Quote from: jdubyadubya on February 10, 2011, 09:05:39 AM
Shades of the Michigan Fab 5 team calling a TO when you don't have one! Please, somebody who was there describe the last 7 seconds. The broadcast didn't do it justice. I'd like to hear from someone who was actually in the Batten Center. Thanks.

There were a few confusing points, jww... one - why a timeout was called when they were out was baffling enough.  two - there had been an inadvertent whistle blown just a little earlier so that had people on edge.  three - the clock was stopped at 1.2 but was reset with little warning to 2.0 after the technical.  and four - the point of continuation rule with a coach technical is still a pretty new phenomenon that you just don't see often in basketball.  To my knowledge, college is the only scholastic level that does it.

I'm half-n-half with regard to the 7th TO R-MC called with two seconds to go last night.  On one hand, Davis clearly knew the point of continuation rule when it comes to him getting a technical for call a TO he didn't have.  And, yes, it did allow the Jackets to run their in-bounds play.  On the other hand, they had to still go 94' with two seconds remaining (essentially a catch-n-shoot situation) and against a 3-point lead as opposed to a 1-point lead.  So, not only are you taking away a chance to win the game in regulation by putting your opponent on the free throw line, but you're also asking your team, who has made 1-for-11 from the outside up to that point, to try and knock down a three to tie it?  I just dunno if most coaches would've taken a similar approach in that instance - especially since Giggetts did a good job getting the ball to the outlet.

Still, it was a great game for the conference and D3 basketball.  Two teams who really play fundamentally sound man-to-man defense in their own ways - no easy points except at the line.  R-MC defends the half-court offense in a man-to-man as well as anyone in the country (they did a heck of a job pinning down Woodmore for most of the night - he had no room to shoot), and clearly their goal was to extend each possession and shorten the game, which is fine and dandy on most nights.  Problem is, they didn't shoot as well as usual because Macedo also coaches up his team defensively very well in a man-to-man, especially at the perimeter.  Plus, VWC did a tremendous job of protecting the basketball on offense for much of the second half, shooting the ball better and, more importantly, not committing a turnover the final 16+ minutes of the game. 

Postponing VWC/EMU to Feb 14 is a huge break for both teams.  VWC doesn't miss a bunch of class time by getting snowed in Harrisonburg, playing the game, then having to turn right back around and going to Lexington for their game Saturday at W&L. 

On the other hand, EMU doesn't have to face the possibility of playing its way out of Pool C bid contention in January with a fifth conference loss if they had fallen to VWC last night.  This isn't a knock on their upcoming opponents, but now EMU has a chance to pick up some momentum in its upcoming schedule (@ Noke, @ LC, Randolph, at BC, E&H) heading into the 2/14 make-up with the Marlins that they might've lost otherwise as it seems they aren't as sharp right now.

not necessarily... have you seen a game at Pomoco Stadium?  Pretty nice facility they have and CNU has a nice following of fans.  Plus, football's pretty big in the Hampton Roads area... It's not outside the realm of possibility for folks to pay that amount to see them play.

That's the thing, deanslist.  It is because the NCAA profits as much as it does with their D1 mbb tv contract that they don't have to stick it to lower division fans come tourney time.  The ODAC doesn't draw anywhere near the cashflow as the NCAA, but as I mentioned, at least your money is primarily going to charitable causes.

We saw some great basketball this* year

Quote from: therock on March 03, 2010, 02:59:55 PM

Quote from: deanslist on March 03, 2010, 01:02:15 PM
Tickets for the NCAA Tournament at EMU and Guilford are cheaper than the ODAC Tournament. Just thought that was interesting.

NCAA sets the ticket prices for any NCAA Tournament game in any sport, plus the ODAC has to pay to cover the costs of everyone who works the event and for facility rent, so of course their ticket prices are going to be more. Those are not issues one would have at their own on-campus facility.

True... then again, we're talking about $10 a session which equates to $5 per game - a pretty darn good deal if you ask me.  We saw some great basketball thsi year.  And most of the revenue generated by the ODAC tournament goes to local charities in the Roanoke Valley once costs have been covered which usually is a pretty significant figure.  High school sporting events sometimes cost more in the postseason than that. 

Besides, would your teams get treated as well if the tournament was at home sites?  I'd think not... Salem and the Rotary Club really do take care of the ODAC teams well.  There are some D1 conferences whose tourneys pale in comparison to the ODAC Basketball Tournament.

Had a great time in Salem at the Tournament... and it's AWESOME the ODAC has four teams dancin'.  Also, congrats to Roanoke women for getting a much-deserved Pool C bid!

