Quote from: jam40jeff on November 02, 2011, 11:16:35 AM

Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on October 31, 2011, 12:22:13 PM
With that said, I share ADL70's viewpoint completely.  I'm all for enforcing sportsmanship, but I believe that the NCAA rule is TOO stringent, and I'm not a bit fan of penalizing the sheer exuberance of an athlete caught up in the excitement of a big play.  Pre-meditated touchdown dances bother me a lot more than kids holding the ball up in excitement a few yards before crossing the goal line.

I agree that the penalty is a little too harsh, but what the kid did wasn't just "holding the ball up in excitement a few yards before crossing the goal line".  If he had just done that, I don't think you would have seen a penalty at all.  Instead, he slowed down and pointed the ball back at the QB who was chasing after him, obviously directly taunting an opponent while the play was still going on, which I think is worse than "pre-meditated touchdown dances" (which yes, are also very annoying).

EDIT: I see you mention in a later post that it is different if the player taunts the defender by pointing at him, which is exactly what the kid did.  Even the Chicago fans were yelling at the kid and not the refs after the penalty was called.  Especially with the emphasis the officials will naturally be placing on the new rule, this had to be a golden opportunity for the ref to "try out" the new penalty, and just a bonehead move by a kid who will hopefully learn a little humility out of the whole ordeal.

That is how I saw the play....Chicago LB pointed the ball directly at the QB trying to chase him down....at the 5 yd line....pretty obvious call on him....hard lesson learned

What happened to the kid from Chicago made me think back to the old saying... "act like you have been there before"....run the ball across the goal line, set it down or hand it to the ref and celebrate on the way back to the sideline...probably both teams learned that lesson today and one freshman LB knows it cost his team the game.

Quote from: smedindy on October 26, 2011, 07:30:16 PM

Quote from: Case04 on October 26, 2011, 02:21:08 PM

Quote from: bashbrother on October 26, 2011, 11:41:12 AM

Quote from: smedindy on October 26, 2011, 10:35:12 AM
Oberin (1-2, 2-5) @ Denison (2-2, 3-5). This is a quite intriguing matchup. The Yeomen fight valiantly with a limited roster, and play to the whistle and the final gun every game. Denison could easily be 3-1 in the conference and 5-3 overall. It wouldn't surprise me to see an Oberlin win, as the Big Red needs to learn how to play for 60 minutes.

And Down the stretch they come -  Oberlin is a strange team this year.   They have scored 56% of their points in the 2nd half.  (which isn't all that surprising)  But when you look at their 4th quarter scoring.....  39% of their points this season have come in the 4th.   They have also outscored their opponents 62-41 in the 4th qtr.    This goes against the grain of what would be expected of a team with a very thin roster.  One would think that at least in the 4th, the lack of depth would hurt them.    To me,  this is a great sign of strength within the program and speaks to solid coaching and players desire to win.   Now they just need to figure out the 1st & 2nd qtrs.

Lack of depth could mean that Oberlin is scoring with their 1st team O against 3rd or even 4th team players on D in those 4th quarters...only a possibility...

No, they've been in most games even before the end. No time to clear the bench.


Fair enough, I was only able to watch Oberlin the one game.

Quote from: bashbrother on October 26, 2011, 11:41:12 AM

Quote from: smedindy on October 26, 2011, 10:35:12 AM
Oberin (1-2, 2-5) @ Denison (2-2, 3-5). This is a quite intriguing matchup. The Yeomen fight valiantly with a limited roster, and play to the whistle and the final gun every game. Denison could easily be 3-1 in the conference and 5-3 overall. It wouldn't surprise me to see an Oberlin win, as the Big Red needs to learn how to play for 60 minutes.

And Down the stretch they come -  Oberlin is a strange team this year.   They have scored 56% of their points in the 2nd half.  (which isn't all that surprising)  But when you look at their 4th quarter scoring.....  39% of their points this season have come in the 4th.   They have also outscored their opponents 62-41 in the 4th qtr.    This goes against the grain of what would be expected of a team with a very thin roster.  One would think that at least in the 4th, the lack of depth would hurt them.    To me,  this is a great sign of strength within the program and speaks to solid coaching and players desire to win.   Now they just need to figure out the 1st & 2nd qtrs.

Lack of depth could mean that Oberlin is scoring with their 1st team O against 3rd or even 4th team players on D in those 4th quarters...only a possibility...

Quote from: ADL70 on October 24, 2011, 10:01:08 PM
With Saturday's win the Spartans have had six concecutive non-losing seasons for the first time in program history and five consecutive winning seasons for the second time.

