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Chez Angeloni RHP Johns Hopkins was signed by the Boston Red Sox. He will be headed to Florida to play in the Golf coast League.

Jeremiah Bayer is currently with the red sox. Former enemies, Bayer beat Angeloni's bluejays in the national championship in 08, Angeloni ruined Trinity's perfect season and the bluejays nearly took that series - they will likely be teammates at some point.

Good luck to both.

Call every scout and their boss. Constantly remind teams of
Ur self. Ask to b onthe short list for post draft pitchers. And good luck

Jeremiah bayer redsox 30th rd pic

You hit the ball out of the park with that one!
How did i miss him?

Well of course i am looking for some other hitters who also had big years and summer success last year. I've been scanning the summer baseball blogs and trying to do some research but i wanted to open up this board to more discussion of hitters despite the fact that 60% of those drafted will be pitchers.

Long day, heading to virginia for an 18U tourny...

Thats interesting, i would say more likely he is like bronson, drafted as a jr late - returns for sr. year and will get drafted again. we will see tho 

What do people think about Zeb Engle? Great stuff, great kid, deserves a chance...

Who are the best D3 hitters going into the draft?

Amen

They were dominant, no doubt. But who beat them? And who was one out away from being the only team to beat them all year, and do it twice? And who had to play them and have their starter go on 2 days rest vs 3 days, and get through a whitewater slugfest to get to the championship. And mind you, in the winners bracket game of that 2008 series, those in attendance will remember a Tony Marve ground rule double that was inches from scoring more runs  late in the game that allowed trinity to sit pretty on championship day.

Yes, a disgruntled fan sobbing over missed oportunities. But i think these circumstances mean you have to include 08 JHU in this discussion. That roster was stacked!

Well said. But i would be cautious in claiming that D3 players who can play and are projectable don't fly beneath the radar. Sounds like your son was very successful and fortunate, and no doubt he benefited from having a great baseball dad But the simple fact is that i have seen plenty of players fly under the radar, and some of them were just scratching the surface of their potential. There have been too many D3 heartbreaks in my opinion, and i have watched many great players miss their opportunity largely b/c they are D3.

Quote from: infielddad on June 04, 2009, 03:08:36 PM
"Yes the MLB scouting bureau does miss a lot of players. And Baseball America's draft map and state by state prospects lists include several players that no organizations are considering in the draft.

I think the sox took an arm in the 4th round last year that wasn't on a single list and they paid him 1 mil. "

DSK,  Wouldn't that player have been on some draft list for the scouting bureau or  team?
In order to be drafted, the players name must be submitted to MLB in advance of the draft and the player must be assigned a draft number, even if he isn't drafted.
Baseball America would not be submitting names to MLB.  I am confused when you say that 4th rounder was not on a single list.  He had to be on some list and had his name submitted in advance.  He could not have been drafted based on Baseball America listing him. Also, since the complete draft list isn't available anywhere, to my knowledge, I am uncertain why you would say the player was not on a single draft list when only someone in MLB would likely have access to the entire list...unless that is you!

I was simply regurgitating a conversation i had with a sox scout today. I asked about the lack of some prospects that i know of in the MLB.com draft database and baseball america's lists. He responded with the anecdote of thier 4th rd draft pick who he said, "was on nobodies list and we signed im for 1 mil." He was giving me the impression that there are many holes in those databases not only for d3 prospects but also top round talent. What i mean by nobodies list is that no scouts put that players name in for the draft. Whether bird dog, area scout, or higher, no teams decided that this specific pitcher was going to be one of the names they would bring up in meetings as someone they should take at any point. That being said it makes sense that the sox had a report on this guy and they simply must have provided his name for the mlb. But again, he was on no one lses list - to be vague once again 

Jim,
sure, and of course that would be consistent with historical drafts and d3 players aside from the outliers like Zimmerman. Am i right to say that we usually see a name we recognize in about the 16th or 17th rd.

I believe these are your own updates from last year...

506. Frank Pfister, Emory by Cincinnati (17)
643. Adan Frost, St, Norbert by Detroit (21)
738. Nelson Gomez, Keystone by Arizona (24)
782. Shane Wolf, Ithaca by Houston (26)
699. Chick Huggins, UCSB by Toronto (23) - played at Trinty (Texas)
829. Tm Kiely, Trinity (Conn) by Arizona (27)

Notice Kiley taken later than expected in my book b/c he was simply dominant with that unbelievable statistic of only 1 walk (i think) leading to the world series and a 90mph fb to boot.

The polls have spoken and people think Bayer will be the first out of the box, but i equate Bayer and Kiley as having equally impressive and dominant seasons statistically yet i give Kiley the edge due to his MLB FB. So i caution anyone putting their money on the fact that Bayer would go higher than Kiley went last year b/c i think scouts told us how much they way dominant D3 #s in the decision process by letting Kiley hang around till the 27th.

Note again, Kiley did have Tjs his soph yr so he may have been higher on peoples boards sans an injury - he also through several times at Fenway for Boston leading up to the draft according to an article put out by his highschool. I just don't see Bayer that high stuff wise nor do i see him impressing too many in pre draft workouts. He is at his best getting batters out and pitching intelligently, not throwing in front scouts on guns. I think his #s and dominance will get him a shot, a late round shot.

