Quote from: Bombers798891 on December 08, 2010, 12:29:41 AM
Bombers only take 18 3-pointers, and a mere 6 in the 2nd half; nice change of pace.

The Great Sean Rossi Conspiracy continues to pick up steam. We've now cajoled Elmira into giving him 11. To quote Montgomery Burns: "It's all falling into place."

So both teams picked up technicals, and there were 40 personal fouls tonight. Anyone at the game want to comment on that? Was it chippy?

I didn't think so.   There was one slight pushing incident with about five minutes left that created one technical and one intentional foul call on Elmira that was executed so dumb as to be intentional but not dirty or dangerous.

Elmira got down 20 early and pressed the rest of the game and then fouled a lot when beat.  They also fouled about five or six times in the last two minutes to stop the clock.

But no real nonsense with the two teams.

I understand and agree Ithaca and SJF will be in the top four.  As I said in the summer, watch out for Hartwick, I fully expect them in the top four, they are a program to watch out for.

I saw Elmiras game against SUNY-Cortand and the game was closer than the score, Elmira folded badly in the last ten minutes.  And yes, for 2010 the top teams in the league don't have a great deal to worry about here but the freshman are clearly the most talented guys on the team and show that Torgalski can attract a higher caliber of player to Elmira.   

Quote from: FROMAFAR on October 19, 2010, 10:34:00 AM
OK Bomber 3 my turn.... I think I have enough info to be wrong........not sure of s couple of opponents yet so recerve the right to be off by a couple out of Conference.

Tigers.....
Out of Conference...
College of staten Island - away
Wendy's Classic
Oswego Home
Waynesburg- (Brodie Tourney)
D'Youville- Home
Rochester- Away


I am going with----6-3 non conference ( looks like 9 games)...

Conference 12-4--- 18-7 ..........

E-8 standings......................

IC-----------Experience and talent
RIT----------Experience
Fisher------Coaching and reputation
NAZ---------Always there
Hartwick---Upcoming and good coach
Alfred-------PEP says good recruits?
Utica--------Unorganized.. needs new look
Stevens----lost Heart and talent.. starting all over- hayne recruits gone.
Elmira------Needs a lot of help...


You could flip.... NAZ and WICK..... The bottom 4 could flip around in any order BUT will be the botton the 4.   13 wins takes first place. Not many winns in bottom 4.

Not meant to demeanor any teams coaches or players, just a guy giving his opinion.. What do I know


I would rather not demean any players either, but considering what Connelly left behind at Elmira (which showed pretty brutal recruiting) it's hard to see how things won't just keep going downhill at Utica.  What a strange hire he was.  So I think they head to last.

Otherwise this list makes sense, I do like Hartwick to crack that top four this year.

Quote from: bomber3 on September 24, 2010, 09:17:27 AM
E8GUY:

In response to: "Ithaca better watch their back"

There might be other teams improving but you are forgetting this is a 20 win team last year that is returning most of their offense (heard one bench player/marginal starter probably isn't playing).  They have one of the best young point guards in the nation and a preseason all-american at forward.  I promise you they are not preparing for the season with Elmira even on their radar.  Utica might be because I thought they underachieved a bit last year and also heard they're bringing in some studs.  Elmira has won 23 games over the past SIX years.  Ithaca is averaging 22 wins a season over the past two.
Until they beat a top 6 E9 team they aren't much of a threat.

Although their schedule hasn't been published Ithaca has a very tough schedule I'm told.  Their non-conference schedule includes several ranked teams as well as several other NCAA teams from last year.

Will post a video for one of IC's freshman recruits later. 

That's all fine and I agree, if the only thing we can discuss is 2010 no reason For Ithaca to worry about Elmira at all.  But that is changing.  And interestingly, you discussed Ithaca/Elmira after cutting and pasting a comment I made after discussing the Hartwick program.  Not Elmira.

I think Torgalski is an excellent fit at Elmira and things are improving there.  I also think best case scenerio at Elmira is become a solid program who can be more of a spoiler.  Hartwick, on the other hand, can become a true force in the league.  Great college town, a basketball tradition, and a young energiic coach who already knows the school and the league.  And just close enough to NYC, NJ, and Long Island to recruit them effectively.

So yes, I believe these teams are improving and will continue to do so.   And I also think that will make Ithaca's life more difficult.

Quote from: FROMAFAR on September 23, 2010, 01:13:46 PM
Bomber 3 I love it.......... your right, we may even get the whole final 4 if they move people out of the area.   No really this is great stuff. Now we have Utica and Elmira guys, along with IC, Fisher, RIT, Stevens ( I assume Cyclone, although only committed knowledge not allegiance) , of course PEP from Alfred,.   I still don't have Hartwick blood, and I thought they had a shot at the 4 spot until I heard of all these studs coming.  Looks like Hartwick.. Stevens and RIT don't boast any big new additions yet??? BUT what do I know   I have a feeling this is going to be fun year.     

As for Hartwick the last I heard Todd had eight firm commitments, and he is on a serious mission to upgrade that program.  He is a very engaging guy, with true integrity too, and the town is an easier sell than many other E-8 locations for downstate talent.

Elmira has a fabulous class but Hartwick is the easy bet to become an annual force if McGuinness stays.  They have a lot going for them.

The school that needs to watch their back is Ithaca, they already killed the JV, what other downgrades are coming?  With more competition from past also rans they will not be able to rest on past successes.

Quote from: hugenerd on September 20, 2010, 08:15:37 PM
Elmira apparently has another pretty good freshman on campus, a 6'4" point guard out of Maryland, Derrick Vogel.  Here is a clip of him with 7 steals in the first half of a high school game:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3mtZv5lrQY&feature=related

Vogel is only 6'2 but is a very legit player and should make an impact freshman year.  The guy hitting all the threes on passes from Derrick is also enrolled at Elmira, and Smajovic will be a rookie of the year candidate.

The Elmira class is deep and talented.

The days of expecting an automatic win at Elmira are over.