni to get up and go to the games, and then they can rethink it.  Fans had the chance to do so last night and the numbers just weren't there.  If the fans don't care enough, why should the institution?

Northb it has nothing to do with attendance, it is strictly a throw all the sports in the pot except for fb and do the same tournament structure.  Also they say if a low seed i.e. 01 bulldogs won the tournament then it would have diminished the championship of 1 seed Calvin from that year.  This was part of the explanation by the commishioner to me when I asked him why this was happening.  Sac summed up the rest of this.

It has nothing to do with the attendance and I already explained the poor following for Adrian last night which you must have omitted to read that we have been hit hard down here by a winter storm that consisted of 4 inches of ice and most peiole were still without power last night so the main concern of people here was keeping their families warm and pipes from freezing.  And I already admitted that Adrian much like all MIAA schools not named Calvin or Hope has a problem getting big crowds.  This is no secret and could be found on the MIAA website under the attendance.  

The change in format is not just eliminating the the 5-8 seeds, it is a step in the wrong direction for the  league

Dude! Ease up.....I'm not interested in getting into an argument with you.  I'm not saying you did not present the information you noted.  I think you may have read someting into my post that was not there (now I know what SAC feels like!).  It is safe to assume that if I quoted your post within mine, that I did read it.
Like realist noted, what the official reasons noted for this and what the actual reasons are might be different.  In regard to attendance, the weather was fine here in GR, and even the schools named Calvin and Hope did not put very big numbers in the seats.    Regardless, what IS the remedy to the situation?  If it WAS about attendance, the fans could do something to change that (i.e., go buy tickets all year long).  If it is about foolish consistency, as some have noted, what is the suggested remedy?  How about a sit-in like Wisconsin or Egypt?

The point of the matter is if you aren't here trying to start an argument don't attach my quote and then talk about it like it is an Adrian only problem, that is exactly why I responded in the way I did.  It doesn't have everything to do with the lower seeds winningc but that is exactly what would spark the conversation to get enough questions to the presidents to discuss whether they did the right thing or not.  No need for you to take get worked up about me questioning whether or not you read about last nights poor attendance by Adrian fans.

Quote from: northb on February 24, 2011, 03:28:37 PM

Quote from: Adrian Hoops Fan on February 24, 2011, 02:57:57 PM

Quote from: sac on February 24, 2011, 12:54:06 PM


Adrian had maybe 15 people who made the trip, all of them probably relatives.  No students from Adrian that I could see.   It was a very disappointing turnout for the Bulldogs.

Olivet had what at this point I'll call their standard home crowd, the bleachers looked as full as they usually have minus the empty visitor section.  And no band for some reason.

Adrian doesn't have the greatest following for hoops especially on the road, but Adrian and the surrounding area was hammered with ice on Sunday night with over half of the county out of power and down trees and power lines all over the place, and to make matters worse, we got 4 inches of snow on top of that on Monday.  The great news for us now is that after midnight we are supposed to get 4-8 inches of snow with sleet mixed in.  So for this time only, I will give the students a pass on their lack of support.  Best of luck to the remaining 4.  

I personally as wishing for Adrian to win the tournament not only because that is my school, but so that the presidents of the schools may rethink their new  craptastic plan for a conference tournament.

It is not about if the lower seed can win the tourney.  If the history of this league shows anything, it is that dropping the 5-8 seeds is a pretty safe bet.  It is about making it financially viable.  Go out and get all your friends, classmates or alumni to get up and go to the games, and then they can rethink it.  Fans had the chance to do so last night and the numbers just weren't there.  If the fans don't care enough, why should the institution?

Northb it has nothing to do with attendance, it is strictly a throw all the sports in the pot except for fb and do the same tournament structure.  Also they say if a low seed i.e. 01 bulldogs won the tournament then it would have diminished the championship of 1 seed Calvin from that year.  This was part of the explanation by the commishioner to me when I asked him why this was happening.  Sac summed up the rest of this.

It has nothing to do with the attendance and I already explained the poor following for Adrian last night which you must have omitted to read that we have been hit hard down here by a winter storm that consisted of 4 inches of ice and most peiole were still without power last night so the main concern of people here was keeping their families warm and pipes from freezing.  And I already admitted that Adrian much like all MIAA schools not named Calvin or Hope has a problem getting big crowds.  This is no secret and could be found on the MIAA website under the attendance.  

The change in format is not just eliminating the the 5-8 seeds, it is a step in the wrong direction for the  league

Quote from: sac on February 24, 2011, 12:54:06 PM


Adrian had maybe 15 people who made the trip, all of them probably relatives.  No students from Adrian that I could see.   It was a very disappointing turnout for the Bulldogs.

Olivet had what at this point I'll call their standard home crowd, the bleachers looked as full as they usually have minus the empty visitor section.  And no band for some reason.

Adrian doesn't have the greatest following for hoops especially on the road, but Adrian and the surrounding area was hammered with ice on Sunday night with over half of the county out of power and down trees and power lines all over the place, and to make matters worse, we got 4 inches of snow on top of that on Monday.  The great news for us now is that after midnight we are supposed to get 4-8 inches of snow with sleet mixed in.  So for this time only, I will give the students a pass on their lack of support.  Best of luck to the remaining 4.  