Time to do work, fellas... need to further validate the reward we've been given for a great season in the ODAC.

Here's my picks for All-ODAC as of now.  I'll pick it just like the ODAC coaches will at the end of this weekend, with six on each team (I also added a 3rd team because this league has some real talented players) followed by my 3 person rankings for POY and COY.  The only one I will shorten will be my top 3 for FOY.  Lots of tough picks for the coaches to make:

First-Team
G - D. Trawick, BC
G - S. Fields, VWC
G - C. Henson, GC
G - G. Johnson, EMU
F - T. Phillips, EMU
C - T. Sanborn, GC

Second-Team
G - T. King, H-SC
G - S. Echols, LC
F - DJ Hinson, EMU
F - D. Vaughn, VWC
F - B. Goetsch, W&L
F - D. Jones, R-MC

Third-Team (hon. mention?)
G - R. Bonner, GC
G - JD Dyson, E&H
G - P. Walker, Roanoke
F - H. George, H-SC
F - Zac White, W&L
C - Brandon Braxton, R-MC

POY
1.  Todd Phillips (EMU) - the guy is a gamer... just shows up big whenever the stakes are high.  Has it all - shooting, rebounding, quick hands, athleticism.  Phillips earned this one...
2.  Tyler Sanborn (GC) - a VERY close second... has vastly improved in his time at Guilford.  Hard to resist 20 pts and 14 boards a game.
3 (tie).  Dominic Trawick (BC) & Stephen Fields (VWC) - Trawick can light it up on any given night... big reason why Bridgewater will be a tough out in the tournament.  Fields is a consistent leader for the Marlins all over the floor.  His game has elevated up a notch this year.

FOY
1.  Harrison George (H-SC) - impressive athletic build, really cleans up in the paint nicely.  Hope he stays at H-SC for four years... could be a great get for the Tigers in the long term.
2.  Colton Hunt (RAND) - Leads the team in scoring (12.2) and added nearly six boards a game.  Great get for Nunley and the Cats.
3.  Chris Astorga (VWC) - Has done a great job for the Marlins, first off the bench and now as a starter.

COY
1.  Kirby Dean (EMU) - It's a crock if he doesn't get this award... incredible job building his program to where it is today.  The pieces and the guard play is in place for them to make a run this year.
2.  Dave Macedo (VWC) - Second straight year the Marlins have had double-digit newcomers, and he quickly turned them into ODAC contenders.
3 (tie).  Nathan Davis (R-MC) & Tom Palumbo (GC) - Davis for getting the Jackets up to #1 in his first season and really making the ODAC look good early on.  Palumbo for consistency again... his Quakers continue to turn heads down in Carolina and are the most balanced threat in the league IMO.

Last year, #7 met #8 in the ODAC Tournament final... while that's highly unlikely to happen, it would not surprise me at all if a team seeded 5-7 makes it to this year's championship game.  H-SC, W&L, and BC can beat anyone in the Conference on any given day.

As for the big night in the ODAC that was Wednesday:

-  Tigers with the huge win at Randolph-Macon.  I think we're starting to see the Hampden-Sydney of old reappear on the ODAC map.  While they lose King to graduation, they have many pieces coming back and, if Vick can build upon the strong recruiting classes he has already brought in, the Tigers may be back in the thick of things real soon.  As for R-MC, I think that loss will be a killer for their Pool C hopes... Jackets will probably need to get in via an AQ.  Good news for the rest of us in the league is that we may be headed for a third meeting between the two rivals in the quarterfinal round which would be one heck of a game in Salem.
-  Won't speak too soon though on that matchup just yet though... W&L looks dangerous too and could trip up the Royals this weekend.  Opened the game tonight with a 22-3 run over Roanoke in just under 10 minutes to cruise to their 16th win of the season.  It's been a rough year for Page Moir's bunch.
-  EMU winning games despite poor shooting from the outside spells doom for the rest of the league come next week.  First the 20 point drubbing of VWC and now a come-from-behind win over Bridgewater.  Question for those at the game... how well did EMU function offensively without Twine in the lineup?
-  Not surprised by the Guilford/E&H result... glad the Quakers took care of business without losing any key players to injury.
-  Congrats to Lynchburg for locking up a home game in the ODAC first round by beating Randolph 59-52.  That assures the Hornets at least the 8th seed with one game to go (@ Bridgewater Saturday).  Bad news for LC is that they'll probably see their new cross-town rivals next week in the first round.

Finally, I think we can start projecting the All-ODAC teams... I'd imagine one more game won't make too much difference in the minds of those who will be picking the team.  Any thoughts?

seems like you guys have gotten some much-deserved press in Greensboro... It isn't easy to get a word in down in NC with all the hoops goin on but it seems like the word's getting out about those Quakers.

