Shameful display from Whitworth tonight in Walla Walla

Bridgeland to Redlands is official: https://www.goredlands.com/sports/mbkb/2019-20/releases/20200415no2d4i

SCIAC just got even more interesting...

Quote from: AlltheKINGSmen99 on April 14, 2020, 03:38:44 PM
Redlands HC job is open.
Ducey is a local legend. Will be interesting to see which direction they go.
Word was the assistant they hired a few years back was being groomed to take over.

I'm guessing it won't be open long, but I'd be surprised if they promoted an assistant. Very curious to see what comes out of Redlands in the next few days. That can be a really attractive job!

A couple great semifinal games tonight. Congrats to Oxy for a gutty win. I'm hoping they pull out a victory tomorrow and that SCIAC ends up as a two-bid conference.

Awesome interview!

Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2019, 12:38:01 PM
A Pomona-Pitzer-Claremont-Mudd-Scripps game. Not sure with the new arena situation where this is better to see now, so we'll see.

Yeah, I'm afraid neither of the current facilities come close to the intensity of Ducey Gym.

I'd add a CMS vs Pomona-Pitzer rivalry game to the list. Both typically at the top of SCIAC, but more interesting is the proximity of the five colleges involved. All right across the street from each other, with gyms just a few hundred yards apart on 6th Street.

I dunno, I kind of think pointing out who is getting votes in the top 25 pool is relevant on a "Top 25 talk" board...

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 28, 2019, 04:01:20 PM
Also, hard to say "Whitworth hasn't been Whitman's stumbling block in the tournament" since they haven't played in the tournament in several years.

Agreed, it would be really hard to say that...which is why I didn't say that. (These silly Whits are hard to keep straight...editing this post with Blues and Pirates!) I said the Blues haven't been the Pirates stumbling block. Simply making the point that the thing that has made the bracket unfair (Blues and Pirates in the same quad) hasn't actually been an issue for the Pirates. Unless you think having the Pirates and CMS in the same grouping was unfair in itself, which I think is a hard case to make.

I'll concede that the Pirates can look like a top-10 team at times, but they can also look like a team that's a lot worse than that. Perhaps I'm valuing consistency more than I should.

I'll also concede that with all the parity it's certainly muddy outside the top few teams. I'm probably hung up on my strong feeling that Pomona is better than the Pirates. I've seen both teams play and would definitely pick Pomona in a head-to-head matchup because they're deeper and more consistent. I know their SOS is weak, but with the win over the Blues and a few good conference wins (CMS twice, Oxy), I think their body of work is stronger than the Pirates.

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 28, 2019, 01:05:55 PM

Quote from: CMSfan on January 28, 2019, 02:54:38 AM

Quote from: TheOsprey on January 27, 2019, 11:10:21 PM
They should have beat Whitman and if it wasn't for the lame NCAA budget; the Pirates would have done some damage the past few years.  Last year, they got beat by a more veteran team. 

You're blaming the NCAA budget for Whitworth losing to CMS two consecutive years?

I'd argue that was an unfair matchup for both teams. Both squads had the capabilities the last two seasons to be at least second weekend programs, but unfortunately had to face off in the first round.

I suppose, but even as a CMS fan I'm not sure the Stags did enough in the regular season either of the last two years to say it was unfair to play a team like Whitworth in the first round. It's not great to have Whitworth and Whitman in the same group for multiple reasons, but Whitman has not actually been Whitworth's stumbling block in the tournament.

My point is this: I think if Whitworth couldn't get past CMS the past two years, it's hard to say they "would have done some damage" in another group. I think it's more accurate to say that Whitworth has been a very good, but not particularly great team recently, despite being highly ranked. And I think they continue to be overrated this year.

I'd be curious to hear a rationale for Whitworth being a top-10 team based on actual results this year. They have a really bad recent loss to Willamette and an also-not-great loss to UT Dallas. Their wins over Linfield and George Fox were awfully close. And unless I'm missing something they have no wins over teams currently receiving votes. They have a strong starting 5 and pass the eye test, but with so many flaws (lack of depth, lack of consistency, etc.) I just find it curious that they continue to get so much love in the polls.

Pomona looks formidable this year. I'd love CMS to find a way to win the SCIAC tournament, but assuming Pomona makes the tournament they could make some noise. I'd take them over Whitworth for sure. Whitworth's top few guys are more talented, but Pomona is more disciplined, deeper, and not as prone to lapses.

Starting to look like Whitworth is overrated again this year.. I'm hoping CMS finds a way to win the SCIAC tournament and gets another crack at them, preferably not in Walla Walla though...Whitman looks awfully good.

Quote from: TheOsprey on January 27, 2019, 11:10:21 PM
They should have beat Whitman and if it wasn't for the lame NCAA budget; the Pirates would have done some damage the past few years.  Last year, they got beat by a more veteran team. 

You're blaming the NCAA budget for Whitworth losing to CMS two consecutive years?

I don't see a top-10 case for Whitworth at this point. I've watched a couple of their games and, yeah, they're good, but they lack depth and consistency. They've lost to UT Dallas and Willamette and I'm not seeing any signature wins. They played Whitman tough at home, but a) rivalry game; b) that game was UGLY all around; c) lol at folks saying they should have beat Whitman or considering that result a tie.

If they can go to Whitman on Tuesday and win, I'll eat my words. More likely, they end up with two more losses to Whitman and if they end up with five losses and no impressive wins, I'm not sure they make the tournament.

It's been a few days and I still can't believe how close CMS came to knocking of #2 and #1 on consecutive nights. Too bad. The Stags represented well, but I guess that elusive trip to the Sweet 16 will have to wait. Hopefully they've got an awesome incoming class to replace help replace everything they're losing.

I'm curious to see where CMS ends up in the top 25...