Yes the MLB scouting bureau does miss a lot of players. And Baseball America's draft map and state by state prospects lists include several players that no organizations are considering in the draft.

I think the sox took an arm in the 4th round last year that wasn't on a single list and they paid him 1 mil.

I would not be surprised if we don't start seeing D3 guys go till about rd 25, even with my earlier post with Tone and Angeloni - they could potentially start us off in the mid 20s.

The fact is that D3 players are low profile sr. signees. Does anyone out there know any players that might have a large profile (summer success and or heavily scouted juniors)?

Wow! great work. Can you say which of those players has a video available?

Quote from: Hammer Ball on June 02, 2009, 01:28:37 PM
Why would BA omit him from the top players from DE, MD, WV & DC?

Can't say. Most likely it can be explained by what i said in my earlier post about BA. Solid D3 prospects are kept quiet by MLB scouts b/c they know that their guy can stay under the radar at the D3 level. The mid-atlantic is solid but nothing special, i am surprised that no blue jays mad the list.

BA has many prospects on the state by state reports that go undrafted and more still that aren't on there that get drafted and do well. Last years mid atlantic featured Rob Pietroforte and Jonas Fester of Johns Hopkins, but unfortunately neither got drafted.

HammerBall, great insights!

It is true that D3 is at a disadvantage b/c they tend to only have a few guys on the field who garner some notes in a scouts notebook.

But the other big factor is scheduling.

D3 baseball is done while D1 baseball is still going close to the draft, therefore scouts are forced to work with a small window. On top of that, teams best pitchers are usually saved for their weekend doubleheader or conference game, this causes scheduling conflicts if the player (in this case a pitcher) is not already high on organization follow lists. If for instance, you have a good d3 prospect pitcher who is on every mlb follow list, and throughout the year he has weekend start after weekend start, he might get overlooked and will at least be placed on the back burner b/c all the regions D1 best pitchers are going to work on those days as well ( and if you are D1 pitching prospect who has turned heads then e/a team will make a note not too only follow, but to at least check the player out once or call a friendly scout for some quick notes. That being said, if a D3 pitcher has something to look at, like good 90s velocity, and a scout gets out to see him thanks to his coaches, scouts will have no reservations about coming out to D3 games for the rest of the year. They go where the talent is and if there is something worthwhile they will miss those D1 games for a solid D3 prospect. Its about getting noticed, making a good impression, and showing them something to make them want to come back.

Quote from: d3baseballnut on June 01, 2009, 04:40:32 PM
I'm sorry, but I do not believe Dean Lagonasky from Haverford deserved to get drafted last year, or to be on the d3baseball.com poll.

He hit a combined 99-294 (.337) over his junior and senior years. Are you kidding me? If the centennial conference is that good, where an OF can get drafted after hitting .337, it should get 5 teams in the tournament next year.

How in the world can a kid hit (.337) with a metal bat against Washington, Swarthmore, and Dickinson, and

a.) be productive at the next level, and

b.) get chosen over so many other players with incredible numbers that play in better leagues?

You can't tell me you would logically take him over Todd Emr (.465 over last 2 years) or Brian Youchak

.....this is soooo confusing....

I can help clarify...

Dean Lagonowski undoubtedly deserves a spot on this poll as he was drafted as a junior and returned for his sr season.

While he has no bargaining power b/c he will not get any slot money and he will be a sr. signee it is reasonable to assume that whatever factors led to his drafting as a Jr are still in play.

He has good speed and lots of upside in my opinion. he impressed scouts after his soph yr in summer ball and i also think he has some connection to a front office whether it be friend/family etc. No matter the case, despite of his numbers the draft is about upside and tools...

Emr is arguably the best d3 hitter in the nation throughout his career. He can flat out square balls up but he lacks the power that teams will want out of a lefty his size. If he can play 2b like some teams are asking then his raw hitting ability and plus plus glove will become great assets. If he cannot fit in at 2b he will be stuck at 1b where he does not stand a chance as he is not a long ball threat. Good luck to Emr who could be a late rd signee or a free agent signee!

Youchack is extremely tooly, i know that he is returning to JHU to use up his eligability. He needs to impress some scouts this summer and he could be a legitimate draft choice. He has a strong arm and plus speed to go along with decent power for a player his size. Youchak would show very well at a draft workout or open tryout, but those Hopkins players tend to have a different agenda as they ussuallly spend there summers in labs!
That is why no one on this poll will be the first drafted.

two years ago Jordan Zimmerman was taken by the nats in the seccond round at pick #67. this happened b/c the previous summer Zimmermann led all pitchers in the Northwoods League with a 1.01 earned run average and finished second with 92 strikeouts In 80.0 innings of work. Zimmermann was named the Northwoods League Player of the Night three times during the 2006 season. In those three appearances, Zimmermann pitched 26.1 innings and allowed only one earned run on eight hits while striking out 34 batters. Zimmermann was named to both regular season and post season Northwoods League All-Star teams.
During those dominant starts he flashed a 93-95 mph heater that topped out at 97! earning him a spot on the northwoods top prospect list and landed him in BA's top 100 prospects. Those accomplishments alone led to him getting drafted at 67, which turned out to be kind of late due to minor non-throwing injuries early sr year. His status as 2007 cws mvp was the last bit of buzz that told teams to ignore the minor injuries.

