Brad Moore also scored 1,935 career points.

One of the outliers would be Brad Moore (Colby '75) who had 1,392 career rebounds, or an average of 15.3 per game.

Jamie Arsenault, Colby '88, played football, basketball and baseball and played them all very well. 

"My question is when did the "rich and famous" (Choate, Taft, Deerfield, Mt Hermon, etc) decide to go this route - and why?"

As to the when, it has been going on since at least the early 1980s.  Choate, Andover and Exeter each had at least a couple PGs on their basketball teams at that time. 

I completed a PG year at Northfield Mount Hermon (NMH) in that timeframe and played on the basketball team.  Nine of the 13 players on that team were PGs and four ended up playing at Wesleyan, Hamilton, Conn College and Colby.  Of the other PGs, one ended up being All-Ivy at Columbia, another played at LeMoyne and another at Suffolk. At that time, NMH was an extreme case for the group of schools you mentioned. 

Deerfield had no PGs that year, or if they did, they chose poorly as we defeated them by 45 points in the first game of a home and home and the second game was cancelled (not postponed) due to a phantom snow storm that didn't leave a flake on the NMH campus, but somehow buried South Deerfield a mere 15 miles away.  I know Deerfield later took PGs for basketball because Gregg Frame completed a PG year before moving on to Dartmouth.

A few years prior to that Rick Boyages PG'd at NMH before taking over point guard duties at Bowdoin and a few years later Matt Hancock PG'd at Exeter before re-writing the record books at Colby.

As to the why for the player, I think it is probably a combination of factors, some of which have been mentioned: the time to mature physically and academically; the opportunity to compete at a higher level athletically and academically than they could at their hometown high school and the hope to play Division 1.  Speaking from my own experience, that one year can do a lot to clear "delusions of grandeur" out of an 18 year-old's head, bring clarity to the greater long-term benefits of attending a NESCAC school and getting playing time versus playing Division 2, or Division 1 at a low to mid-major at a less academically challenging school.

As to the why for the "rich and famous" prep schools, I suspect they likely got tired of playing the Cushings, MCIs and Bridgtons who had PGs and losing to them by wide margins.  At some point, one of the "rich and famous" prep schools started taking PGs just to be competitive with the PG factories and the others followed to a certain extent.  It may have been NMH that started this, but I do not know for sure. 

"...AN embarassing weekend..."

It was truly and embarrassing weekend for Colby and Bowdoin, but a particularly bad weekend for the Mules.  I watched some of each of the Williams/Middlebury vs. Colby/Bowdoin contests.  Williams and Middlebury are clearly the class of the conference: both solid, balanced teams that are consistent and don't do anything to hurt themselves.

I would also note, as it's been mentioned before on this board that the Middlebury broadcast crew is outstanding.  The Williams broadcast team...well the inanity forced me to turn off the sound.  In the seemingly likely event that Williams hosts the NESCAC Final Four will the Middlebury team still broadcast?

Amherst has to be careful and get healthy soon...they could easily be 3-6 after playing Williams and Middlebury next weekend and then be looking at a trip to either of those spots in the first round of the NESCACs.

At this point, I don't see how Colby, Amherst or anyone else besides Williams or Middlebury can make the NCAAs without winning the NESCAC tournament.

Quote from: tuftsalumni on February 01, 2010, 03:35:18 PM
I would like to begin by throwing out my take on Bowdoin's best starting five:

G-Dennis Jacobi (1988-92)
G-Kyle Jackson (2005-09)
F-Gregg Fasulo (1974-78)
F-Chris Jerome (1979-83)
C-Joe Williams (1984-88)



Lol.... If Kyle Jackson is in your dream team of the ages for Bowdoin then Bowdoin has serious problems.

Touchet.  What of the Jumbos' starting five?

G-Pat Skerry
G-Chad Onofrio
F-Greg Davis
F-Troy Cooper
F-Bill Ewing

Quote from: Sticks11 on February 01, 2010, 07:53:33 PM
I'm trying to come up with a Colby all-time team but it's hard as many of their best players played before my time.  So I don't want to do a disservice or disrespect anyone I leave out.  But here are some names (more than 5) and hopefully others who are a little more familiar can chime in:

G - Rick Fusco (1980-83), 817 career assists, 260 assists in one season
G - Matt Hancock (1987-90), 3 Time All-American, National Player of the Year 1990, 2,678 career points (4th all-time in D3)
F - Harland Storey (1981-85), 2 Time All-American, 1,710 career points
F - Kevin Whitmore (1988-91), All-American, 1,367 career points
F - Brad Moore (1971-75) All-American, 1,935 career points, 1,392 career rebounds

G - John Daileanes (1989-92), All-American, 1,605 career points
F - Paul Harvey (1975-78), 2 Time All-American, 2,075 career points
G - Mike McGee (1977-79, only played freshman and sophomore years at Colby), All-American, 1,251 career points

That's a solid group you picked and quite accurate I think.  (One clarification, Mike McGee was a foward).  Fusco was an assist and steal machine and the thought of him setting up Hancock and Whitmore is scary.

