I don't often post here, but am a Wheaton graduate living about 20 miles from IWU.  I was there in person Wednesday.  I agree that Wheaton had trouble with refs off and on especially in the first half.  Wouldn't say they were all bad calls, but didn't seem as closely called at the other end.  What you couldn't see on TV was that Coach Scherer was constantly in conversation with the refs and often directed back to his bench by them during almost all of the first half.

Dennis Bridges did happen to stop near me at the end of the game to talk to a friend and made a comment I heard.  I don't have the exact words words he said, but he was impressed with Ashton Francis and wondered how Wheaton lost by so much to Millikin.

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Breakdown of the Wheaton roster by state.  Also contains a link to this year's roster.
http://athletics.wheaton.edu/news/2016/8/13/2016-thunder-football-roster.aspx

Wheaton guys, help pls.

I have to wonder how many of the newbies from far flung places like SC, LA, NV, MA, SC, & etc., basically initially recruited themselves to Wheaton as opposed to the WC staff going out and beating the bushes in several of the more distant states. I would think that WC is well known to Christian preps even if they live pretty far from school, and as such, the initial contact is on the part of the recruit as opposed to being initiated by the WC staff.
If this is the case, its a great plus for the Orange & Blue. Nice savings of both time and $.

Here is my understanding, which may not be 100% accurate, but close in principle.

Recruiting from "far flung" places is generally NOT initiated by the player/student.

It is often initiated by football alum, who clearly understand the type of player Coach Swider is looking for, and the type of individual the college is looking for.  Former players may see or know someone playing for a local high school and will then refer them to the coaching staff.  If after initial conversations there is interest and coaches have looked at the video highlights, then the recruit will be included on one of the recruiting trips or the player will visit the school.

I'm sure there are some recruits who "know" about Wheaton and proactively reach out on their own, but my guess is those make up a very, very small percent of the cases.  In fact I'd argue the opposite is true.  Wheaton likely has to spend more money and time due to the fact they must go to "far flung" areas to recruit in order to find players that match the criteria necessary to attend Wheaton - and oh by the way, have potential to be excellent football players.

What I do know for certain, is once Wheaton gets one recruit from a high school in a remote state (Texas, California, etc...), particularly if it is a Christian school, there is a high probability they will get future recruits down the line.  The player/alum becomes an advocate to others from that high school. 

Case in point, just look at this years roster, you don't need to go far down the roster to find different players from the same school, but are in different classes (and they aren't related).  If you look at rosters over the past years, you'd see a player from a school in Texas from 10 years ago, and there will be a new player on the current roster from the same school.  Alum become advocates for future recruits.

This does not happen due to the recruit initiating the process, and without the staff spending time & money.

I played football my first two years at Wheaton in the late 60's.  I was there because of a long family history with the school and so were some of my teammates.  Some of my teammates were in the same situation, but it seemed that most others had connections to alumni via their church community or high school personnel.  I think there was very little recruiting back then and many came of not only a church connection, but also because the success of coach Harvey Chrouser.  Today, there is seems to be quite a bit of online networking for Wheaton like may other schools, but I do think the church connection is still a major factor. 

Quote from: Mugsy on November 07, 2015, 05:32:37 PM
Wheaton better get their punting in order.  Way more short fields than necessary.   If not for the defense bowing up on real short field after less than 20 yard punts, this game might not have been a W.

The punting was horrible especially in third quarter.  I was standing behind the wheaton team in the end zone and the wind was blowing enough to stop the punt's forward progress and the ball fell almost straight down.  Since more windy days are very likely, they do need to do something about their punting.

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Peoria paper article on Augie vs Bradley:

http://www.pjstar.com/article/20141106/SPORTS/141109359/10930/SPORTS

This probably one of the worst Bradley teams in years, but this is still a very impressive win for the Augie pre-med team.

Quote from: iwu70 on March 11, 2014, 09:59:13 PM
Even with the issues caused by Spring break, students being gone, I'd expect Calvin and Wheaton (perhaps Dickinson, too -- who knows?) to travel well and provide good crowds at Shirk this weekend.  Of course, if the Titans advance, there will be a sell-out or near sell-out on Saturday night for the championship game.  Calvin will be a tough out for the Titans, but I do expect another IWU-WC game for the berth in Salem. 

Mark, your loyalty to NPU is commendable, to say the least, -- seems NPU's football program has a much better potential, opportunity for breaking into the top four than the basketball program, Juwan Henry notwithstanding.  IMHO.

My prediction for this weekend -- IWU over Calvin by 3, WC over Dickinson by 12.