Quote from: donho on February 16, 2010, 04:40:22 PM
bigrips77, with even being in the middle of the disruptive fans from vwc you had me on your side with your post until you pulled the "kick em while their down" Give me a break.vwc lost two games in a row and we are to feel sorry for them. I think not! They are the last team I would want representing the ODAC, because they have no class !!

donho:  For one thing, I wasn't in the middle of the "disruption" but was at the game.  Secondly, I didn't say anything about you or anyone having to feel sorry for VWC.  I was merely pointing out a textbook "pot/kettle" scenario provided by yj424 that usually becomes the case when one challenges the 'class' or lack thereof of a team and/or its fans.  Why couldn't this guy have brought it up after their first meeting in Ashland or the day after R-MC beat them at Batten?  I'm not saying the criticism was or wasn't justified... that's for y'all to decide. 

Furthermore, saying a team or its fans have "no class" is just a stretch and is hypocritical.  I've been around the ODAC both regular season and postseason, and just about every team in the conference has been guilty of unsportsmanlike actions from time to time, not just VWC.  To put it all on VWC because they carry themsleves differently from other ODAC teams or because they are so set apart from the rest of the league geographically or whatever is just ridiculous. 

The one thing I've enjoyed about this board is that the focus is primarily on basketball and many of the folks who contribute do so in a civil manner... why not keep it that way and save the pissing contests.

As for EMU, another great win by the Royals last night.  Really sorry to hear about Twine getting injured.  If it's as serious as people have said, that could be devastating to EMU even though they've gone 4-0 against the best in the conference.  He doesn't light up a scoreboard every night but brings plenty of intangibles to the game for the Royals.  To paraphrase a line from Kirby Dean's preseason ODAC interview, Twine is the glue that holds that team together.  Here's hoping they don't fall flat this week and in the quarterfinal round of the tournament... would hate to see the Royals not make the dance.

As for the Marlins, that puts them 2-4 against the three other ranked teams in the conference.  Good news if you're VWC is that, as of now, you don't have a 'bad' loss in your arsenal.  You took care of business in the games you were 'supposed' to win.  That said, I think we're starting to see how key a loss Quantrell Simmons was to their lineup in terms of post play.

I think Guilford is into the NCAA tournament, provided they take care of business this week.  Tough win at W&L last night - I've got a feeling the Gennies are going to be the dark horse in the ODAC tournament again.

R-MC with another solid victory at home over Lynchburg, setting up pt.2 with H-SC Wednesday night.  Tigers have a chance to play NCAA spoiler for both R-MC and VWC this week as the Marlins go to Fleet on Saturday.  A loss by either team to H-SC means they would have to make it to the ODAC final to make it in.  Should the Marlins and Jackets beat the Tigers, I think they would get bids as long as they make it to at least the ODAC semis.

Quote from: yj424 on February 15, 2010, 11:29:54 PM
Aaaaahh. VW lost again?  I am wondering if any VW fans made the trek to Harrisonburg? Did the classless VW fans who came over to the Randolph Macon side last Saturday, only to antagonize us, make the trip? I'm sure there are a few(very few) resectable folks rooting for vw. But overall vw fans have no class. I'm sure your president(and i use that term loosely) is quite proud. If you are being leaded by a punk, what else shoud we expect?

What are you... 12?  And save the "class" talk because all fans are guilty of losing their cool from time to time...  Am I condoning actions by a few bad apples?  Not in the least.  I was at that game you speak of - great basketball game between two solid programs, and yes there were some people who definitely acted a fool.  You can't pin that on the group as a whole though.

Then again - I find it interesting you bring this up after the Marlins lose big on the road at EMU, the same place you got stomped a month ago.  Kick 'em when they're down?  Now that's "classy."

tonight's winner in Harrisonburg almost assures itself a bid to the dance.  The loser will probably still get in but can't slip over the final week or early in the ODAC tourney.  If you're Guilford or R-MC, I would imagine you're pulling for VWC to win today...

As for who is the team to beat, I still think it's Guilford.  EMU has the ability to score a ton of points and have done so in big games... that said, I think Guilford's approach offensively is more "fail-safe" than EMU.  If the Quakers aren't hitting it from three, they've got Sanborn inside and guys who can get to the hole.  Not to say EMU can't do this, just not as effectively.  Their M.O. is more toward shooting from anywhere.  R-MC is a year away from really being dangerous, while VWC is tough in that they've been pretty effective in close games, and get much of their points off their defense.