Great to see the Vasil make the game winning FG.  With his early struggles I haven't heard any mention of the fact that something (injury/illness?) kept him out of the pre-season scrimmage.  Both holder and LS have been changed in the course of the season.  In the last three games he has been 12/13 PAT and 5/6 FG.

Guess we got the answer to the faceguarding question.  Metlsitz has passed Brizzolara to lead the UAA in both catches and yards per game.

Curiously the first five and last five CWRU-Wooster games were won by the Spartans.  In between they were 1-13.

On a personal note, my participation on these boards havde reached biblical proportions.  I'm advised I have been logged on for 40 days.

I can only assume that the PI call on Sat. was because of contact while the ball was in the air, and not being able to see a replay of the Allegheny non-calls where I guess no contact was made...could be a very entertaining next 3 weeks...Case cannot come out flat again

Case did come out very flat on both sides of the ball vs. Wooster. Combined with a fired up Wooster team made for some tense moments. But a win is a win as they say. Woosters fumble in OT was not their biggest mistake of the game. Wooster committed 4 personal fouls during Case's 2nd drive of the 2nd half which led to a Case TD. I know Case feels fortunate to play as they did and still earn a win. Now comes the UAA season....not going to be easy at all. 

Quote from: wally_wabash on October 04, 2011, 12:13:23 AM

Quote from: Case04 on October 03, 2011, 10:06:39 PM
Not having the benefit of replay....I was interested in the two throws to the end zone...both times it looked like the defender never looked for the ball...just threw their arms up to the recievers face....or is that just a NFL rule about face guarding??

I don't believe the NFL or the NCAA have a rule against face guarding.  Pass interference requires contact of some sort to be made.  Face guarding certainly increases the likelihood that contact between the defense and the receiver is not timed properly, but face guarding all by itself is not a foul.

Thank you for the clearing that up for me....guess I'm living in the past about that situation.

Not having the benefit of replay....I was interested in the two throws to the end zone...both times it looked like the defender never looked for the ball...just threw their arms up to the recievers face....or is that just a NFL rule about face guarding??

I'm trying to get a copy of the Case/Allegheny game, looked like a couple of questionable no-calls by the ref's, thats why I would like to view it....that being said, I guess a win is a win. Game should have never got to the point it did. Combination of some droppped passes to RB's along with some misfires to open receivers really hurt. Between the 20's was great, inside the 20 was a different story. I will guess 5 or 6 times inside the 20 with a field goal and the last TD to show for it. Hats off to the defense (AGAIN) they really only gave up the one long pass play, after a personal foul. O-line has to figure out a way to step it up (a couple of baby steps would go a long way). As far as the kicking game.....I'll just say go for it on 4th down (if too close to punt) and go for 2 after a TD.

We will see how things pan out....could be an interesting year with the Spartans somewhat under the radar. This transfer QB could make a heck of a difference along with avoiding the key injuries.

" Mount Union is still the program you would make a blue print of and hand out to every other DIII team and tell them to follow it if they want to have success and sustain it"


Most D3 schools do not have D1 transfers attending on a "Leadership" scholarship...it is a successful program but to compare it to the majority of D3 colleges is like comparing Ohio State's and Akron's programs. Just the way I see it.

Hammer...Hammer...

NO. High pass...receiver reached up DB hit him in chest area after Wooster touched ball.....maybe a little too much ESPN/NFL viewing by offical for that to be called.

Quote from: ADL70 on November 22, 2009, 10:18:56 AM
There was a play where one of the DE-s surrender contain and the Trine QB rolled out for about 10 yds.  The coaches pulled him out for the next couple of plays.

I know that a number of players on D have being playing hurt when they weren't sitting out.  I wonder if there is thinking to move Watson to LB with the loss of Brown and the elder Sasala.  The linemen all return, but there will be five among the linebackers/secondary to replace.

I do remember that particular play, but there was numerous losses of containment all first half. I'm just wondering if now might be the time to revamp the defensive scheme to one that fits to the personnel instead of making the personnel fit the scheme. Just a thought.

Quote from: adidas28 on November 22, 2009, 08:38:29 AM
Way to go Thunder!      Case CLOSED!

Case student section handed out shirts that said "Try again Trine", and the players had messages shaved into the top of their heads, and #36 was more worried about mocking the Trine fans afterthe 14 - 0lead than the fact that there was still a lot of football left to play. It must be that the scouting report that case had on Trine didn't say anything about the Trine team never quitting, and always making the correct adjustments in the second half. Oh yeah, I didn't see anyone wearing those stupid shirts on the way out either.

Seems like you were more interested in the student section than the game also. If the game was at Trine I'm sure the student section would have been totally different.

Anyways, good luck next week. The better team did win on Saturday.