Last year Kulik and Yacko were drafted earliest at 245 and 257 respectively. Both players performed well in front of numerous mid level scouts in the Cape (kulik) and Northwoods (Yacko). Kulik had great strike out numbers as well as great pitchability and good velocity for a lefty on top of his all important summer success. Yacko had great arm strength for a rhp sitting at 89-92 and touching 93 almost every time out. He also displayed a great swing and miss slider that rates as a plus pitch. Both of these players displayed great tools on big stages in the summer.

I cannot speak fr every player on that poll. But i am going to put in my 2 cents.

We do not to my knowledge have a very tooly player who tore up summer leagues and was named to a top prospect list therfore the first day should be all quiet on the the D3 front.

Bayer, Gilblair, and Wiley...

No doubt that they all deserve a sot to play. It is likely that one or more of these three will have to go undrafted and sign as a free agent. Being named POY is an unbelieveable honor that will last Bayer's lifetime but iyt will not get him drafted, it will only put another plus on his report that he has accolades, is a winner (2008), a great competitor, and very very consistent. Bayer uses an 86-88 mph sinker which will impress some for its movement but standing alone will not turn anyheads. His numbers are his best friend b/c the low era suggests he will be able to follow in Kiley's footsteps (scouts will know about Kiley and expect the same from Bayer and it helps that Tim is performing very well). Bayer should be a late rd sr. signee expecting $1,000 but only he knows if he has been aproached by the scout willing to take the chance on him.

Gilblair is an interesting case and he is my pick for a free agent signee. Mostly due to his injuries. Scouts will definitly shy away from a d3 player with injuries uness he is absolutely electic. He has enormous pitchability with good control of at least 3 pitches and similar to bayer mid to high 80s velocity. His greatest atribute is his summer success 2 years ago in the necbl. Get this! he was name top pitcher of the year in 07, while Steven Strasburg recieved top prospect and top reliever. Thats right he out performed Strasburg who out impressed scouts with his raw fastball - but he showed he can compete at the highest level and succedd! Awesome! Scouts definitly took note and he would certainly be a late round sr. signee if not for the injuries. Given a workout postdraft or pre draft, teams will recognize the way he carries himself on the field, smooth hands at the plate, and solid pitchability, remeber 07 and he will get his chance.

Wiley is an interesting case. He lacks the numbers of Bayer yet is almost identical. He is a mid to high 80s sinkerballer. Unfortunately, with out great numbers or major summer success (i could be wrong i don't know about his summer) he simply lacks the arm strength to get to the next level. He will need to have scouts already interested, maybe close to his program, and he will need to be given an opportunity - but no doubts that he will be able to get outs at the next level.

Kelleen is a sound catcher and a great bat at the D3 level. I do not know about his summers so i will hold off on judging his draft. Keep in mind that D3 catchers are more valuable for their defense as no scout respects success at the plate against d3 pitching. It is too easy to succeed with major flaws in one's swing at the d3 level so offensive nubers can almost be ignored outside of great power.

I believe the first player will be taken in the 12-16th rounds and i think it will be Matt Tone or Chez Angeloni. This is b/c d3 players taken first are drafted for their raw tools.

Neither pitcher performed as well in their sr. season as they did as jrs when both made it to Wisconsin and Angeloni was named MOP. But both have displayed some of the top tools as d3 pitchers.

Tone has to take the top spot as he is the hard throwing lefty. I believe he will work as a good reliever at the next level, same for Angeloni. Tone has shown an 87-90mph heater that scouts have reported can touch 93. He sits around 83-86 however with what scouts say is a bit of a cutter. He has good feel for off speed but not enough to be considered a definite starter at the next level.

Angeloni has good tools as well, his fastball is 89-92 mph and scouts have seen it top out at 94. he too pitches at 84-86 with sinker that has sharpe and late movement down and in. Angeloni also shows a plus slider at times but scouts say it is inconsistent and needs to become repeatable if he can be a dominant force out of the pen. Both pitchers rely too heavily on the mid 80's movement to be considered legitimate starter prospects at the next level. Angeloni has very mediocre career #s especially at the D3 level but he his the arm strength and movement should nullify them especially since scouts will see him as a reliever.

Both pitchers have been scouted multiple times by area scouts and should be worked out before the draft which bodes well for the mid rounds that i predict will be when the first players are taken.

I cannot speak on any other players either on the poll or off except for Wade Kitchens who i could say a ton about but will save that for another post. Hope he is doing well recovering from his injury. Sorry Wade, great career, and good luck!

Please add your own scouting reports from other players... namely the ones on the poll who i couldn't. Also, anyone have a good handle on Northwestern D3 prospects and maybe some of them Wisconsin guys that i can't give any info on...

Sorry to be long winded. Hope this helps.

Thanks, good luck to all!