Quote from: toad22 on January 31, 2010, 07:44:15 PM
For what it's worth, I've heard Harry Sheehy say that Rehnquist is the best player Amherst has ever produced.

From my perspective, I agree with Harry Sheehy, Jim Rehnquist was tough.  I've talked with players from other NESCACs of that era and he was feared.

Also on the Amherst front, there were some pretty good teams in the mid-80s with Groff, Cook, etc. 

Quote from: Sticks11 on January 31, 2010, 12:09:49 PM

Quote from: CWM_42 on January 30, 2010, 09:41:05 PM

I would like to begin by throwing out my take on Bowdoin's best starting five:

G-Dennis Jacobi (1988-92)
G-Kyle Jackson (2005-09)
F-Gregg Fasulo (1974-78)
F-Chris Jerome (1979-83)
C-Joe Williams (1984-88)

No Kyle Petrie??

I have to admit that I saw more of Kyle Jackson than Kyle Petrie, even though they overlapped a bit.  In looking more at the numbers, Jackson leads in games played, but Petrie put up signifcantly more points, rebounds and assists than Jackson during the course of his career.    I could be convinced that Petrie is the better choice. 

Bobo McFarland and Dick Whitmore were certainly Bowdoin's best of the pre 1970s crowd.

There have been no national rankings in the past decade for Colby.  However, the 1984-85 Mules were ranked as high as #2 in the country.  Also, the 1982-83 and 1990-91 Colby teams spring to mind as being Top 10 ranked.  There were others in the 90s.

As we wait for next weekend's matchups, which can't come fast enough, I would like to propose a little exercise.  I would be very interested in having our various posters weigh in with what they believe to be their school's best all-time starting five.  That is, not simply the five best players or highest scorers, but in the hypothetical the most balanced starting five.

While many NESCAC member institutions enjoyed great success prior to 1971, when the league was officially formed, I propose that we focus on the period between 1971 and the present.

I would like to begin by throwing out my take on Bowdoin's best starting five:

G-Dennis Jacobi (1988-92)
G-Kyle Jackson (2005-09)
F-Gregg Fasulo (1974-78)
F-Chris Jerome (1979-83)
C-Joe Williams (1984-88)

Any poll before the New Year is pretty suspect.   In December you have teams ranked based on the prior year's performance with reality obscured by cupcake schedules. Each year, more than half the teams ranked in December have fallen by the wayside come March.

For that matter, looking at the NESCAC, much will be revealed the weekend of January 29 and 30th: Trinity/Amherst travel to Colby/Bowdoin and Williams plays Middlebury. 

Huge win by the P-Bears and conversely huge loss for Colby.  Maybe the commissioner of the CBB can make incidental postseason meetings a tie-breaker for the coveted conference championship.  (For that matter, next week's William-Amherst game could count toward Little Three standings).

I heard from a few different people at the game that once again Hanley off the bench was a difference maker and the Mules were "Caribou, Maine cold" shooting in the second half.  From what I've seen it's Hanley or Wang for Rookie of Year, but please let me know if I'm missing someone.

I thought Trinity, based on the way they've been playing, would give the Jeffs more of a run.  The other two games went pretty much as expected.  Marty Peretz, or Frank Uible, who played well for Bates?

The Panther Palace will be rocking next week.  I'm hoping for two overtime games in the semis.  Have we established the video/audio/gametracker situation there?  Old Guy, can you use some of your clout and get video in place?  Sounds to me like Bucket should be doing play-by-play and you could handle the color.

These are very good observations by Denton and Chalk (Dickie V would be proud).  I attended the two previous Bowdoin-Colby meetings this year.  At Brunswick in November it was a great back and forth game, but the differences for the Polar Bears were frosh Will Hanley bringing some scoring off the bench and some second half put backs by Reid-Sturgis.  A few weeks ago in Waterville, both teams played physical, stifling defense.  In the second half there was a complete dry spell in terms of scoring for both teams, before Colby simply found their shooting touch first.

Both teams have continued to get better throughout the season and appear to be peaking at the right time.  This is going to be a great game. 

PolarBear,

I believe only Amherst, Bates and Tufts simulcast, but I may be wrong.  As I have stated before, it should be mandatory.  GameTracker is better than nothing, but can be painful.