Some really great games on tap in so many of the sectionals around the country -- men and women.  Carthage women have a great challenge playing defending national champs DePauw on their home floor.

Go CCIW!  GO TITANS!

IWU70

Wheaton is also on spring break this week I think.

Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 23, 2013, 04:33:08 PM
I'm sorry to have to report that one of the grand old men among CCIW fans, Dave McCarrell, has passed away at the age of 82. A graduate of Wheaton College and the former head football coach of North Park Academy and Niles North, Dave ran the Pacific Garden Mission, a ministry to homeless men in downtown Chicago, for 17 years. His brother Dan "the Chief" McCarrell, who succeeded him as the head football coach at North Park Academy, was the head coach for the first three of NPU's five national championships, and Dave's daughter Chris McCarrell Horner was inducted into the Viking Hall of Fame just three weeks ago in recognition of her fine volleyball career at NPU. (Her husband is former NPU star basketball center Marc Horner.)

Dave was a regular presence at Wheaton games in King Arena, and he was a frequent visitor to the crackerbox as well (especially in recent years, as his grandson, Trent Kucera, has played for the Vikings for the past two seasons). Peace to his memory.

Dave was my coach at Niles many years ago.  While he was fine Christian man, he never held back as our coach.  I'm sure he is resting in peace!!!

Quote from: markerickson on March 07, 2013, 03:26:58 PM
Greg:  I don't think you will find a post of mine concerning split pea soup.  I think someone commented, knowing that I live in Skokie, which at one point had more Holocaust survivors per capita than any community in the nation, has a large large Jewish presence.

Earlier in 2013 I visited the Holocaust Museum and Education Center to watch the world premier of Skokie: Invaded, But Not Forgotten.  The movie focused on the group of neo-Nazis that wanted to march in Skokie in the late 1970s.  The Illinois chapter of the ACLU, led by a Jew, represented the head of the "social movement."  The movie had lots of archival footage and interviewed survivors and the ACLU attorneys who are now at least 75 years old.  WTTW has aired the movie since.  I recommend the movie (59 minutes).

I find it kind of odd that Skokie's Niles North HS currently offers more sections of Hebrew than any other foreign language and does not offer Greek or Latin.  However, I don't think the varsity boys basketball team has a single Jew.  I went to their game last night against top-seeded Maine South.  NN's star, Malachi Nix, passed NPU alum Nick Williams as the program's all-time leading scorer earlier this year.  (Williams made a pre-game presentation after his scoring record had been broken.)  Nix, who scored 39 points in the regional final last week against Loyola in Loyola's own gym (30 in the second half), finished with 18 points en route to a 45-44 victory against Maine South. 

I'm trying to get Malachi to go to North Park.

I grew up in Skokie and graduated from Niles East in late 60's (of 16 Candles fame) and what you describe as lack of Jewish players on the teams was very common in these schools back then too.  My high school was about 90% Jewish and had 2000+ studnets.  I don't want to offend anyone, but myself and many of my friends observed that the Jewish students in our school really excelled at individual sports like swimming, gymnastics, baseball, tennis, wrestling, etc.  On the other side, they were usually a small part of basketball and football teams.

Quote from: izzy stradlin on January 28, 2013, 07:31:19 PM
The final 2 min plus OT in the NCC-Wheaton game for anyone that missed it. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kppJLcdU9ys

Great video showing why we all love this level of basketball.  Most anyone would enjoy this except maybe NC fans and students.  The NC students did have a very vocal group of supporters that could be heard too!  Different view than Wheaton broadcast so you can see what was blocked on the broadcast last Saturday

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That has to rank among the top wins by a CCIW school.

While it was a bit before my time, and the opponent wasn't D1 yet, I'm guessing most IWU fans would choose the win over ISU and Doug Collins in 1970 as their favorite win over a "big" school.

I wasn't around either, but still my favorite IWU radio call archive...

http://www.iwuhoops.com/isu.htm

PS  I don't think Doug Collins was on that 1969-70 ISU team...I think he got to ISU for the 1970-71 season.  I could be wrong.

Collins entered ISU as a freshman in 1969.  Collins was highly touted as a Will Robinson recruit. He was a handful as a skinny freshmen out of Benton (Illinois) High School. He threw an almost full court pass late in that last ISU/IWU in a desperate attempt by ISU to score.

I attended ISU grad school from fall of 68 to spring of 70.  68-69 ISU team made the final small school tournament in Evansville, IN.  They were one of the highest scoring teams in the country and lost to the school that claimed to have the world's greatest defense as they gave up about 40 points a game (can't remember the name, but Bill Musselman was the coach).  That defense held them down and ended that season. 