I personally as wishing for Adrian to win the tournament not only because that is my school, but so that the presidents of the schools may rethink their new  craptastic plan for a conference tournament.

Quote from: KnightSlappy on February 10, 2011, 09:13:01 AM
Adrian's not afraid to play rough and tough on both sides of the floor. Not dirty, but they're going to bend the rules a bit and force the refs to blow the whistle, which they simply won't do on every offensive and defensive possession.

Not sure I saw more than two or three legal screens set by AC all night, and they screen several times each possession.

Every possession of every game has a violation of some kind whether it is carrying the ball, over the back, hand check, or hitting the elbow of the shooter.  The last of which has been happening at knollcrest among other gyms for as long as I have been watching or playing basketball.  Adrian won and had ten team fouls before Calvin had 4. So I see no reason for complaints either way.

Quote from: sac on February 09, 2011, 09:49:16 PM
Question of the night


Does anybody know the last time Adrian swept Calvin in the regular season?

Adrian last swept Calvin in the 87-88 season while being led by senior point guard Mark White

Oldknight, thanks for given this bulldogs team credit.  I have been around many teamsand I personally haven't seen another team with the personality of this team.   They are the lunch box  and hard-hat workman mentality.  They don't really care about much but winning, they have no problem winning a low scoring game that only a die hard  basketball fan appreciates.  Much like Coach White, they like the disrespect. They dont have the one player who will bail  them  out offensively on a consistent basis, but the confidence and defensive intensity is there. 
I have never been a fan of Hope or Calvin or Albion for that matter but I respect their programs and the consistency of success.  Hopefully, this is Adrian making a step to put their name as a perennial contender.  To sweep Calvin, is a huge accomplishment but we still want more.

 Bottom line, if you don't like the contacted tournament, you need to make sure to let your schools president know about why this is a mistake.  I personally contacted Adrian's president about this and fully intend to communicate with many of Adrian's basketball alumni about this urging them to do the same to preserve the tournament and keep the MIAA's own march madness.  However, more presidents will need to push for the tournament as w know it, because the vote is in the hands of the presidents.

Quote from: sac on February 07, 2011, 09:32:02 PM

Quote from: sac on February 06, 2011, 12:16:46 PM

For the most part the MIAA tournament first round has gone true to form.  My guess is Adrian is probably really opposed to this.

I think I was right.  

Opposed is an understatement.  I just think the tournament is the best time of the season.  It would be like taking away districts in HS basketball.  Because, does the 0-20 team really have a chance to win the state title?  Or for that fact, why not just pick 16 teams per class to play for the title, cuz the rest of the teams are just wasting our time and money oh and they may miss a class or two.  Hell, Green Bay should not have won the super bowl because they weren't int the top 4 so they didn't deserve it either.  Due to injures, youth and other factors some teams just don't get it all clicking on all cylinders till late in the year and maybe at that time the 5th or 6th place team just may be better at that time then the teams in front of them.  This is a HUGE step backwards for the MIAA.

Quote from: sac on February 06, 2011, 12:16:46 PM
The #8 seed has never won an MIAA tournament game, but also remember we've only had a #8 seed for 8 of the tournaments.

The #7 seed has never won an MIAA tournament game, most wins were comfortable only 1 single digit game and that came last year with Hope/Trine

#6 seed
1997 Adrian beat Kzoo

#5 seed
1995 Albion beat Olivet
1997 Alma beat Albion
2001 Adrian beat Albion in OT
2003 Adrian beat Kzoo
2008 Adrian beat Trine

For the most part the MIAA tournament first round has gone true to form.  My guess is Adrian is probably really opposed to this.

Correction:
In '01 Adrian as a 6 seed beat Albion (#3) in OT.  Two days later at Calvin, Adrian also beat #2 seed Hope in overtime only to lose to Calvin in the final.  That same year, I think Olivet as a 5 seed beat Kazoo.

I think this is an absolute mistake to lose the full conference tounament.  By the teory of the 7 and 8 being winless, does this mean the D-1 should get rid of the 16 seed since they have never beat a 1 seed.  These are all private schools that these student athletes and their families are paying A LOT of money for their kids educations and it is a joke to say that these schools need to make more.  March Madness is exactly that , let all 8 have a chance and the let the strongest survive.  It only makes the winner stronger and more tested for the NCAA touney.  This is a pathetic excuse for an improvement and whoever decided on this should be ashamed of themselves.  D3 is like the last of the true amateur athletes with the corruption in higher levels and now the nations oldest NCAA conference is now selling out because they aren't making enough money on ticket sales on Wed nite tourney games.  And the class excuse is a joke too.  How much class time does  a basketball player miss truely  (I played and practice vs class always meant going to class. and through the whole season us players did not miss more then 5 days worth of class  (1 or 2 days for each preseason tournament and Friday of of tournament week for the semi-finals) ).  Baseball players miss more then that over a 3 week period of their season.  This is a complete disservice to the student athletes of the MIAA.

When is the last time that 2 opponents both went over 40??
This is like a late 80's west vs east all-star game.  I would be interested to see from someone at the game if the offenses were that GOOD or the defense was that RichRod-like (non-existent that is)