Chapman women great job Wednesday beating Occidental!
What a great/exciting game!

Fair enough. I hope Chapman figures the system out so their players have a chance to play on the big stage. Thanks for the input!

Serious question here, not trying to be a wise guy nor trying to start conflict. I just want to understand how a team 24-3 is not worthy enough in a field of 60. Yes I understand their strength of schedule is pathetic, but beating any team 5 times is not an easy thing to do. Should they have beaten Whitworth, maybe not, Whitman, should have, Dallas, absolutely. But winning 24 games is an impressive feat to accomplish. Yes La Sierra is not very good, but Chapman still beat them 5 times.

Another question, what SOS number is good to have? 250 below? 300 below? Like i said, not trying to whine or stir up conflict, just looking for the input of what others think.   

I am glad to see this conversation has evolved from everyone hating on Chapman to more reasonable questions pertaining to the NCAA D3 playoffs. 

Quote from: Just Bill on March 03, 2009, 09:57:38 AM

Quote from: The Wiz on March 03, 2009, 03:08:05 AM
I was using the word "pre-season" loosely to define the games before conference play. I didn't know everyone would be so upset with my terminology.

It wasn't your misue of the term, it was your ridiculously defensive posture after someone tried to correct you.

Move along folks.  Nothing to see here.

It clearly was my misuse of the term because that is what everyone corrected me on. I was just trying to emphasize independent team seasons vs. teams in a league. 

I was using the word "pre-season" loosely to define the games before conference play. I didn't know everyone would be so upset with my terminology.

Regardless of all the technical data, words, facts, rules, etc. you want to throw my way, the fact remains Independents do not have the benefit of participating in league where they can receive an automatic bid. I don't understand why this is such a complex point to understand.

Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2009, 08:00:38 PM

Quote from: The Wiz on March 02, 2009, 12:35:23 PM
Besides the Cactus Jam, are there any more tournaments that allow for more West region match-ups?

Wiz, there are sports travel companies that arrange these tourneys all over the country.The coaches associations know which companies are best for the various needs.

Thank you. Hopefully Chapman will invest sometime into speaking with such companies.

What your failing to get is the fact that teams in a league can get a chance to redeem a loss in league play. As an independent, they don't have the same luxury. Therefore the word "pre-season" applies to "pre-league play". Is that better for you to understand since the word pre-season is throwing you for a loop?

But, they did win so they didn't have to worry about it. Back to my point about three seasons in one! You can redeem a lost by winning an AQ!

So once again I say, YOUR WRONG!

I was at the game when CMS played Whitworth and it was a great game!
The Stags came out hot and kept the intensity up all game and ended up victorious.
I think it will be another close game, but Whitworth at home gives them an edge.

Besides the Cactus Jam, are there any more tournaments that allow for more West region match-ups?

Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on March 02, 2009, 09:16:05 AM
For the love of God... there is no PRE-SEASON!!! It is out-of-conference play. If it was pre-season, the games wouldn't count!!!

Your wrong! Couldn't disagree with you more! Are you trying to tell me when Claremont played Chapman the first game of the year and loss, that wasn't apart of their pre-season? When you are in a league, you can erase your games before league (pre-season) by doing well in your league! For independents, losing to a in region D-3 game as the first game of the year will haunt you because you can't redeem yourself in a league. It doesn't matter if they are out of conference, the D-3 games still count for your in region record/OWP! So once again I say...YOUR WRONG!

I just feel if you are in a league, it is easier to get a bid. Regardless of how you do in the pre-season, a team can turn it on during league, qualify for the league post season tourney, win the tourney and receive an automatic bid. Unfortunately for independents, they don't have this luxury. A loss in the first game has the same effect as a loss as the last game.

I suspect you'd find it even more unfortunate if Pool B did not exist - I think only Elms could make it in as a Pool C.
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Let me correct myself then, every team should be in a league where all teams have a spot to get an automatic bid. Is that better for you?