ISU wanted to go big time and Jim Collie (?) the long term coach retired or resigned.  Robertson came in and brought a lot of players had previously worked with plus a freshman, Doug Collins.  A roster turnover of of about 90%.  I did enjoy watching Collins as he pretty much could do whatever he wanted with Robertson's lack of discipline approach.

As far as playing small schools like IWU or any other CCIW school, it is hard for bigger schools as they are expected to win, but a loss is a real embarrassment and can affect their post season opportunities. 

Peoria Journal Star article on Michael Berg who is attending Wheaton next year:

http://www.pjstar.com/preps/players/x586832910/JS-Small-School-Boys-Basketball-Player-of-the-Year-Michael-Berg-Midwest-Central

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This brings up a whole new issue in my mind. If the very manufacturer of the costume chooses to list the mastodon under the "elephants" category, they must hold the belief that the modern day elephant EVOLVED from the mastodon.

If the "crusader" was rejected, it seems that the mastodon as a choice might give the impression that Wheaton, as an institution, believes in the theory of evolution...Wait! What?

Actually, Good pickup.  Yes, Wheaton does not dismiss evolution.   Differing from some Christian institutions, Wheaton takes the sciences very seriously and anyone who does this knows the bible is not a scientific book.

Good point as some people think Christian denominations are all or nothing when it comes to scientific theories of evolution.

I took two Intro level Geology classes at Wheaton in 1965 (I don't think there has been a change in approach yet) and my professor did an excellent job of staying in middle.  He did not take a strong position on either side and taught us a lot about science might support how he reads the Bible. 

While Wheaton is a conservative Christian school, I would say they are far from the most conservative gschools out there.  I get a kick out of the jabs you all give Wheaton and would love to see your comments on some of the more extreme schools. 

If someone who is leaving on Friday for the games is up for bringing cookies to the guys, I will overnight you a big box tomorrow, and for your courier fee you can keep some...


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Here's a way to get those cookies to the Wheaton team.  My sister works in the Development Office at Wheaton and all the guys in the office go to the Wheaton games.  When I can go, I get my tickets through her.  Contact her at pamela.s.munn@wheaton.edu and she will know if she has someone going to the game Friday.  Then you can send the cookies to her at the office and she will get them carried to Whitewater.  I haven't told her about this so a little explanation may be needed (I'll copy this and send it to her).

You can get a very good audio on Wheaton site, but no video tonight. 

http://www2.wheaton.edu/learnres/mediares/WETN/wetn_livewindow/WETN-Radio.html

Quote from: Titan Q on January 05, 2012, 12:09:18 PM
Also worth mention on the IWU/WC game is the return of 6-3 sophomore guard Jon DeMoss for Wheaton - he played his first minutes of the year last night (8 total). 

DeMoss started 19 games for Wheaton last year, averaging 8.0 ppg and 2.5 rpg.  He provides even more perimeter depth for the Thunder, who also have 6-3 Jr Nate Serenius (19.5 min/game) and 6-0 So Tad Fisher (11.1 min/game) coming off the bench.

Post depth is Wheaton's real issue though.  They could probably use Midwest Central's Michael Berg this season.

I've traveled from Peoria to attend this game for over 25 years as a Wheaton alumni with two daughters who graduated from Wesleyan.  I think post depth was a real issue for Wheaton too.  MacCreary seemed to get frustrated with the changing the opposition player and it seemed to be more obvious especially when Zeminic (spelling?) guarded him.  It was almost like a linebacker covering him, but the referees were fair as far as the fouls went.  I think Wheaton's poor outside shooting had a lot to IWU's defense.  Both teams seemed to be well prepared and there was a lot of respect for each other.  I think they will both be a difficult challenge for Augie.

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Not sure how Wheaton is ranked higher than IWU with IWU winning the head to head and their only loss is to a team ranked higher than both of them.

So if Wheaton wins Saturday, where do you rank the three teams?

I think you may see Wheaton ranked ahead of both teams in the polls and the regional rankings.

I think many believe if Wheaton & IWU were to play 10 times Wheaton would win 8-9 of them.  Wheaton is the better team who got beat in a close game on the road.

I saw the IWU/Wheaton game and, as a Wheaton fan, I believe Wheaton could play much better; but I think the IWU effort was also a factor in Wheaton playing poorly.  I'm not sure who would win the majority if they played ten times, but it would be fun to watch!